Articles on "Separated Brethren"

[eightydeuce82]

Bballer32;12930798:

Riser;12928359:

My Bible tells me what I am to do. I cannot find in it that I must be a member of the Catholic faith in order to obtain salvation.

Aren’t the Books in the Bible inspired by the Holy Spirit? They were put together, as you all have said, by the Catholic Church, so wouldn’t they be important?

All of the Scripture that we have and are considered divinely inspired are important for teaching. Matthew, John, and Paul were Apostles, so we should read and understand what God wants from us, shouldn’t we? I am still having a hard time accepting that the Traditions of the CC did not develop over the years with the influence of man.

Not trying to be disrespectful but sharing my concerns.

Thanks, and God bless,

Rita

Of course the scriptures are inspired the infallible Catholic church says so…so they Are!

If you are having trouble accepting the CC traditions that means you have trouble accepting the bible?

 

[eightydeuce82]

Also you might want to tell us which traditions developed from men? I’m not aware of any?

 

[spedteacherita]

spedteacherita;12931046:

Bballer32;12930798:

Of course the scriptures are inspired the infallible Catholic church says so…so they Are!

If you are having trouble accepting the CC traditions that means you have trouble accepting the bible?

Ummm, no.

I just don’t see how traditions of man can be comparable to Holy Scripture.

It took the Reformation for the CC to see the problems and corruption that had been happening at the time. When man is involved corruption is inevitable because of our sinful natures. By going back to the Scriptures both Old and New we go back to what God/Jesus intended originally.

 

[dronald]

If it is found to be a marriage then you are stuck forever (or until that person dies)

What I mean is, if someone marries someone and divorces her and it was a legitimate marriage; then moves on to marry another and converts to Catholicism after the 2nd marriage, what happens?

 

[Bballer32]

Ummm, no.

I just don’t see how traditions of man can be comparable to Holy Scripture.

The traditions of man decided what belonged in Holy Scripture. The traditions of man decided what was inspired.

 

[eightydeuce82]

eightydeuce82;12931054:

spedteacherita;12931046:

Ummm, no.

I just don’t see how traditions of man can be comparable to Holy Scripture.

It took the Reformation for the CC to see the problems and corruption that had been happening at the time. When man is involved corruption is inevitable because of our sinful natures. By going back to the Scriptures both Old and New we go back to what God/Jesus intended originally.

EXACTLY Holy Scripture IS a tradition of the CC!

 

[eightydeuce82]

What I mean is, if someone marries someone and divorces her and it was a legitimate marriage; then moves on to marry another and converts to Catholicism after the 2nd marriage, what happens?

They can apply for an annulment of the first marriage. Converting to Catholic holds no bearing. We recognize marriages not in the church.

If they were married…the divorced then married again and convert they are still considered married to the first person and would require an annulment before they could be accepted fully. If no annulment is given then you can still convert but you can not receive the Holy Eucharist as you are living perpetually in a state of sin.

 

[eightydeuce82]

eightydeuce82;12931054:

spedteacherita;12931046:

Ummm, no.

I just don’t see how traditions of man can be comparable to Holy Scripture.

It took the Reformation for the CC to see the problems and corruption that had been happening at the time. When man is involved corruption is inevitable because of our sinful natures. By going back to the Scriptures both Old and New we go back to what God/Jesus intended originally.

Also let me point this out to you as you say “going back” to scripture…Who’s interpretation of what God says in scripture?

That’s the point here you have your interpretation and the other thousands of denominations may have a different opinion…who is right?

Who arbitrates?

Get the drift…apostolic succession and authority are important

its how the early Christians combated heresy and the twisting of scripture

 

[dronald]

They can apply for an annulment of the first marriage. Converting to Catholic holds no bearing. We recognize marriages not in the church.

If they were married…the divorced then married again and convert they are still considered married to the first person and would require an annulment before they could be accepted fully. If no annulment is given then you can still convert but you can not receive the Holy Eucharist as you are living perpetually in a state of sin.

Can one obtain an annulment by saying that it’s in the past and you’ve moved far on and want forgiveness?

 

[eightydeuce82]

Can one obtain an annulment by saying that it’s in the past and you’ve moved far on and want forgiveness?

