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AgnosTheist
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im just saying that limiting the number of kids would limit the expansion of oil wells. right?
Artificial Contraception: Why it is very Charitable & Realistic
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AgnosTheist
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sex is part of our physiology, ipods & plasma tvs are not. people can live without ipods, but people cant live without sex.
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Sean_Boyle
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Saving the planet begins with everyone but me seems to be your unwritten theme. Good Luck with that!Thanks for proving my point that large scale deforestation occurs because of food production. Try again.What thread are you viewing! You missed the point.
your rantings prove nothing. Ditto that
Now assume that the small family does without the stuff they don’t need to survive, and only the family of nine with 7 spoiled kids have ipods and plasma tvs. Now which is waistful? This conversation.
How much of the enviroment did you destroy to power a computer in order to type that? How much are you willing to destroy to reply to this one!
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AgnosTheist
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I still cant figure out how you did your math.
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stinkcat_14
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From the table that comes up when you click on my link, you see that the median income for a family of four in California is: $74,801.
Divide that number by 12 and you get $6233 per month.
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stinkcat_14
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Pope John Paul II seemed to get along just fine without sex, so do many others. Having sex is not a necessity.
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Sean_Boyle
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False!
Animals can’t live without sex. Humans, with the God given gift of reason, can live without sex.
You choose the category you fall into for yourself.
Don’t project your opinion on the rest of society.
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gardenswithkids
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Those two answers contradict each other. If humans are part of nature, then what we do with resources is also natural even if it *is *different from how other species use resources. It is natural for beavers to cut wood and build dams, although that too is radically different than how most other species use resources.
It seems you subscribe a little closer to the Judeo-Christian view that humans are somehow different from the other animals and that we have a responsibility to care for the earth. "The Lord God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it and care for it." Genesis 2:15
Okay, so you don’t recognize environmentalism as a religion, but at least you recognized earlier that you do hold some “dogmas”. Do you think you “views” that say a maximum of two children per family should be forced on the rest of us or only the poor?
Moderation would be better so that more humans could survive on the same amount of resources. You want to get rich; many people do. I believe greed is the problem, not “too many humans”.
The poor have little chance of getting materially rich as long as greedy people take up too much of the earth resources and won’t share with them. Many of those same greedy people complain that the poor–who have very little except their children–have “too many children.” If we wiped out greed, I think we could manage the earth’s resources better.
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AgnosTheist
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Priests are folks with talent on sexual inhibitions. thats not like the rest of us. in fact some priests proves to be not so capable at controlling their sexual urges. its hard. very few people can do it.
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stinkcat_14
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Nobody is saying that living a chaste life is easy, but you claimed:
Now you say that it is hard, there is a huge difference between the two.
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AgnosTheist
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Humans, with the God given gift of Sex Drive, would always crave for sex.
Thats why some priests were able to use their ‘gift of Reason’ to personally justify their sexual adventures. The orthodox even allow priests to marry. Sexuality is very difficult to ignore. Its an integral part of life. AMEN!
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AgnosTheist
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when i said ‘people’ i was referring to communities as a whole. when i said ‘hard’ i am referring to the individual.
communities cant stop having sex because for the invdividual abstinence is very hard.
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Sean_Boyle
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Being controlled by a craving is not normal behavior in humans.Humans, with the God given gift of Sex Drive, would always crave for sex.
Thats why some priests were able to use their ‘gift of Reason’ to personally justify their sexual adventures. The orthodox even allow priests to marry. Sexuality is very difficult to ignore. Its an integral part of life. AMEN!
How does this relate to the topic?
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AgnosTheist
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my friend, this NOT about being natural or unnatural. your question was about being different or not. i answered your question, we humans use resources different from animals. i never said that was unnatural.
hey i’m all for democracy. no arm twisting allowed.
unfortunately greed is an inherent human trait. so the more humans the more problems with greed.
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AgnosTheist
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like i said, its a little of both. cravings + free will = high rate of sex.
Its difficult to control sexual urges therefore contraception is a vital element of family planning.
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gardenswithkids
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Well if it’s “natural” for humans to destroy forests and abuse the earth by overusing resources, why are you concerned about stopping it? If humans are the same as animals, why do you want to reduce the human population? I still think secularists environmental philosophies hold some truth that is contained in Catholic theology: humans are set apart from the animals and that we have a responsibility to care for the earth.
Earlier you posted information about Chinese population which you seemed to view favorably. There was a lot more than arm twisting going on to produce that population decline. The Communist Chinese Government enforces their “one-child policy” with forced abortions and forced sterilization sometimes, along with other methods of coersion.
We overcome greed by practicing the opposite virtue–generosity. Children may learn to share when they have someone to share with, like perhaps brothers and sisters. When children see parents sacrificing themselves for the sake of the family, those children may learn *selflessness *by their parents’ example. The faces of poor, starving children can motivate other people to be generous and give to them. If we only had families of one or two children and dramatically reduced the population, how would the few humans that remained learn generosity? The problems of greedy humans destroying the planet and squabbling over resources would likely grow worse, not better.
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Holly3278
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Artificial contraception is none of the above mentioned in the OP. Artificial contraception is selfish and downright evil. If you can’t afford to have more children, use natural family planning.
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AgnosTheist
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Yeah thank God for the natural Withrawal Method. Amen?
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ElizabethAnne
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It is not the natural design for sex. And it’s not a reliable form of birth control, as has already been said on this thread.
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AgnosTheist
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Its natural for us humans to use our brain in order to survive. Sometimes its necessary to destroy forests to survive. And sometimes its necessary to preserve forests for long term survival.
The use of our brain- thats natural. God gave us reason, not religion. Amen!
i know that. you folks are easily distracted. im not promoting their draconian methods. in answer to the question, china merely served as an example of how family planning helped improve the chinese people.
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