As a former cradle Catholic, I have found many Protestant churches much more welcomin

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Early christians were comitted to fellowship. The Catholic church could use some imorovement here( I’m a Catholic). Many parishes are now creating small groups which meet during the week. For many people the once a week mass is not enough to keep them on track spiritually. The best way we can glorify god is to live a Christlike life. The fellowship of other Catholics is essential for me. Find a parish with small groups and you may be more excited.-]/-]
It depends on what you mean by ‘fellowship’ and what you are looking for in a ‘fellowship’. The RCC has the widest range of activities that go beyond ‘feel nice bible sharing, loud-music-clapping-thank you and see you next week’ type. There are more value-adding Church activities like Marriage Encounter, Cathechism classes, spiritual retreats, etc that help save souls. It really depends if you want ‘feel nice’ or ‘salvation works’ type of activities.

The first types are like ‘gasoline station Christians’ - they’re happy if they can load up gas. Unhappy if there’s no gas to load.

The latter type are the ones who have to carry the weight of the ‘gasoline station Christians’ while at the same time follow RCC teachings and work out their own salvation.
 
Early christians were comitted to fellowship. The Catholic church could use some imorovement here( I’m a Catholic). Many parishes are now creating small groups which meet during the week. For many people the once a week mass is not enough to keep them on track spiritually. The best way we can glorify god is to live a Christlike life. The fellowship of other Catholics is essential for me. Find a parish with small groups and you may be more excited.-]/-]
Personally I think small groups are a must - and I am going to try and start one once I have been received esp if I decide (and am accepted) to become a permanent deacon
 
Study what the Church actually teaches about these things, using the Catechism and the other documents of the Church that are referenced in the Catechism.

This will take a bit of work - but you didn’t get the success you have today in other areas of your life without a bit of work. This is no different.
Well, I have. People on this board have also taken a lot of their time to help me too. I can understand why the CC believes what it does, and I can actually defend many practices with words, but I don’t believe it with my heart. The Protestant viewpoint makes more sense to me, and that scares me sometimes.
 
What is your understanding of papal infallibility?
Well, the CC teaches that papal infallibility is the ability of the pope (& the magistrum) to be infallible whenever speaking “ex cathedra” about matters of faith and morals. It is taken from the part in scripture when Jesus talks about Peter, the rock, and the Church he is building.

The Protestants hold that since the scripture was written in Greek and not Aramaic, the rock was a pebble and the church was built on Peter’s proclamation of faith.

What do you think happens between you and Jesus when you sin?

The CC teaches that when you sin, you break away from Christ, and the holy spirit leaves you. In order to get the holy spirit back, you need to go to confession and receive an official absolution from a priest, acting in Christi persona (did I say that right?.

I believe that Christ died for our sins, and knows we are sinners, and lives within our hearts. I think that if we love Jesus, we honestly will try our best to do what He wants, but because we are naturally born sinners, we always fall short. But so long as we continue to go to Him, and love Him, and DO OUR BEST to honor Him, and repent from our sins, we can not drive him out of our soul.

I do believe we can reject Christ, though. But simply sinning (in my opinion) is not our actively trying to reject him. Rejecting him means not WANTING him in our life, and not repenting when we hurt him.

What are the apocrypha?
According to my Catholic Bible, they were not declared part of the canon in the Council of Hippo, but they were always encouraged to read to get a good account of the history. (Is that correct teaching?)

If I’m not mistaken, I don’t think that they are not part of the Jewish Bible, as the Jews do not believe that they are inspired. I believe Catholics are the only ones who have them in the Bible as the inspired word of God.
 
It depends on what you mean by ‘fellowship’ and what you are looking for in a ‘fellowship’. The RCC has the widest range of activities that go beyond ‘feel nice bible sharing, loud-music-clapping-thank you and see you next week’ type. There are more value-adding Church activities like Marriage Encounter, Cathechism classes, spiritual retreats, etc that help save souls. It really depends if you want ‘feel nice’ or ‘salvation works’ type of activities.
I don’t think you are categorizing Christian fellowship in a fair and proper way. I belong to a women’s Baptist bible study group. We are studying the Patriarch with Beth Moore. I have learned more about the book of Genesis is 6 weeks there than I ever did in all my life! It is not a “feel nice bible sharing” as you depicted. It has truly strengthened my relationship with Christ. I have talked to Him and gone to Him more than I have since I was a child and did so naturally. Right theology or wrong, they do these activities to “save souls”. It is VERY wrong to say “we Catholics try to save souls while those protestants are in it to feel good”.
The first types are like ‘gasoline station Christians’ - they’re happy if they can load up gas. Unhappy if there’s no gas to load.

