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I see that you all like to bash each other and I would like to point out this little article I wrote in my blog. It says that we are who we are and God called us each to be a different kind of Catholic. Please read it and read the comments at the bottom.

teencatholic.blogspot.com/2008/11/uh-duh.html
 
I think you have proposed a very thoughtful perspective and thank you for it. . .

I would further suggest that, not only does God call us each to be a particular “type” of Catholic, he ofttimes calls us to be a different type at different times in our life. I am not the same person, the same disciple, the same Catholic, that I was at other times in my journey.

God, however, has remained constant and faithful . . . I pray someday He will say the same of me.

Bless you . . .
 
I love the Church and I love ALL her authorized rites, though obviously I have a deep devotion to the various recensions of the Byzantine.
 
I see that you all like to bash each other and I would like to point out this little article I wrote in my blog. It says that we are who we are and God called us each to be a different kind of Catholic. Please read it and read the comments at the bottom.

teencatholic.blogspot.com/2008/11/uh-duh.html
Interesting blog. Interesting comments,

Although though you apparently ferverenty believe what you wrote, that in and of itself doesn’t make it a fact. Even if you posted it on a blog.:eek: Envisioning God as a mother or best friend or in any way floats your boat as you said, actually detracts from what He really is, no matter how pleasing it may be to perceive Him differently.

You state unequivcally that God does not judge you. My young friend, I don’t know where you got that idea but make no mistake about it, God WILL JUDGE YOU

Not once but twice as a matter of fact. It is sad that you appear not to know this. I am not surprised though as in the majority of CCD programs that I know of instruction in the basics is sadly lacking and generally ignored in the general orgy of love that is omnipresent. As my old CCD director used to say,“Don’t bore them with dogma, cover them with love”.
 
Envisioning God as a mother or best friend or in any way floats your boat as you said, actually detracts from what He really is, no matter how pleasing it may be to perceive Him differently.
Following up on this, our knowledge and understanding does not, can not come from ourselves as human beings. God is above all things transcendent, meaning we can not even fathom a smidgeon of who He is. All we know of God, comes from God alone, as He has chose to reveal Himself. He is Father. He is Creator, etc. We must never delve into simplification of the One, Holy Almighty. On the other hand, we must also realize that all we know of God is still insignificant to what we will know some day, and even that pales in comparison to who God is.
 
Interesting thoughts from my young friend “down the road” from me and interesting thoughts from my fellow ex-New Orleanian, Palmas. And interesting thoughts from my friend pnewton over in Texas.

On the whole, my thoughts tend to echo Palmas’ - which may have to do with we are of an age and that was how we were brought up. The difference between a Requiem Mass and a Mass of Christian Burial…the difference between black and white vestments.

Pnewton, no we cannot know the mind of God or His Mercy. Me? I’m gonna’ go with the way I was raised. For me, the Rex tremendae of the Requiem Mass I knew as a child is a very real presence.

Here’s a translation of the Requiem Mass I knew as a child. If the just ones need mercy, what shall a wretch like me say?

stmatthews.com/choir/mozartsrequiem.htm

Quid sum miser tunc dicturus?
quem patronum rogaturus,
cum vix justus sit securus?

What shall a wretch like me say?
Who shall intercede for me,
when the just ones need mercy?
 
Interesting blog. Interesting comments,

Although though you apparently ferverenty believe what you wrote, that in and of itself doesn’t make it a fact. Even if you posted it on a blog.:eek: Envisioning God as a mother or best friend or in any way floats your boat as you said, actually detracts from what He really is, no matter how pleasing it may be to perceive Him differently.

You state unequivcally that God does not judge you. My young friend, I don’t know where you got that idea but make no mistake about it, God WILL JUDGE YOU

Not once but twice as a matter of fact. It is sad that you appear not to know this. I am not surprised though as in the majority of CCD programs that I know of instruction in the basics is sadly lacking and generally ignored in the general orgy of love that is omnipresent. As my old CCD director used to say,“Don’t bore them with dogma, cover them with love”.
let me elaborate. when we are talking to God in prayer and asking his forgivness, he does not judge us then whereas most people would say something along the lines of, “I can’t believe you did that!” or “That’s wrong and you should be ashamed.”
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Following up on this, our knowledge and understanding does not, can not come from ourselves as human beings. God is above all things transcendent, meaning we can not even fathom a smidgeon of who He is. All we know of God, comes from God alone, as He has chose to reveal Himself. He is Father. He is Creator, etc. We must never delve into simplification of the One, Holy Almighty. On the other hand, we must also realize that all we know of God is still insignificant to what we will know some day, and even that pales in comparison to who God is.
He is everything although some of us enjoy thinking of him as friend or mother or father. God is please with whatever we call him as long as we love him and serve him within the guiedlines of the Church. 👍
 
