As a Catholic, I envy Mormons this

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I saw some interviews with them on YouTube after having spoken with other Mormons in various online forums and was shocked how programmed their responses to the questions were. I had never noticed that before and was very dismayed.
 
It’s a somewhat misleading polemic that is often used in anti-Mormon apologetics. According to Mormonism, technically, every single angel and human in this universe are brothers. So yes in a Mormon context you could say that Lucifer is Jesus’ brother, but so are you (or sister).
 
Mormons believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers?
Yes, altho many Mormons today will try to claim they’re “spirit brothers.” Yet, the teaching that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers can still be found on their official websites.
 
Yeah, I know Moslem ladies dress nice at home and with friends and family.

I was more referring to that day when you can’t pull it all together, but need to dash out to the market for a few things 🙂
 
I don’t need that to know I do not want to be a Mormon
 
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Plenty of references, gazelam. Unfortunately, I’m on my mobile now and can’t copy and paste from it. I’ll have to get them for you when I’m on my PC.
 
We have a spectacularly rich tradition and access to directions from many great saints, including 35 Doctors of the Church. If we want to find someone to give us specific directions in the pursuit of virtue, it is not hard to find it. It is probably easier to find than at any time in history, since the writings of both Popes past and present and the Doctors of the Church can be found for free online. We have nothing to complain about, in terms of how much is there to find. It is definitely harder to sort through all the things that we should stay away from.

If we wish there were someone giving everyone else more specific directions, though, that is something else again. We ought to be very careful about forming opinions about how pastors ought to be pastors to everyone else. There is a great deal of spiritual harm awaiting us in that direction.

I know now that true charity consists in bearing all our neighbors’defects–not being surprised at their weakness, but edified at their smallest virtues.” St. Thérèse de Lisieux, Doctor of the Church

We may also feel that there is some not-so-subtle pressure to resign ourselves to spiritual mediocrity as if it were the same thing as humility…that is, we may find that in some quarters of the over one billion people who are baptized Catholics, we may run into “who do you think you are?” if we openly try to allow God to make us saints. I can only guess that there is a bit of that in every religion that reaches any size at all, though. People like to self-identify as being “good enough” and often don’t like to be challenged by those who hope to be taken to great heights. This happens on sports teams, too, sometimes, where the member of the team who is really intent on becoming his best is resented by teammates who don’t want to work that hard. Still, the best response to this is to do our best to examine that we really are trying to as good as we can be without seeking to be singled out for praise or recognition.
 
You can have guidance from the church if you look for it. It’s all there but not quite so set out as we are expected to discern the Holy Spirit ourselves. Perhaps you might seek guidance from a specific order? Look at which iif any of them appeal to you, we are blessed with so many. Some of them have very specific ways of praying and guidelines on how to go about it, adding in small increments daily to mental prayer or vocal prayer, many of them profess self abnegation and explain exactly how to do it so that small acts of sacrifice can be done in daily life. You could always attend adoration if possible? that’s the best way to sacrifice time for the Lord and combine prayer and worship. Also your local parish is likely to have opportunities for volunteering which are very fruitful for passing on your love of God to you neighbour in an active manner. I am sure you may do some of this already without realising how much love you are giving to the Lord. St Therese said the little way, small things with great love.

As for other things why not set some for yourself? I already do a media fast on Sundays as the Lords day and I also only watch Christian movies or clips which are surprisingly enlightening and slowly but surely grow the faith. You could bring back the Friday meat fast we do in the UK (assuming you are in the US) or give up something on Fridays if you prefer something else or if you dont already do something. The rosary is a great addition to a good prayer life as is the Divine Office (Liturgy of the Hours) and as I mentioned adoration. See how much there is for them to envy! and I haven’t even mentioned (except in passing) the Eucharist which is so glorious I need a book of space to write about how to adore Him. Our church has a rosary group in front of the blessed sacrament once a week… Ok, I will keep quiet now.
 
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You asked a question. I answered your question.
I’m Catholic by the way.
 
I give the Mormon Church props. They seem to be the most dedicated branch of Christianity. Their young adults take the faith seriously. God bless them.
 