NO

If the marriage was valid then you really aren’t looking for forgiveness especially if you are continuing to live in sin.

 

[eightydeuce82]

Can one obtain an annulment by saying that it’s in the past and you’ve moved far on and want forgiveness?

So let me turn the question around here if you sin and you have every intention of continuing to do that same sin are you really looking for forgiveness no matter how many times you ask God?

Of course the protestant mindset you will say…God forgives every sin perpetually.

A catholic will say you can cut yourself off from that grace especially if you don’t truly repent and start living as you should. (enduring till the end). If you do then you will be forgiven. But not until then.

This free for all that you can accept Christ and commit as many sins as you want and still be “saved” is a modern invention and not the understanding of the Christian world catholic or otherwise for 16 centuries.

 

[7_Sorrows]

And if it’s not then never, correct?

I have a friend whose husband died of cancer. She dated a couple of different guys. Then she married another Catholic who did not have his first marriage annulled. He got the papers, but did not finish them to turn them into a tribunal. So no annulment. The priest told them after counseling it was ok if they got married civilly. They had been living together and the priest allows them to take communion. It is up to the priest.

 

[SyroMalankara]

I have a friend whose husband died of cancer. She dated a couple of different guys. Then she married another Catholic who did not have his first marriage annulled. He got the papers, but did not finish them to turn them into a tribunal. So no annulment. The priest told them after counseling it was ok if they got married civilly. They had been living together and the priest allows them to take communion. It is up to the priest.

The priest may know something about their particular situation, or he may be totally wrong. Either way, if other people know, it is cause for scandal and not appropriate.

 

[7_Sorrows]

The priest may know something about their particular situation, or he may be totally wrong. Either way, if other people know, it is cause for scandal and not appropriate.

Well I know that my friend, when she was single, was a eucharistic minister briefly, but someone must have found out she was dating and sexually involved out of marriage and was not allowed to be a eucharistic minister any longer. So I guess that was scandal.

 

[eightydeuce82]

Well I know that my friend, when she was single, was a eucharistic minister briefly, but someone must have found out she was dating and sexually involved out of marriage and was not allowed to be a eucharistic minister any longer. So I guess that was scandal.

You guys mention the Scandal aspect but you leave out the priest really had no authority to give them communion based off of church teaching while they were in sin. Public or private. I’m absolutely baffled that a priest would do that (wait never mind no I’m not)

 

[eightydeuce82]

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_14091994_rec-holy-comm-by-divorced_en.html

Enjoy!

 

[7_Sorrows]

You guys mention the Scandal aspect but you leave out the priest really had no authority to give them communion based off of church teaching while they were in sin. Public or private. I’m absolutely baffled that a priest would do that (wait never mind no I’m not)

I am a convert so I was shocked as well.

 

[dronald]

I didn’t know one could not be forgiven for marrying and divorcing then re-marrying.

So God can’t forgive that sin?

 

[Bballer32]

I didn’t know one could not be forgiven for marrying and divorcing then re-marrying.

So God can’t forgive that sin?

God can forgive the sin yes, but by marrying the couple makes a covenant between them and God. So, when the couple breaks that covenant without any purposeful reason they are actively denying God. So God can only forgive the sins of those who desire the means of repentance (i.e. confession and annulment).

it also comes down to Authority but that continues on in a different thread. The priest asks the couple many questions before being married which concern willingness to marry and so on. So, when the couple makes this agreement with the Church to whom God trusted all power to, they have to follow the guidelines.

 

[eightydeuce82]

I didn’t know one could not be forgiven for marrying and divorcing then re-marrying.

So God can’t forgive that sin?

Is it me or did I expect that comment! Every time that very same thing is said when discussing sin with protestants. YES God can forgive sin all of it but guess what we have free will and we need to cooperate. Remaining in SIN is NOT cooperating. That puts a wrench in everything. I think the above response is more than adequate to address your concern.

Cute thou but you really should change your thinking if you think that kind of reasoning is going to fly with Catholics. We could very well throw it back and say exactly when was your denomination started and when did it start allowing divorce? Of course you could only go back about 100 years so there is that…