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rr1213
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Nor, for that reason, should anyone claim that the Mother of God is also their mother.
As a Christian, do you consider the Blessed Virgin Mary as your Mother?
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Dorothy
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Well, she, of course, did not pre-date God.NO! She is someone who was obedient and blessed. Very Blessed!, but she is **not **the Mother of God.
The reason the Catholic Church calls her the Mother of God, is because it is acknowledging that the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity is True God and True Man. Jesus has a human nature and a Divine nature, and He is One Person.
Mary did not give birth to merely a human Jesus - she gave birth to God Incarnate - and He has a human AND a Divine nature.
To call her the Mother of God is acknowledging this Truth.
I know the above sounds repetitious, but I felt it needed to be to make it clear.
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st_lucy
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Paul told Timothy, “[W]hat you have heard from me before many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also” (2 Tim. 2:2).
“Although I have much to write to you, I do not intend to use paper and ink. Instead, I hope to visit you and to speak, face to face.”(In 2 John 12 )
It seems that not all is written in the bible. And that tradition is in fact important.
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E.E.N.S
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She is indeed the Mother of God - Jesus Christ the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. And inasmuch as we are members of the Body of Christ, we are sons and daughters of Mary.
A couple of quotes from St. Louis de Montfort:
“Just as in natural and bodily generation there is a father and a mother, so in the supernatural and spiritual generation there is a father who is God and a mother who is Mary. All true children of God have God for their father and Mary for their mother; anyone who does not have Mary for his mother, does not have God for his father. This is why the reprobate, such as heretics and schismatics, who hate, despise or ignore the Blessed Virgin, do not have God for their father though they arrogantly claim they have, because they do not have Mary for their mother. Indeed if they had her for their mother they would love and honour her as good and true children naturally love and honour the mother who gave them life.”
“'This one and that one were born in her.’ According to the explanation of some of the Fathers, the first man born of Mary is the God-man, Jesus Christ. If Jesus Christ, the head of mankind, is born of her, the predestinate, who are members of this head, must also as a necessary consequence be born of her. One and the same mother does not give birth to the head without the members nor to the members without the head, for these would be monsters in the order of nature. In the order of grace likewise the head and the members are born of the same mother. If a member of the mystical body of Christ, that is, one of the predestinate, were born of a mother other than Mary who gave birth to the head, he would not be one of the predestinate, nor a member of Jesus Christ, but a monster in the order of grace.”
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Mannyfit75
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Your logical seens illogical. Being a brother of Christ does not make one divine.
Do you not know that through baptism, a Christian become a brother of Jesus.
By the grace of God the Father and the power of the Holy Spirit, through our faith in Jesus Christ and the Sacrament of Baptism, we have been called to become children of God. Through the Sacrament of Confirmation, we have been equipped with spiritual “gifts of the Holy Spirit according to the grace that has been given to us.” [Rom. 12:6] and sent forth by our Bishop as shining lights in the world [Mt. 5:16] “to spread and defend the faith by word and action as true witnesses of Christ, to confess the name of Christ boldly, and never to be ashamed of the Cross.” (C.C.C. # 1303)
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julebenn
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Does not Sara or somewhere in the OT call her Husband LORD I can’t remember where?
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jmcrae
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Bearing a child isn’t a sin. The sacrifice of the dove was not a sacrifice for sin. The purification she was seeking was not purification from sin, but purification from the spiritual stresses of childbirth.
Mary was saved by Jesus in a different way from us, but He is still her saviour, too - she wasn’t born perfect by her own design, but by God’s design.
A way of looking at it is to think of two children.
One child falls into a deep hole, and the rescuer comes and gets the child out.
The rescuer then puts up a fence and a warning around the deep hole, and the second child is saved from the deep hole by not falling into it, in the first place - she sees the fence and the warning, and goes safely around it.
We are like the first child who fell into the hole and needs to be rescued. Mary is like the second child who never fell into the hole to begin with. Same Saviour - two different ways of being saved.
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st_lucy
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So who do you think St Elizabeth was talking about? She called Mary the mother of my Lord. Was Mary a mother to St Elizabeths husband Zechariah? No, St Elizabeth was refering to our Lord Jesus Christ, who else.