He is everything although some of us enjoy thinking of him as friend or mother or father. God is please with whatever we call him as long as we love him and serve him within the guiedlines of the Church. 👍
That is an interesting statement. God is pleased with whatever we call him.:ehh: Where did you get that particular revelation? Or is that just an opinion that you have developed? If I am not mistaken, Christ, who is God, called God the Father, Father, not the brother or mother or sister of best friend.

It is hard to believe that you have a closer relationship than did Christ with the Father and that you can take such liberties with His relationship to you and to mankind.
 
That is an interesting statement. God is pleased with whatever we call him.:ehh: Where did you get that particular revelation? Or is that just an opinion that you have developed? If I am not mistaken, Christ, who is God, called God the Father, Father, not the brother or mother or sister of best friend.

It is hard to believe that you have a closer relationship than did Christ with the Father and that you can take such liberties with His relationship to you and to mankind.
The CCC states that God has no sex and therefore can be refered to as a mother although most of the time we refer to him as the father because we say Holy mother church. God is indeed pleased with what we call him if we show him reverence. God is not hung onto laws and rules as humans are. I take no liberites. I only take the ones given to me by God and this is by no means my liberty to warp his relationship with me and mankind. I simply state what the Gospels say.
 
The CCC states that God has no sex
Not so. God has gender in one sense. God took on flesh and became totally man. When he walked this Earth, He was male. His humanity is part of his resurrection. The Bible does not refer to God the Mother, only God the Father. This is the way He revealed Himself to Man.
 
The CCC states that God has no sex and therefore can be refered to as a mother although most of the time we refer to him as the father because we say Holy mother church. God is indeed pleased with what we call him if we show him reverence. God is not hung onto laws and rules as humans are. I take no liberites. I only take the ones given to me by God and this is by no means my liberty to warp his relationship with me and mankind. I simply state what the Gospels say.
I haven’t seen you say much of what the Gospels say, but then again I haven’t read alot of what you write.

Holy Mother Church refers to the fact that the Church is considered to be the Bride of Christ. We don’t call God the Father because the Church is called the Holy Mother Church. God the Father is the first person of the Holy Trinity. Not God the Mother/Father/Brother /Best Friend. God the Father. That is why He is called the Father.

I must have missed where in the CCC it says it is permissible to refer to God as Mother.

As far as rules, God has very strict rules that we as humans must follow, In fact, in all of the covenants God has made with Man there have been rules that men must abide by.

I don’t mean to sound rude, but where exactly did you get these ideas of yours from? They don’t seem to reflect Catholic theology as much as some mismashed understanding of it.:confused:
 
I must have missed where in the CCC it says it is permissible to refer to God as Mother.
Perhaps the seed for the idea came from paragraph 239, and here is a snip from it:
…God’s parental tenderness can also be expressed by the image of motherhood, which emphasizes God’s immanence, the intimacy between Creator and creature…
This makes me think of a hen mothering her chicks or other biblical images like that more than it makes me think of “Mother!” But I also find the paragraph that talks of purifying our minds of personal images when praying the Lord’s Prayer to be interesting. It mentions both maternal and paternal images:
**2779 **Before we make our own this first exclamation of the Lord’s Prayer, we must humbly cleanse our hearts of certain false images drawn “from this world.” *Humility *makes us recognize that “no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him,” that is, “to little children.” The *purification *of our hearts has to do with paternal or maternal images, stemming from our personal and cultural history, and influencing our relationship with God. God our Father transcends the categories of the created world. To impose our own ideas in this area “upon him” would be to fabricate idols to adore or pull down. To pray to the Father is to enter into his mystery as he is and as the Son has revealed him to us.
The expression God the Father had never been revealed to anyone. When Moses himself asked God who he was, he heard another name. The Father’s name has been revealed to us in the Son, for the name “Son” implies the new name “Father.”
The way that God has been revealed by His Son is very important to me.
 