The latter type are the ones who have to carry the weight of the ‘gasoline station Christians’ while at the same time follow RCC teachings and work out their own salvation.
Every Christian works out the salvation, as that is what scripture commands. It is not a trait unique to Catholics. Again, and I’m sure you aren’t intending to do this, you are sounding very uncharitable.
 
I don’t think you are categorizing Christian fellowship in a fair and proper way. I belong to a women’s Baptist bible study group. We are studying the Patriarch with Beth Moore. I have learned more about the book of Genesis is 6 weeks there than I ever did in all my life! It is not a “feel nice bible sharing” as you depicted. It has truly strengthened my relationship with Christ. I have talked to Him and gone to Him more than I have since I was a child and did so naturally. Right theology or wrong, they do these activities to “save souls”. It is VERY wrong to say “we Catholics try to save souls while those protestants are in it to feel good”.

Every Christian works out the salvation, as that is what scripture commands. It is not a trait unique to Catholics. Again, and I’m sure you aren’t intending to do this, you are sounding very uncharitable
I’m sorry if I “sounded” uncharitable in your reading of my post.

Actually I used the qualifier “if” before the descriptors. And I failed to emphasize it. My fault.

Those who don’t belong there (and don’t fit the description) ought not to be affected and should not feel alluded to.

I will be more circumspect next time.

Thanks for your frankness.
 
Well, I have. People on this board have also taken a lot of their time to help me too. I can understand why the CC believes what it does, and I can actually defend many practices with words, but I don’t believe it with my heart. The Protestant viewpoint makes more sense to me, and that scares me sometimes.
Don’t worry about that. Just keep reading, and stay in the sacraments. Before you know it, it will all make sense. Your Protestant training will fall into place.
 
What is your understanding of papal infallibility?
Well, the CC teaches that papal infallibility is the ability of the pope (& the magistrum) to be infallible whenever speaking “ex cathedra” about matters of faith and morals. It is taken from the part in scripture when Jesus talks about Peter, the rock, and the Church he is building.
This is essentially correct. To build on these ideas a little further, here’s what I’d add to that, to make it a little more clear (I hope!)

We all believe that the people who wrote the text of the Bible were infallible at the time that they wrote those books, because the Holy Spirit was protecting them from writing down anything that was in error.

The Holy Spirit isn’t limited to protecting the Bible - He also protects all of the teachings of the Church - the interpretation of the Scriptures and all of the other teachings - in exactly the same way, which is by protecting the people who promulgate them from promulgating any errors.
The Protestants hold that since the scripture was written in Greek and not Aramaic, the rock was a pebble and the church was built on Peter’s proclamation of faith.
If this were the case, then Matthew (who was writing in the common dialect of Greek of the time) would have used the word “lithos” instead of the word “Peter.”

What Matthew was doing with the Greek was he was inventing a masculine form of the word “petra” to use as a man’s name.

We do exactly the same thing in reverse today when we want to name a little girl after St. Peter. Instead of naming her “Peter” (since that is a boy’s name) we actually name her “Petra” because this is the feminine form of “Peter.” Young Petra figures out pretty early on (by the time she is three years old at the latest) that girls can’t be called “Peter” but that she is, in fact, named after “Peter” because “Petra” is the feminine form of “Peter.”

A second point to make here is that the text of the Bible is not more important than the actual words Jesus said. Jesus, speaking Aramaic to Simon, named him “Cephas” as we see througout the rest of the New Testament where he is referred to by that name. The Greek for “Cephas” is “Petra.”

I am floored whenever I hear of someone who says that “it doesn’t matter what words Jesus used; the text of the Bible is more important.” This is actually a form of idolotry, because someone is putting the Bible in the place of Jesus Himself, who is God.
What do you think happens between you and Jesus when you sin?
The CC teaches that when you sin, you break away from Christ, and the holy spirit leaves you. In order to get the holy spirit back, you need to go to confession and receive an official absolution from a priest, acting in Christi persona (did I say that right?.
What we teach is that if someone commits a mortal sin which has three necessary components: Grave Matter (we’re talking murder, bank robbery, destroying someone’s reputation - stuff that goes against the Ten Commandments), Deliberate Intent with Full Knowledge (not something that just slipped out, or happened by accident, or that you honestly had no idea it was wrong to do) and Free Consent of the Will (nobody was holding a gun to the back of your head, or threatening your livelihood or your family) - meaning that, if you commit a mortal sin, you would definitely know it - if someone commits a mortal sin, they have killed off the grace that was in their soul at Baptism.