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Mannyfit75
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Yes but it is not all the time that OT calls God Lord. You must also take into the account the the original author is trying to convey in the original context. If you can cite the passage, does it subject pertain to God?
What I’m basically telling you that when the Hebrews addressed God, they call him Lord.
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julebenn
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I agree understood! Thanks!
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Mannyfit75
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Elizabeth’s use of “Mother of my Lord” (in Hebrew, Elizabeth used “Adonai” which means Lord God) is the equivalent of “Holy Mary, Mother of God” which Catholics pray in the Rosary. The formula is simple: Jesus is a divine person, and this person is God. Mary is Jesus’ Mother, so Mary is the mother of God (Mary is not just the Mother of Jesus’ human nature - mothers are mothers of persons, not natures).
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rr1213
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At best, we are adopted children of God through the grace of God. At the same time, as the Church of God, we are the Body of Christ. Yet, no one who is of the Body believes themselves to be Christ indeed. Also, as the Church, we are the Bride of Christ…how can we be both the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ? Confusion comes from mixing our analogies, even those which are Christ-given. Mary is the Mother of God, blessed among women, highly favored or full of grace…not our mother. We are told in Scripture that God is our father, but not that Mary is our mother.
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julebenn
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Did she not mean as LORD -the Savior, Jesus Christ.
This still does not make her my mother, but more as an sister in Christ. Besides is Mary not part of the Church- as the bride of Christ? She can not be Mother and part of the Bride…
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Mannyfit75
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Mary is our adapted mother. No Christian claim to be Christ. When the Church is address is the Bride of Christ is in reference to the New Jerusalem in the Book of Revelation. Remember Jesus often describe the Second Coming of the Son of Man, as Wedding Feast. The Groom is Jesus, and his Bride is the Church.
The Church is also the Body of Christ because we share and part take into his Kingdom. These terms are symbolic and shouldn’t be taken literally. The Catholic Church defined these as Mysterious because mere human understanding cannot understand it. It’s supernatural.
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carol_marie
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I voted no … but not because it’s not in the Bible. My faith isn’t based on the Bible alone.
Mainly because I just don’t think of her as “my Mother.” Mother of Jesus… yes. I think of her as the best example of a Christian mother & follower of Christ… and I often ask her to pray for me.
But I can’t say I ever think of her as my mother. Maybe I haven’t been Catholic long enough?
Mainly because I just don’t think of her as “my Mother.” Mother of Jesus… yes. I think of her as the best example of a Christian mother & follower of Christ… and I often ask her to pray for me.
But I can’t say I ever think of her as my mother. Maybe I haven’t been Catholic long enough?
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jmcrae
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Is He not God? There is only one God - the Trinity three persons in one God - where ever Jesus is, there is God. “If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father.” The Trinity cannot be divided - God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were not off doing something else while Jesus was on earth - they remained with Him throughout everything that happened to Him.
Mary was the very first Christian, since she was the very first to “accept Jesus into her heart” - and He came to her in a literal way, right into her womb, making her the Mother of God, and also the Mother of the Church, as well as a member of the Church, and as such, Bride, Mother, and Sister of Christ, all in one.
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LilyM
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Where did you get this idea? Jesus himself gave Mary to John as his mother at the Crucifixion - all of Christ’s followers have the right to claim Mary as their own mother.
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Mannyfit75
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Believers are a part of Church. It is part of the Communion of Saints. The Church is united with the Church Militant on Earth, Suffering Saints in Purgatory, and the Saints in Heaven. In the book of Revelations as well as the writing of St. Paul, righteous men praying.
In the Apostles Creed, we profess, I believe the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints. It is rather large family of Believers in Christ.
Mary is a believer. Many of the saints who died in Christ, are part of this Church even after death.
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Verita
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Can there be a “Yes, because Jesus is our Bridegroom” answer?
I’m afraid I’m rather new to Catholicism and though I know Mary is my mother, it’s still hard to think of her that way. When I do I tend to think of her as a wonderful, loving mother-in-law. I’ve always preferred the analogy as Jesus as our groom better than Jesus as our brother.
I’m afraid I’m rather new to Catholicism and though I know Mary is my mother, it’s still hard to think of her that way. When I do I tend to think of her as a wonderful, loving mother-in-law. I’ve always preferred the analogy as Jesus as our groom better than Jesus as our brother.
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