Artificial Contraception: Why it is very Charitable & Realistic

[AgnosTheist]

1. Artificial Contraception is charitable in a crowded world because because a reduced family size help conserve resources, which is beneficial to everybody.
2. Artificial Contraception is a charitable option for couples in poverty for the obvious reason that couple would be able to care well for the limited number of children that they can afford to raise.
3. Artificial Contraception is realistic because the world is drowning in human population & humans cant stop having sex.

 

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Same arguments for euthanasia. Right?

 

[Mannyfit75]

1. Artificial Contraception is charitable in a crowded world because because a reduced family size help conserve resources, which is beneficial to everybody.

People who reject the Church’s teaching on contraception, by and large, do so not because they understand and disagree with it, but largely because their commitment to a certain life-style prevents them from giving the Church a fair hearing. Nonetheless, they do offer “reasons” for dismissing Church teaching. They** often accuse the Church of being excessively idealistic, or simply unrealistic, or out of step with the modern world, or lacking compassion for the economic and psychological hardships couples must undergo in having and raising children**.

The Church teaching concerning contraception is not primarily negative, but based on a most positive understanding of marriage, sexuality, and God. Marriage**, in the truest sense, is not an arbitrary arrangement, but an institution established by Christ (Mt. 19: 3 ff.; Mk. 10: 2 ff.**) Marriage, therefore, is divinely instituted. This lofty, exalted understanding of marriage is nowhere better realized than in sexual union where the human act of husband and wife comes into intimate relationship with the creative act of God. Sexual union between husband and wife take place on holy ground, as it were, since it is the place where God’s creation and the married couple’s procreation of new life intersect.

The Catechism states in:

2370 Periodic continence, that is, the methods of birth regulation based on self-observation and the use of infertile periods, is in conformity with the objective criteria of morality.158 These methods respect the bodies of the spouses, encourage tenderness between them, and favor the education of an authentic freedom. In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil:159

Thus the innate language that expresses the total reciprocal self-giving of husband and wife is overlaid, through contraception, by an objectively contradictory language, namely, that of not giving oneself totally to the other. This **leads not only to a positive refusal to be open to life but also to a falsification of the inner truth of conjugal love, which is called upon to give itself in personal totality. . . **. The difference, both anthropological and moral, between contraception and recourse to the rhythm of the cycle . . . involves in the final analysis two irreconcilable concepts of the human person and of human sexuality.160

Pope John Paul II’s Theology of the Body also addresses this:

The body has a “nuptial meaning” because it reveals man and woman’s call to become a gift for one another, a gift fully realized in their “one flesh” union. The body also has a “generative meaning,” which (God willing) brings a “third” into the world through the couple’s communion. In this way, marriage constitutes a “primordial sacrament” understood as a sign that truly communicates the mystery of God’s Trinitarian life and love to husband and wife, and through them to their children, and through the family to the whole world.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Same arguments for euthanasia. Right?

nah. euthanasia is simply helping a person who wishes to die to end his suffering. its charitable too in my opinion.

hey that makes a great new thread! stay tuned…

 

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nah. euthanasia is simply helping a person who wishes to die to end his suffering. its charitable too in my opinion.

hey that makes a great new thread! stay tuned…

That is a funny understanding of charity.

 

[Mannyfit75]

1. Artificial Contraception is a charitable option for couples in poverty for the obvious reason that couple would be able to care well for the limited number of children that they can afford to raise.

Artificial Contraception is less charitable than one can see to think. Since when do couples have problem with affording children. It seem to me that rearing a children is a curse than a blessing. Contraception lowers the dignity of children as a property than a person.

1. Artificial Contraception is realistic because the world is drowning in human population & humans cant stop having sex.

Since when did the world population is drowning in population. This planet is big enough to hold on its own. Besides, people are being killed each day through murder, accident and so forth. Population is basically balanced, as the law of nature dictates.

I also like to add that there are medicial issues when individuals use contraception.

I like to quote the following:

The Physician’s Desk Reference (PDR) is a 3500 page book used by doctors that explains how drugs work. In it is the “exact copy of the product’s FDA-approved or other manufacturer-supplied labeling.” The 2006 PDR states that “a meta-analysis of 54 studies found a small increase in the frequency of having breast cancer diagnosed for women who were currently using combined oral contraceptives or had used them within the past ten years.” Upon reading this, I tracked down the original source. It was an article from the Lancet, which gathered data from over 150,000 women. It said, “The studies included in this collaboration represent about 90% of the epidemiological information on the topic, and what is known about the other studies suggests that their omission has not materially affected the main conclusions.” Some might argue that the increase in breast cancer risk is only a small one. But with 80-100 million women on the pill across the globe, the numbers certainly add up.In the Consumer’s Guide to the Pill and Other Drugs it is stated that “Early-age use of the pill carries a greater risk of breast cancer, of developing larger tumors and having a worse prognosis”(2). The Pill can cause plenty of other problems as well, but click here for details on that.