One image I have seen used is that “the phone line of the soul to God has been cut.” I like that image.

This doesn’t mean that Jesus/God has left the person. But they have lost their grace. God is still at the other end of the telephone. But, somehow, we have to repair the line.

Perfect Contrition will work (being sorry for your sins out of love for God), but Catholics also have a back-up plan.

What we Catholics can do is we can go to Confession with a priest. The priest acts as a “substitute phone line” when you are making your Confession, and he “repairs your phone line to God” when he gives you the Absolution. 🙂
I believe that Christ died for our sins, and knows we are sinners, and lives within our hearts. I think that if we love Jesus, we honestly will try our best to do what He wants, but because we are naturally born sinners, we always fall short. But so long as we continue to go to Him, and love Him, and DO OUR BEST to honor Him, and repent from our sins, we can not drive him out of our soul.
We Catholics would certainly agree with this.
I do believe we can reject Christ, though. But simply sinning (in my opinion) is not our actively trying to reject him. Rejecting him means not WANTING him in our life, and not repenting when we hurt him.
This would certainly qualify as mortal sin.

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What are the apocrypha?
According to my Catholic Bible, they were not declared part of the canon in the Council of Hippo, but they were always encouraged to read to get a good account of the history. (Is that correct teaching?)
This is referring to books like The Protoevangelium of James, and The Shepherd of Hermas. Are these the books that you mean? Some Protestants believe that the Deuterocanon of the Old Testament is “apocryphal” which is why I ask. The Council of Hippo certainly included the Deuterocanon of the Old Testament - it would not have occurred to them not to.
If I’m not mistaken, I don’t think that they are not part of the Jewish Bible, as the Jews do not believe that they are inspired. I believe Catholics are the only ones who have them in the Bible as the inspired word of God.
The Jews took the Deuterocanon out of their own Bible in 90 AD, but it was certainly in there when Jesus and the Apostles were reading from it and quoting from it during their lifetimes. The Church has simply never removed them, because we figure if it was good enough for Jesus and the Apostles, then it’s certainly good enough for us. 😉
 
I’m sorry if I “sounded” uncharitable in your reading of my post.

Actually I used the qualifier “if” before the descriptors. And I failed to emphasize it. My fault.

Those who don’t belong there (and don’t fit the description) ought not to be affected and should not feel alluded to.

I will be more circumspect next time.

Thanks for your frankness.
Oh, i’m sorry! I didn’t notice the “if”. I gotcha now. In that case, I can agree. 🙂
 
what makes a Protestant Church more welcoming?

Give me 5 answers please
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3
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5.

What makes the Catholic Church less welcoming?
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3
4
5

Now when answering lets stick with the denomination itself not an individual protestant church or Catholic Parrish.

ie; the Baptists, Episcopols, Lutheran,etc…
 
The main difference is that Protestants (mostly Evangelicals) tend to approach visitors like a sales team before the sale.

Catholics approach visitors assuming the sale was made long ago.
 
so no protestants or thinking about leaving the catholic church want to answer the 5 questions?

I knew the challenge was too tough.
 
what makes a Protestant Church more welcoming?
(in my experience, Baptist church)
Give me 5 answers please

1.people engage in conversation with you prior to the service
2. people seem genuinely interested in you when they first meet you, and make it a point to remember different things that are going on in your life as they get to know you. FOr example, I told someone there that my mom was having a minor surgery that week, and the pastor called me to see how she was (I was not a member or anything, just a casual visitor), and I found out they prayed for her as a church at their prayer group.
3. The service seems more welcoming, in a sense. The praise and worship music session is more welcoming in that all the words are posted on the projection screen for everyone to partake in. WHat I like about that over a hymnal is that it also displays beautiful images of Christ, his creations, his crucifixion, etc., whatever fits with that song. It’s easier to participate with your whole heart by the mood that those visuals offer.
4. The greeters really seem to great you and remember your name. They recognize IMMEDIATELY someone who is not a member of their church, telling me they KNOW everyone in their church.
5.Which brings me to the final point. I can say that everyone really knows everyone. I mean fairly well. I guarantee that if I ran into any one of the people of that church at a grocery store, I could say hi to them and they would know who I am. I am not even a member.

