As a Catholic, I envy Mormons this

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I was friends with a mormon for years and one thing I noticed about them is that they have a much smaller church than Catholics do. Their church has a million followers where as the Catholic church has 1.2 BILLION. So its not surprising that the catholic church can get a bit disorganized. Its a lot of sheep to shepard!
 
I don’t love to be micromanaged or called upon to publicly praise my church leaders on a monthly basis, sometimes more often. If not for for the blogs non members would know nothing about them besides the 2 year missionary right of passage where they show up at your door or in the public square which in some countries is directly in front of the local Catholic Church. Sometimes I don’t like something I hear was said by the Pope or a priest. Usually I get over it or it was not a big issue for me, but I’d hate to be required to jump anytime something is said. Which is good since the media usually follows up a retraction after printing a story about the current Pope.

I have a child and we get presentations on stuff to help with parenting during family faith formation. While they are in class for religious ed, our son is in public school, we parents listen to a speaker talk about internet safety, saints, anxiety, etc… Still if a Bishop wrote a letter to the faithful expressing the dangers of too much sugar I would not take up the challenge to do a sugar fast for a month.

I used to envy them for seeming to raise their 18 years old to be truly adult and full of life skills that are sent out alone into the world. I have noticed later on the apron strings are still attached. And they just expect too much. I mean we all want kids to be tax paying citizens who go to college or learn a trade and marry and have kids if they want. They are expected to do the mission, pushed into church schools, tuition is great if you tithe, or schools with large LDS populations, marry early and start kids before college graduation. The LDS population growth has made the church schools hard to get into. Their seminary schedule and all the youth activities seem fun yet time consuming and expensive. I can’t understand what they spend 3 hours of church on that they need seminary and only during high school? Maybe if they were not learning to sew and recreating historical events they could study the Old Testament then? They seem to control and overscheduled their kids. Maybe that is best. Even their time as missionaries are micromanaged. No wonder kids marry so young. They are finally free. So now I feel bad for the kids. Particularly hers. Moved to Arizona after the accident. Then Provo, then New Mexico now North Carolina. It’s not for real jobs. They are not military. They were gifted a home in AZ. Close to the burn center which she still has work to do. One of their families is also there. The other Provo. I just don’t get it? They almost lost their parents. They lost the aunt taking care of them since she is suddenly not an active member of their church. I don’t like shunning in any faith. They lost countless extended family in two states they lived.

The Mormon mommy blogs are addictive. I can overthink them though. The same posts I think is why. What seems picturesque after a while seem suspicious. Because they are often living in a different part of the country their parenting decisions can be a little dangerous. No following of rules like seat belts and helmets and life jackets. And the mocromanaging of the kids. Trying to perfect themselves every moment…
 
There was recently a decision that pop is okay. Church leaders confirmed once and for all pop is okay. However they seem to be talking about the dangers of sugar and suggests fasts all the time. Pop is made of sugar. And then media fast. I guess you have to create vices when your members already do not smoke or drink alcohol or coffee or tea.
 
My parish just sent kids out on mission to do work for people. Not to make other Christians Catholic. We have a program that has college students take a year away from school to run retreats around the country. They are allowed to read anything and call other people more than twice a year. We actually do encourage young people to serve others and God. It’s called religious life and it’s for life in many cases. I like the idea of the LDS mission. Study scripture. Their service projects are usually for hours a week. Most time spent trying to convert people. But the micromanaging. Our servicemen need to concentrate also but they can call home more than twice a year. All these rules to make it arbitrarily hard.
 
LDS believe that Jesus is the only physically begotten Son of God the Father. We don’t believe there was a point where God created time and therefore believe that Jesus was begotten of The Father a certain point in time
This is an interesting statement gazelam. What divine source do you sight as your authority? Certainly, it cannot be the written word of God. Where did these ideas come from? Who were your witnesses to Christ? They certainly cannot be the inner circle of the Apostolic Church?
 
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Jesus here is clearly referring to God the Father as the “only true God”, not Jesus Himself. LDS believe that The Father rules over the Son and that Both have to be known by us in order to gain Eternal Life.
Yes, but before He was “Jesus” He was/is the eternal son. Have you not read Micah 5:2? Secondly, Jesus said these piercing words: “… my Father and I are one.” The Pharisees picked up stones to stone him because they clearly knew and understood that Jesus was claiming to share the same deity as His Father. Yet He in His human person, was not the Father, but the Son.
 
So, are you saying that in addition to accepting “the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior” are really not sufficient to receive Eternal Life and that other “Orthodox” beliefs (like say, the Nicene Creed) are also required?
No, I am not talking about the actual sacrifice of Christ, I am talking about the identity of Christ. For Christians He is the only God (Jn. 1:1) yet He is NOT the Father. It was that God who came into human form and died a sinner’s death. Is that the Christ that you speak of?
 
No. There are multiple divine beings in the Universe. Christ is the divine being sent by the The father to guide Israel. Scripture and scholars confirm that your interpretation is incorrect.
Okay… on what bases did you come to these conclusions? On what source? it certainly was not from holy Scripture. Who’s revelation is this?
 