Many doctors do not believe there is a link between the Pill and breast cancer. But considering that the World Heath Organization, the 2006 Physician’s Desk Reference, the journal of the Mayo Clinic, and other reliable sources openly admit such a connection, I believe there is reason for concern. Should a woman be prescribed the pill for medical reasons (as my wife was, with Endometriosis and ovarian tumors), she will be glad to know that successful alternatives exist. Click here for details on that.

You might wonder why the Pill would increase one’s odds of developing breast cancer. Chris Kahlenborn, M.D., explains: “Two of the most important types of hormones that control reproduction are estrogens and progestins. Birth Control Pills are made from synthetic estrogens and/or progestins. Experiments have shown that these hormones cause women’s breast cells to divide more rapidly, which makes them more easily affected by carcinogens - agents which cause cancer”(3).

Source: pureloveclub.com/chastity/index.php?id=7&entryid=41

 

[Mannyfit75]

nah. euthanasia is simply helping a person who wishes to die to end his suffering. its charitable too in my opinion.

hey that makes a great new thread! stay tuned…

A person suffering should continue to live and he should die a natural death. A person who is cut off from the means of maintaining life is guilty of murder.

 

[AgnosTheist]

People who reject the Church’s teaching on contraception, by and large, do so not because they understand and disagree with it, but largely because their commitment to a certain life-style prevents them from giving the Church a fair hearing.

You know I first learned about ‘Family Planning’ long before I realized what Artificial Contraception is. That was in the late 70s, in the Philippines. It was through a government sponsored commercial. It was my catholic mother who explained to a very young me what it was all about. Because our country (which was 90% catholic at that time) was (& still is) very poor and overpopulated. But yeah you can choose to see it as a selfish attempt to improve the lives of filipinos, but many of us would rather see it as a way to better improve our lives as an attempt to solve many social ills like crime, poverty, child neglect, and white slavery (the more kids the more demand for under paid house helpers who is really like a slave).

In contrast, “every action which, whether in anticipation of the conjugal act, or in its accomplishment, or in the development of its natural consequences, proposes, whether as an end or as a means, to render procreation impossible” is intrinsically evil

thats faith. i cant tell you what to believe, however unrealistic it is.

reality is something else. poor countries are often overpopulated because people in poverty have very little to do but have sex. seeing countless of naked, dirty, crying & malnourished kids in shanty towns…thats what i call uncharitable. its better for these kids to have been born after the society have raised itself from poverty. for the mean time, family planning. artificial contraception.

 

[jemfinch]

1. Artificial Contraception is charitable in a crowded world because because a reduced family size help conserve resources, which is beneficial to everybody.

Resources are not so limited that they must be conserved. If the distribution of resources is inequitable, that’s a problem that should be rectified apart from family size issues.

1. Artificial Contraception is a charitable option for couples in poverty for the obvious reason that couple would be able to care well for the limited number of children that they can afford to raise.

NFP is cheaper than any artificial contraceptive method, and just as effective.

1. Artificial Contraception is realistic because the world is drowning in human population & humans cant stop having sex.

The world isn’t drowning in human population, and humans can choose not to have sex. Both of your premises are false.

Jeremy

 

[AgnosTheist]

A person suffering should continue to live and he should die a natural death. A person who is cut off from the means of maintaining life is guilty of murder.

its only murder if its against the laws of the land. but that is soon changing. a person who is very ill and being tortured by illness should have the right to die. and the right to seek aid in dying.

 

[Mannyfit75]

You know I first learned about ‘Family Planning’ long before I realized what Artificial Contraception is. That was in the late 70s, in the Philippines. It was through a government sponsored commercial. It was my catholic mother who explained to a very young me what it was all about. Because our country (which was 90% catholic at that time) was (& still is) very poor and overpopulated. But yeah you can choose to see it as a selfish attempt to improve the life of filipinos, but many of us would rather see it as a way to better improve our lives as an attempt to solve many social ills like crime, poverty, child neglect, and white slavery (the more kids the more demand for under paid house helpers who is really like a slave).

