Artificial Contraception is not health care

[edwest2]

As someone who worked in a hospital for nearly ten years and studied the issue of what is or is not health care, artificial birth control does not fix or cure anything for the general population.

When the government tells employers and insurance companies that they must offer such devices or other means as part of employee “health care,” they are ignoring the fact that the purpose of ABC and sterilization is to avoid conception or abort the life conceived. Writing in Humanae Vitae (1968), Pope Paul VI recognized that there are some cases that are llicit:

"Lawful Therapeutic Means

“15. On the other hand, the Church does not consider at all illicit the use of those therapeutic means necessary to cure bodily diseases, even if a foreseeable impediment to procreation should result there from—provided such impediment is not directly intended for any motive whatsoever. (19)”

ABC impedes a natural function of the body. Natural Family Planning is licit and relies on self-discipline between a married couple.

For years, I heard about “keeping the government out of my bedroom.” I think the government should not have the ability to tell anyone in a free market system, what insurance they can buy or what it should or should not cover. Many Americans have no health insurance. Where will any President find the money to cover it all?

Peace,
Ed

 

[littlebum2002]

"For years, I heard about “keeping the government out of my bedroom.” ’

I would love to know what side of that argument you are on.

People have argued for YEARS that the government should stay out of the bedroom. Woo is opposing that argument? Catholics. We have asked the government to enter the bedroom and legislate morality for years. Now the tables are turned and we want them out of the bedroom. You can’t have it both ways.

I am a Libertarian. I oppose this government mandate, but I also oppose legislating our moral ideas of family and marriage. I have said for years that, if we ask the government to legislate morality, one day we will be in the minority and someone else’s morality will be forced on us. Now we are, and it is. Enjoy what we asked for. Until American Christians learn to keep their noses out of everyone else’s business, and stop forcing morality on them, we will have the morality of the majority forced on us when we are the minority.

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

I posted this on another thread as well…

Why is it that I have to pay $108 copay for a 90 day supply of my asthma medication…but all women should have free contraception?

 

[edwest2]

"For years, I heard about “keeping the government out of my bedroom.” ’

I would love to know what side of that argument you are on.

People have argued for YEARS that the government should stay out of the bedroom. Woo is opposing that argument? Catholics. We have asked the government to enter the bedroom and legislate morality for years. Now the tables are turned and we want them out of the bedroom. You can’t have it both ways.

I am a Libertarian. I oppose this government mandate, but I also oppose legislating our moral ideas of family and marriage. I have said for years that, if we ask the government to legislate morality, one day we will be in the minority and someone else’s morality will be forced on us. Now we are, and it is. Enjoy what we asked for. Until American Christians learn to keep their noses out of everyone else’s business, and stop forcing morality on them, we will have the morality of the majority forced on us when we are the minority.

On the contrary, immorality has been legislated. A current Supreme Court Justice recently stated that an undefined “We will never go back to [pre Roe v. Wade].”

The law is the law but Catholics, like every American, are entitled to one vote and an assured place for our voice in the Public Square. The government, and the Catholic Church, is not currently forcing anyone to have sex with anyone. However, when Humanae Vitae was published in 1968, Pope Paul VI clearly saw what was coming if Catholics, at the very least, did not follow Church teaching. This has nothing to do with the government imposing morality, but denying Catholics the following:

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

And further, for those who wish to redefine the family: Why are they putting it on the ballot? Why are they involving the government at all?

Peace,
Ed

 

[manualman]

People have argued for YEARS that the government should stay out of the bedroom. Woo is opposing that argument? Catholics. We have asked the government to enter the bedroom and legislate morality for years. Now the tables are turned and we want them out of the bedroom. You can’t have it both ways.

Nonsense, flat out. I can’t think of a single proposed legislation in which catholics have attempted to control people’s bedroom behavior.

• Find me proposed legislation to make contraceptives civilly illegal. There are none.
• Find me a catholic - backed legislation to make fornication, adultery or sodomy a prosecutable offense. There are none.
• Find me ANY catholic backed initiative in which people have sought to make the isolated, consensual activities of two people in a bedroom illegal. There are none.

What there ARE are initiatives to prevent the erosion of civil society.

• Do we object to the erosion of marriage from sacred covenant into a mere financial contract due to the carnage it causes to the children involved? You bet.
• Do we object to the objectification of women in pornography for the way in which it reduces women to things and men to drooling addicts? Yes.
• Do we object to redfining the basic building block of civilization to include and provide benefits to relationships that by their inherent nature are sterile? Yes we do.
• Do we object to redfining the basic building block of civilization to include and provide benefits to polygamous relationships that are inherently exploitive and degrade one sex at the expense of the other? Yes we do.
• Do we object to the killing of innocent human beings for the covenience and lifestyle of stronger human beings (abortion)? Yes we do.
• Do we object to efforts to make broader society pay for the behavior we as catholics find objectionable? Yes we do.

But none of the above amounts to an intrusion into what two individuals do in their bedroom, other than on a moral persuasion basis. So let’s not be having any more of that nonsense.

 

[iloveangels]

I posted this on another thread as well…

Why is it that I have to pay $108 copay for a 90 day supply of my asthma medication…but all women should have free contraception?

Correct. Here’s one that’s even more stunning: Why are antibiotics not free? The poor often have a terrible time paying for anti-biotics even though they are literally life-saving medications.

Birth control and abortion services can only be used by half the population. They’re targeting half the population here. Yet, anti-biotics are potentially necessary for anyone in the population. They dont’ target anyone. So why are they not free instead??

I think that this may end up being a factor in some of the lawsuits that we’re going to see. I haven’t seen any good reason why abortion and birth control should be favored over any other services, given this targeting factor. None.