Artificial Contraception: Why it is very Charitable & Realistic

[kentuckyliz]

The nurses at the cancer center told me that they interview breast (and other female parts) cancer patients for history of hormonal contraception usage and perimenopausal hormonal replacement therapy products. They realized years ahead of the research becoming public the link between hormonal contraception/HRT and breast (and uterine) cancer. It’s stronger than family history.

Just FYI, account for that in the “charitable” reckoning. Giving women deadly diseases for round-the-calendar sexual access doesn’t seem to be that charitable to me.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Just FYI, account for that in the “charitable” reckoning. Giving women deadly diseases for round-the-calendar sexual access doesn’t seem to be that charitable to me.

wrong choice of contraception. i suggest condoms & withrawal methods for couples in heat. works for most people i know, and for me too! now thats charitable.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

^ So whats your point in saying “Divorce is not a sin according to Christ speaking through the Church”.

Simple…

The act of getting a civil divorce with sound reason is not a sin.

There is no divorce in God eyes. A person obtaining a civil divorce is no longer married in the eyes of the state, a legal/contractual matter in dividing common property from marriage contracted by the state, but in the eyes of God anyone validly married is still married until the earthly death of one or both parties.

You seem to be confused about what is “of God” and what is “of man.” Christians live according to the will of God, from whom all graces and human right are given.

Hope this helps. it really is very simple.

 

[AgnosTheist]

There is no divorce in God eyes. A person obtaining a civil divorce is no longer married in the eyes of the state, a legal/contractual matter in dividing common property from marriage contracted by the state, but in the eyes of God anyone validly married is still married until the earthly death of one or both parties.

Tell me the vatican opinion of catholics who gets a civil divorce.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

Tell me the vatican opinion of catholics who gets a civil divorce.

I just did.

See the post you quoted.

 

[Sean_Boyle]

Tell me the vatican opinion of catholics who gets a civil divorce.

The Vatican’s “opinion” ,as you call it, is the same as God’s opinion. That’s not a coincidence.

 

[Delphinus85]

With careful consideration and thought and a careful read of Humane Vitae I just cannot see how God is offended when inside a marriage people practice contraception. My mom had TEN children in 13 years before the pill was available. I’m one of 8 that lived. For being the best parent to each kid, providing each with care, love, college and extracurricular activies, just having all the children possible makes no sense. It’s at the least extremely impractical. If it’s OK to “naturally” contracept through NFP, what is the big deal about using a pill? It is a medical development. Would you not use penecillin because it is unnatural? There are medical reasons why it’s beneficial for someone to take the pill, good medical reasons why some woman should not get pregnant. I think it is responsible to use the pill in a marriage when the couple doesn’t want more children, needs to put off having children financially, or has other medical reasons. When the encyclical came out I think the Pope was in a bit of a social panic about the detrimental effects of the pill on morals. It indeed did have a detrimental effect but I serioulsy don’t believe that it is morally wrong to use the pill within marriage. I know any official Catholic clergy would say I’m incorrect but I must rely on my own conscience ---- which is also in the catechism. Of course there is never a circumstance in which the church says you can use it. I suspect there are millions who are in my shoes with a lot less real consideration of the details of the encyclical.

They say you can use the pill if you are using it for medicinal/.therapeutical reasons.

For the record, I’m not debating anyone or defending my position. But I agree with you:thumbsup: . I feel the church needs to either outlaw NFP or accept some other forms of birth control. Their reasoning is so illogical and inconsistent.

I follow the rules because I respect the church, but I am hoping they change them someday. It’s such silly hair-splitting legalism.

 

[AgnosTheist]

I just did.

ok. in short the catholic church does not practice divorce.

and so devoted catholics would not practice divorce either. and it so happens that devoted catholics only uses the NFP method. theres the correlation in the catholic survey regarding contraception & divorce.

 

[Petergee]

i suggest condoms & withrawal methods for couples in heat.

Newsflash: Humans are not mere animals. Animals go into heat. Humans have rational minds and free will. They **decide **whether and when to have sexual intercourse. They are not forced to do it by irrational blind uncontrollable instincts, as animals are.

 

[Petergee]

They say you can use the pill if you are using it for medicinal/.therapeutical reasons.

For the record, I’m not debating anyone or defending my position.

Sorry, but if you post your opinion on a forum and give reasons why you think that your opinion is right and other opinions are wrong (as you have done here), you ARE debating and defending your position, and it’s unreasonable to implicitly demand that no-one respond to you. Especially if you post to a Catholic forum something directly contradicting a moral principle which the Church has taught since the first century.

But I agree with you:thumbsup: . I feel the church needs to either outlaw NFP or accept some other forms of birth control. Their reasoning is so illogical and inconsistent.

I follow the rules because I respect the church, but I am hoping they change them someday. It’s such silly hair-splitting legalism.

Maybe you should try telling the Commissioner of Taxation that the law’s clear distinction between tax **avoidance **(analagous to NFP) and tax evasion (analagous to contraception) is “illogical, inconsistent, hair-splitting legalism”. (Quite strong language for someone who’s “not debating or defending”.)

ISTM you need to study the reasons the Church itself gives (not the harebrained descriptions of it which the secular media gives) why it condemns contraception and allows NFP (for a grave reason only and with full and free consent of both spouses - it does not say “NFP is fine and dandy for anyone at any time in any circumstances”).

 

[Sean_Boyle]

ok. in short the catholic church does not practice divorce.

and so devoted catholics would not practice divorce either. and it so happens that devoted catholics only uses the NFP method. theres the correlation in the catholic survey regarding contraception & divorce.

Your not getting the civil diviorce thing in the Church. Maybe I can’t explain in a way that makes sense to you.

So I’ll answer the correlation that seems important to you…

A married couple that uses contraception to prevent the will of God (a baby) has turned their backs to God and his friendship thru their disobenence to God. Anyone that turns their back on God in that matter, leaves little room to ignore or turning their backs on a spouse and the promises made before God, who blessed the marriage. They can’t be expected to respect the vows of marriage made before God if they don’t show respect for God in the first place.