I am Filipino my friend. I no longer speak my native tongue. I’m originally from the Cebu, Philippines. I left the Philippines in 1984 to the US with my parents, along with my 2 brothers, and 2 sisters. I know the struggle of our people. I also like to note that as Catholic Christians, especially Filipino Catholics need to bear their cross. For Jesus did say, “If you follow me, you must take up your own cross.”

thats faith. i cant tell you what to believe, however unrealistic it is.

Contraception leads to medicial problems. A woman who called Catholic Answers Live said she used contraception a lot and didn’t know its link to cancer. She had cancer as a result. Contraceptive drugs can slowly destroy the body. It’s a pity that the general public in the world is not aware of this.

reality is something else. poor countries are often overpopulated because people in poverty have very little to do but have sex. seeing countless of naked, dirty, crying & malnourished kids in shanty towns…thats what i call uncharitable. its better for these kids to have been born after the society have raised itself from poverty. for the mean time, family planning. artificial contraception.

If people stop having sex and reserve it for marriage this would not be a problem. Sex my friend is specifically for married couples period. You commit fornication and the end result is a child, that couple must take up the responsibility of taking care of the family, he or she must accept the child as a gift.

There are also alternatives to contraception, which is NFP, Natural Family Planning.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Resources are not so limited that they must be conserved. If the distribution of resources is inequitable, that’s a problem that should be rectified apart from family size issues.

tell that to the malnourished & dying kids of africa.

NFP is cheaper than any artificial contraceptive method, and just as effective.

i agree. but the more options the merrier.

The world isn’t drowning in human population, and humans can choose not to have sex. Both of your premises are false.

You are hiding under a shell. The fact that planetary weather is rapidly being altered by human population disproves your assertion.

And humans can choose not to have sex? Of course, we can. But realistically thats not happening. We always give in. Even some of your catholic priests.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

1. Artificial Contraception is charitable in a crowded world because because a reduced family size help conserve resources, which is beneficial to everybody.

It’s charitable in some ways to those who are already alive, but not charitable to those whose future existence rests on your decision to contracept or not.

Some natural resources, like oil, are limited and your argument about resources holds, but others are limited only by the amount of labor available to harvest them. In other ways everyone benefits from a larger population, because there are also economies of scale to consider. For example, could the USA have the same space program if it’s population was only 100million instead of 300million?

1. Artificial Contraception is a charitable option for couples in poverty for the obvious reason that couple would be able to care well for the limited number of children that they can afford to raise.

I bet there are lots of youngest children in poor families who are glad that their parents had them. Money isn’t everything.

1. Artificial Contraception is realistic because the world is drowning in human population & humans cant stop having sex.

We’re not drowning in population here, in fact because were so sparsely populated on this continent, we live far apart and waste energy driving long distances.

 

[Mannyfit75]

its only murder if its against the laws of the land. but that is soon changing. a person who is very ill and being tortured by illness should have the right to die. and the right to seek aid in dying.

No they shouldn’t. They should take their cross and accept natural death as a means to an end.

I’ll refer to you this article as to why Euthanasia is morally wrong and sinful.

catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0510fea1.asp

No matter how ill a patient is, we never have a right to put him to death. We have a duty to care for and preserve life. But to what length are we required to go to preserve life? No religion or government requires us to use every possible means to prolong life. The means have traditionally been classified as either ordinary or extraordinary.

Ordinary means include any treatment or procedure that provides some benefit to the patient without excessive burden or hardship. Ordinary means must always be used.

Extraordinary means are those that present an excessive burden. Extraordinary means are optional. “Discontinuing medical procedures that are burdensome, dangerous, extraordinary, or disproportionate to the expected outcome can be legitimate; it is the refusal of ‘over-zealous’ treatment” (CCC 2278).

The distinction here is not between “artificial” and “natural.” Many artificial treatments are ordinary means in the moral sense, so long as they provide some benefit without excessive burden. Of course, whether a particular treatment is ordinary or extraordinary depends on the specific case, with all its medical details.

 

[AgnosTheist]

It’s charitable in some ways to those who are already alive, but not charitable to those whose future existence rests on your decision to contracept or not.

There is no sense mourning for something that does not exist. Like I give a damn if I wasnt born in the first place. Nobody got killed, nobody suffered… no reason to complain.

In other ways everyone benefits from a larger population, because there are also economies of scale to consider. For example, could the USA have the same space program if it’s population was only 100million instead of 300million?

I agree. I only recommend artificial contraception to societies and families who would suffer with an expanded population.

I bet there are lots of youngest children in poor families who are glad that their parents had them. Money isn’t everything.