Wow. I’m the last person who would become any form of Protestant. But even I don’t have an aversion to noticing positives in other faiths. And of course the Catholic faith offers an incredibly rich history of traditions and guidance. It isn’t an either/or situation. :roll_eyes:
 
St. Philip Neri counsels avoiding temptations of lust.
 
Funny that they need their alleged “prophet” to tell them what to do. Jesus tells us what to do and how we are to live our lives. Jesus is #1.
So Catholic priests have never told you what you should do?
 
I give the Mormon Church props. They seem to be the most dedicated branch of Christianity. Their young adults take the faith seriously. God bless them.
Well, except they don’t teach Christianity. You may as well say the Muslims are the most dedicated branch of Christianity, since they revere Jesus and Mary. They’re very dedicated, many of them excel in the virtue of religion, but their theology is not Christian.


They believe:
  1. God the Father is a glorified man, possessing a physical body.
  2. There are many Gods.
  3. A man can become God.
  4. Jesus Christ: half-God, half-man.
  5. In the Mormon Temple, God gives men all the secrets necessary for salvation (because the Catholic Church and all other Christian denominations lost essential truths and these need to be secretly revealed again).
In other words, we don’t believe they’re Christians and once you find out what they believe you’ll see they don’t believe we are Christians, either. If I became Mormon, they would definitely re-baptize me!!
 
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Every now and then, I stalk Mormon mom blogs, including , the blog of Stephanie Nielson. Not long ago, she shared the following:
Last week our prophet (RMN), President Nelson spoke to the youth (parents and leaders too) of the Church and invited them to do five things that will help know who they are and what their plan and role is on this earth:

*Hold a seven-day fast from social media.
*Make a weekly sacrifice of time to the Lord for three weeks.
*Keep on the covenant path. If you are off, repent and get back on the path.
*Pray daily that all of God’s children might receive the blessings of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
*Stand out. Be different. Be a light. Give to a friend one copy of the booklet For the Strength of Youth.
http://www.nieniedialogues.com/2018/06/5-simple-steps.html

Whenever this sort of thing pops up, I feel a bit envious that LDS leadership is providing specific suggested steps for its followers. I pray for the Holy Father’s intentions each month and I listen to my bishop when he asks for prayers on specific topics, too. But I don’t ever remember receiving this kind of directive from Church leadership. Does anyone else notice or experience this?

I don’t want the Pope getting into the business of talking about social media fasts. I don’t want my parish priest to be a “self help guru”. I want to hear the word of the Lord and to receive guidance on interpreting it. Fads and technology change and come and go. Human nature hasn’t changed, and more so, God is unchanging. There are plenty of blogs that are secular that talk about social media fasts and getting back on task. I did my own technology fast for 24 hours - not even a cell phone for emergencies. I don’t need or want to church to tell me to do it or use it as an integral part of their teaching. Just like i don’t want the Catholic church to turn into Starbucks.
 
I don’t want the Pope getting into the business of talking about social media fasts. I don’t want my parish priest to be a “self help guru”. I want to hear the word of the Lord and to receive guidance on interpreting it. Fads and technology change and come and go. Human nature hasn’t changed, and more so, God is unchanging. There are plenty of blogs that are secular that talk about social media fasts and getting back on task. I did my own technology fast for 24 hours - not even a cell phone for emergencies. I don’t need or want to church to tell me to do it or use it as an integral part of their teaching. Just like i don’t want the Catholic church to turn into Starbucks.
Encouraging the faithful to rely more on prayer than on empty social media interactions means turning the Church into a Starbucks? 🤔
 
We already know to pray more and not rely so much on social media. We don’t need the Pope, the Catholic Church or our parish priests to tell us these common sense things.

Mormons, on the other hand, rely more on their alleged “prophets” and their Book Of Mormon than they do on the Holy Bible. They turn to their alleged “prophets” for everything. Their alleged “prophets” are the be all end all for them and more important to them than God or the Bible. And yes, I was told this by Mormons who hold high positions in their wards and churches.
 
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