I don’t mean to sound rude, but where exactly did you get these ideas of yours from? They don’t seem to reflect Catholic theology as much as some mismashed understanding of it.:confused:
I read the gospels.
As far as rules, God has very strict rules that we as humans must follow, In fact, in all of the covenants God has made with Man there have been rules that men must abide by.
When Jesus came to Earth he told us that the law was not going to acheieve us heaven. Today the Church is almost like the Jews of old, that cling to their laws. But I must respect the pope and the Chruch beause the pope sits in Peter’s chair and the Church is the bride of christ. Sometimes we go to deep into our rules and we often forget the gospel message that Jesus preached.
 
When Jesus came to Earth he told us that the law was not going to acheieve us heaven. Today the Church is almost like the Jews of old, that cling to their laws. But I must respect the pope and the Chruch beause the pope sits in Peter’s chair and the Church is the bride of christ. Sometimes we go to deep into our rules and we often forget the gospel message that Jesus preached.
You tread on some pretty shaky ground, SHF. It’s not how I was raised and, frankly, borders on protestantism when you say “I read the gospels” (meaning that you can interpret the gospels on your own instead of submitting to the Magesterium). My parents and I submitted to the Magesterium of HMC back in 1967 in obedience. What you take for granted was anything but back in 1967.

Yes, we read the gospels and so did the reformers in the 16th century. Your statement of “I read the gospels”…

I certainly don’t mean to be harsh but what you are saying runs contrary to the way I was raised. Forty years have passed since Vatican II was implemented. What was the Holy Father trying to get across to HMC with his Motu Proprio? Indidvidual interpretation of Scripture? I don’t think so.
 
Ok- Teen Catholic, you are acknowledging that you respect the Church, but not that you follow its teaching. Yes, you are being misunderstood. It is true that we must all have different ways of following God according to our personalities, from the Little Way of St. Therese to martyrdom as a missionary. But you must stay within the teachings of the Church! And I know you mean to. My last bit of advice is to drop the God-as-a-mother argument. Jesus never called Him mother! And He is married to Holy Mother Church. You know how these forums turn argumentative so quickly, and It’s not a good idea to start one here! So- I hope I helped, a little!
 
I read the gospels.

When Jesus came to Earth he told us that the law was not going to acheieve us heaven. Today the Church is almost like the Jews of old, that cling to their laws. But I must respect the pope and the Chruch beause the pope sits in Peter’s chair and the Church is the bride of christ. Sometimes we go to deep into our rules and we often forget the gospel message that Jesus preached.
Actually what you have just said sounds perilously close to what Martin Luther, Huss Wycliff and the others said back in the early days of the Protestant reformation, not to mention what many protestants of today believe. The Catholic Church has never relied on sola scriptura as many of the protestants do and I am somewhat concerned that you seem to be on that track.

You actually have to do just a bit more than merely respect the Pope and the Church. I thought that you would have learned that by now.
 
Actually what you have just said sounds perilously close to what Martin Luther, Huss Wycliff and the others said back in the early days of the Protestant reformation, not to mention what many protestants of today believe. The Catholic Church has never relied on sola scriptura as many of the protestants do and I am somewhat concerned that you seem to be on that track.

You actually have to do just a bit more than merely respect the Pope and the Church. I thought that you would have learned that by now.
Martin Luther had many fine points that were mostly true. He never intended to seperate from the church. i have to post more later I am at school.
 
Actually what you have just said sounds perilously close to what Martin Luther, Huss Wycliff and the others said back in the early days of the Protestant reformation, not to mention what many protestants of today believe. The Catholic Church has never relied on sola scriptura as many of the protestants do and I am somewhat concerned that you seem to be on that track.

You actually have to do just a bit more than merely respect the Pope and the Church. I thought that you would have learned that by now.
this is my last post on CAF
these people are to close minded
 
I see that you all like to bash each other and I would like to point out this little article I wrote in my blog. It says that we are who we are and God called us each to be a different kind of Catholic. Please read it and read the comments at the bottom.

teencatholic.blogspot.com/2008/11/uh-duh.html
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Dear teenage friend of Christ.

As you requested, I viewed your blog. Nicely done:)

However not all of us “bash each other,” and most of the disputes
are between the RCC teachings, vrs. The Easter Church’s and or one of the numerous Protestant denominations.

Still, “alway’s with Love” is very mature advice, and I too have failed a time or two (in the heat of battle).

Thank you and God bless,
PJM m.c.
 
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