Of course. Life is (almost) always glad to be alive. And we should protect those who are already born. But the point is, something that wasnt born doesnt give a damn. Population control still makes sense.

We’re not drowning in population here, in fact because were so sparsely populated on this continent, we live far apart and waste energy driving long distances.

many people have to drive long distances because jobs were already taken at where they live. its not like the olden days where you can just farm a land anywhere. we should fix our environment first before we make things worst (through overpopulation).

 

[AgnosTheist]

No they shouldn’t. They should take their cross and accept natural death as a means to an end.

easy for you to say because you are not the one being tortured by a mortal illness.

 

[Mannyfit75]

its only murder if its against the laws of the land. but that is soon changing. a person who is very ill and being tortured by illness should have the right to die. and the right to seek aid in dying.

Euthanasia Thread is now open here.

 

[Mannyfit75]

easy for you to say because you are not the one being tortured by a mortal illness.

I rejoice in my suffering for if I do suffer, I suffer with Jesus Christ. For Jesus Christ himself suffer much during his Crucification.

Since you did made this issue. I open a new thread for you. See the post above.

It is not moral torture. How do you justify who cannot speak for themselves and want to live? Do you want to kill them too?

 

[AgnosTheist]

I am Filipino my friend. I no longer speak my native tongue.

kaya naman pala familiar ang pangalan mo eh. ‘manny’, pilipinong pilipino ang dating!

Contraception leads to medicial problems. A woman who called Catholic Answers Live said she used contraception a lot and didn’t know its link to cancer. She had cancer as a result. Contraceptive drugs can slowly destroy the body. It’s a pity that the general public in the world is not aware of this.

all drugs have side effects. i suspected contraceptive drugs would do more than prevent pregnancy. but what about condoms?

If people stop having sex and reserve it for marriage this would not be a problem.

Unfortunately thats not whats happening. Fornication is rampant even in biblical times, that even some big shot prophets did it (like david).

There are also alternatives to contraception, which is NFP, Natural Family Planning.

young couples cant handle that. marriage is hot in its first 2 years. its an everyday action.

 

[Mannyfit75]

kaya naman pala familiar ang pangalan mo eh. ‘manny’, pilipinong pilipino ang dating!

I told you** “I no longer speak my native tongue”**

all drugs have side effects. i suspected contraceptive drugs would do more than prevent pregnancy. but what about condoms?

Condoms are not 100% effective. Condoms break and if they break they will increase the chances of STD, and pregnancy. It is better not to have sex outside marriage. Absta

Unfortunately thats not whats happening. Fornication is rampant even in biblical times, that even some big shot prophets did it (like david).

Fornication also condemned. David didn’t practiced it. He committed the sin of adultery. Adultery is sex between two married persons who are having intercourse with someone who is not their spouse.

Fornication is sex outside marriage between two unmarried couples. Fornication is forbidden by God. Those who fornicate will not inherit the kingdom of heaven unless they repent before they die. God likewise condemn it.

young couples cant handle that. marriage is hot in its first 2 years. its an everyday action.

Young couples who can’t afford it should use NFP without contraception. Marriage is more than just sexual intercourse. If this is how you view marriage, you need to get rid of that mentality.

It is mutual love for one another, and self-sacrificing love.

Sexuality is ordered to the conjugal love of man and woman. In marriage the physical intimacy of the spouses becomes a sign and pledge of spiritual communion. Marriage bonds between baptized persons are sanctified by the sacrament.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church teaches this very clear.

2361 "Sexuality, by means of which man and woman give themselves to one another through the acts which are proper and exclusive to spouses, is not something simply biological, but concerns the innermost being of the human person as such. It is realized in a truly human way only if it is an integral part of the love by which a man and woman commit themselves totally to one another until death."143

2362 "The acts in marriage by which the intimate and chaste union of the spouses takes place are noble and honorable; the** truly human performance of these acts fosters the self-giving they signify and enriches the spouses in joy and gratitude**."145 Sexuality is a source of joy and pleasure:

*The Creator himself . . . established that in the [generative] function, spouses should experience pleasure and enjoyment of body and spirit. Therefore, the spouses do nothing evil in seeking this pleasure and enjoyment. They accept what the Creator has intended for them. At the same time, spouses should know how to keep themselves within the limits of just moderation.146 *

2363 The spouses’ union achieves the twofold end of marriage: the good of the spouses themselves and the transmission of life. These two meanings or values of marriage cannot be separated without altering the couple’s spiritual life and compromising the goods of marriage and the future of the family.

To view full teaching on this read this.