Mormons seem to go out of their way to be recognized for their good works. Maybe Catholics do the same, I don’t know. When I was a member we had these annual Mormon Helping Hands events. We all wore the bright yellow shirts to be recognized. We always had a spot in the newspaper. We always had the YouTube videos. We sought recognition. We were like the Pharisees. We were recognized of men and we had our reward.
 
gazelam, you have a predictable point of view here. But the term “god, or gods” in both O.T. and New, is actually in a generic form and speaks of those who govern or judge. It does not speak to anything higher.

And so there is a distinction made between “gods” and the only true God of 1st. Thess. 1:9 & 1st. John 5:20, (hence the word “true” suggest all other gods are false and function illegally in the earth.)

But when referring to the God of heaven and earth, this God is the creator of all things Eph. 3:9; Col 1:16. both in heaven above and earth. No other god can make such a claim. This is the God of Christianity and the true God of Genesis 1:1.

And all other gods function illegally, including the so called god of this world, satan. (2nd. Cor. 4:4)

The reason they no longer function legitimately is because Christ pulled the plug, so to speak, when He disarmed satan from his treasonous thrown. see Col. 2:15.
 
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LDS believe that Jesus is the only physically begotten Son of God the Father. We don’t believe there was a point where God created time and therefore believe that Jesus was begotten of The Father a certain point in time
This is an interesting statement gazelam. What divine source do you sight as your authority? Certainly, it cannot be the written word of God. Where did these ideas come from? Who were your witnesses to Christ? They certainly cannot be the inner circle of the Apostolic Church?
John 3:16 (KVJ) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

I hope this helps…
 
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gazelam:
Jesus here is clearly referring to God the Father as the “only true God”, not Jesus Himself. LDS believe that The Father rules over the Son and that Both have to be known by us in order to gain Eternal Life.
Yes, but before He was “Jesus” He was/is the eternal son. Have you not read Micah 5:2?
Micah 5:2 from the USCCB website… But you, Bethlehem-Ephrathah least among the clans of Judah,From you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel; Whose origin is from of old, from ancient times.

This verse seems to imply sonship going way back a long time, but not eternally.

Also, please note Romans 1:4 “but established as Son of God in power according to the spirit of holiness through resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.”

“established” does not mean something that always has been.
Secondly, Jesus said these piercing words: “… my Father and I are one.” The Pharisees picked up stones to stone him because they clearly knew and understood that Jesus was claiming to share the same deity as His Father. Yet He in His human person, was not the Father, but the Son.
How about the piercing words of John 17:22? And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one,

Jesus prays that His disciples will have the same oneness as He has with his Father. Since the disciples can never become consubstantial with each other in their divinity it’s clear that the oneness of the Father and the Son is not the Trinitarian oneness of being consubstantial with each other. It’s a oneness of purpose and unity only, not the same deity.
 
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gazelam:
So, are you saying that in addition to accepting “the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior” are really not sufficient to receive Eternal Life and that other “Orthodox” beliefs (like say, the Nicene Creed) are also required?
No, I am not talking about the actual sacrifice of Christ, I am talking about the identity of Christ. For Christians He is the only God (Jn. 1:1) yet He is NOT the Father. It was that God who came into human form and died a sinner’s death. Is that the Christ that you speak of?
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gazelam:
So, are you saying that in addition to accepting “the sacrificial death, burial and resurrection of our Lord and Savior” are really not sufficient to receive Eternal Life and that other “Orthodox” beliefs (like say, the Nicene Creed) are also required?
No, I am not talking about the actual sacrifice of Christ, I am talking about the identity of Christ. For Christians He is the only God (Jn. 1:1) yet He is NOT the Father. It was that God who came into human form and died a sinner’s death. Is that the Christ that you speak of?
He is God [the Son] who came into human form, who’s subordinate to God [the Father].

I’ve never figured out how Trinitarian Christians see John 1:1 as Trinitarian.

Is this the correct definition of the Trinity?
  1. There is one God.
  2. The Father is God.
  3. The Son is God.
  4. The Holy Spirit is God.
  5. The Father is not the Son.
  6. The Father is not the Holy Spirit
  7. The Son is not the Holy Spirit.
  8. The Son has two natures.
    There’s probably more but this is sufficient for the point I’ll make.
John 1:1
A) In the beginning was the Word,
B) and the Word was with God,
C) and the Word was God.

John 1:1B directly contradicts definition #3 above. Gramatically God in John 1:1B and not the same God as in John 1:1C

The LDS view is similar to that of Justin Martyr who said:

[T]here is said to be, another God and Lord subject to the Maker of all things; who is called an Angel…. I shall endeavor to persuade you, that He is said to have appeared to Abraham, and to Jacob, and to Moses, and who is called God, is distinct from Him who made all things – numerically, I mean, not [distinct] in will.” (Justin Martyr, Dialogue with Trypho 56)
 
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