This whole discussion about Mary being the Ark… is… mostly irrelevant, honestly.
I agree with the basics of what you’ve posted here, and if you had posted it originally, I would not have stated that you didn’t understand typology. It is not “pure poetic license,” but you are correct in stating that it is not doctrine, either. Augustine looked at this methodology as more than a comparison or allegory. He looked at it as a means of revelation. A real connection between the old covenant and the new. This doesn’t mean that every comparison is literal and matches up and constitutes doctrine. But it does mean that it’s in there for a reason. It’s not something that’s akin to revisionist history, as “pure poetic license” implies. Unless you mean that the authors of the new testament were taking poetic license. I would say it’s not the reader who does so. It’s a way of telling a story. The gospels use much reference to old testament law and prophets.Hello, You don’t know me.
I understand with typology well enough, I may have forgotten already more than you are still trying to learn.
In fact most typology can be understood as poetic license, that’s not a bad thing. The early Christians resorted to this a great deal, both the orthodox and the heretics.
Sometimes it is overdone by the overenthusiastic.
I happen to like the comparison of the Theotokos to the Ark of the Covenant, but it does not constitute doctrine. It is just a nice unprovable comparison, like an allegory, which can be used as an effective teaching tool.
You have to stay after class…
Agreed. This should not shake anyone’s faith. It’s not as if the ark of the new covenant supposedly replaced the ark of the old covenant.
lol, thanks. I was really happy when it showed up on page 2. Couldn’t have timed it better if I had tried.(on that note, SonofMonica: I completely laughed out loud when I loaded page 2 and saw that picture)
Hmm, well I suspect a great number of them are tapping their toes right now, fully expecting the Holy Father B16 to start a one world government tomorrow…
Wow… this is of huge personal significance to me.
Amen, Sister, and thank you for sharing that! May God always bless you with His Joy.
Well, in a way you still might say that it did… insofar as the New Covenant replaced [fulfilled] the Old Covenant, the New Ark replaced the Old Ark in some sense. So in a way Mary really is the Ark of the Covenant now… but that’s definitely speaking from a more theological/anagogical perspective, so it’s not exactly relevant when we’re talking about the golden Ark that Moses gave to the Israelites.
Well yeah, but the “replacement” doesn’t imply that the old Ark went away or ceased to exist. It’s the same as when one President “replaces” another. The new one’s got the job of “being” President now.Well, in a way you still might say that it did… insofar as the New Covenant replaced [fulfilled] the Old Covenant, the New Ark replaced the Old Ark in some sense. So in a way Mary really is the Ark of the Covenant now… but that’s definitely speaking from a more theological/anagogical perspective, so it’s not exactly relevant when we’re talking about the golden Ark that Moses gave to the Israelites.
There’s no issue here at all, the ethopians believe the Ark, held not coincidently in a church dedicated to Our lady Mary of Zion, is a Prototype of Mary. They treat the ark as if it IS Mary, who they see it as now representing.
actually it is relevant, see previous post.Well, in a way you still might say that it did… insofar as the New Covenant replaced [fulfilled] the Old Covenant, the New Ark replaced the Old Ark in some sense. So in a way Mary really is the Ark of the Covenant now… but that’s definitely speaking from a more theological/anagogical perspective, so it’s not exactly relevant when we’re talking about the golden Ark that Moses gave to the Israelites.
Fair enough, fair enough.
I just just felt like the whole thread instantly derailed somewhat, completely stepping around the content of news article to begin a separate side argument that didn’t need to be happening (or could have been resolved immediately).
ditto!(on that note, SonofMonica: I completely laughed out loud when I loaded page 2 and saw that picture)
along with:Amen to that brother!However, I would not be the first one to touch it.
do you have a link to such a story?I just remembered something.
This same story was reported on LAST YEAR.
And it didn’t mount to anything!
Well, maybe this year is different. Who knows.
Anyway, I don’t care if the EOC reveals an ark. It won’t change anything. At the very least, people will say there are dozens of copies and fakes in the world.
hmm… well she’s the Ark of the New Covenant… the OP is talking about the physical Ark of the Old Covenant…
Pretty much everything in the Old points to the New. This is a relevant topic to bring up what the Ark of the Covenant was really about. Thanks for your comment anyways friend.
The golden-box Ark of the Covenant built by Moses was the Ark of the Old Covenant.
Mary, the mother of Our Lord, (and referenced in Revelation) was the Ark of the New Covenant.
This news article is talking about the Ark of the Old Covenant… as in, the one from Indiana Jones.
(on that note, SonofMonica: I completely laughed out loud when I loaded page 2 and saw that picture)
keep it upNo, I don’t. But now I’m wondering if what I had was a deja-vu moment.
you can call it whatever you want, but in reality its the Holy Spirit speaking about the Blessed Virgin this way probably trying to tell us something about Her grand glory.
The Ecumenical Councils fossilized the faith? Can you explain your statement a bit more?