So, to me, those are some ways.

What makes the Catholic Church less welcoming?
  1. Greeters at every CC I’ve attending say “good morning” with a (sometimes fake smile) and probably wouldn’t recognize me if I bumped into them somewhere during the week. It’s almost as if they see right through me. I know this isn’t the case everywhere, but honestly, it’s been the case at the last 8 CCs I’ve attended.
  2. No one knows you unless you are involved in everything.
  3. I feel very seperated from the mass…as if I were just an observer with my silent prayers and rituals of the mass.
  4. No conversation prior to mass. Even in the vestibule.
  5. No frequent fellowship before or after mass.
Of course, that is not to say there aren’t exceptions. In fact, there are many. But this has been my PERSONAL experience. Also, I do find a lot of beauty in the CC mass and rituals, but I seem to feel closer to Christ after a protestant service.

Hope that helps. 🙂
 
I would have to say quite alot to be effective. For years in my Catholic church I didn’t know at least half of the names of the parishioners, not because I didn’t make an effort to, but because the folks were just come to mass and then go home…
Sometimes that would be me - one of the ones going home.

I am there for a reason and fellowship is secondary.

There are times when my ability to attend Mass - darker times - has been predicated on my ability to go there and NOT have to be social. Being able to sneak into “St Anywhere” for the 10 am sunday Mass or a weekday Mass somewhere else still, where I could quietly pray, recieve communion, beg for mercy and focus more on the “vertical” nature of what comes down to us through the Mass rather than be focused on the horizontal aspect of congregational fellowship (both have a place!)

So as one of the “Go right home Catholics” let me say I am sorry. It wasn’t you, it was me. I didn’t want to share my problems, I didn’t have the spirit to visit with you. A few years ago I would not have want to have been known - I was coming in as a sinner to try to find a place.

Fellowship has its place, but a few years ago the anonymity protected me and allowed me to go into any random parish and pray before the Blessed Sacrament.

If I would have had to face a group of people who had known me since childhood and all the social pressures attending to participation in groups, I would not have gone to church at all.

“Hey Bob, where were you last Sunday”

“To be honest, Pete, I was still sleeping it off. I drank too much, got high, and had a one night stand. (last names are vague on that one…) and stumbled home where I passed out. When I woke up at the crack of noon, I had a beer for breakfast & a percocet to take the edge off and I spent the rest of the day watching TV, eating everything I had in the fridge, and did not shower.”

“Oh.”

No. I was not in good shape.

When I go back to my hometown, I usually do NOT go to the parish I used to belong to. I don’t want to lie about where I was for a few years, as a matter of fact, I don’t want to be asked about any of it at all. That was taken care of in the confessional.

So forgive me for seeming like a grump - I have read St. Jerome was infamous for being a solitary old grump. There is hope for me yet.

On a different note, there are mens groups and lay groups for the faithful. I think it is telling that a lot of converts from the Evangelical movement to Catholicism frequently end up lay movements - the best of both worlds, close fellowship & fraternity with the persons sharing the faith they love.
 
I take offense to one referring to Anglicanism as junk or containing junk. I didn’t enter here in a fury about all the wrongs of Catholicism but yet this is what I am being faced with. There are many reasons why I left Catholicism and social behavior is just merely one of the smaller reasons. True tradition and doctrine would be two much larger ones.
I would like to know specifics about why you left?
Obviously, you don’t believe (?) that the Catholic (Roman Catholic) Chruch is the ONE True Church? Yet history proves that it is… Look @ the early Fathers of the Church… They were totally Catholic in their worship, their thoughts, their theology, etc…
To leave the Church is to leave Christ…
 
what makes a Protestant Church more welcoming?
(in my experience, Baptist church)
Give me 5 answers please

1.people engage in conversation with you prior to the service
2. people seem genuinely interested in you when they first meet you, and make it a point to remember different things that are going on in your life as they get to know you. FOr example, I told someone there that my mom was having a minor surgery that week, and the pastor called me to see how she was (I was not a member or anything, just a casual visitor), and I found out they prayed for her as a church at their prayer group.
3. The service seems more welcoming, in a sense. The praise and worship music session is more welcoming in that all the words are posted on the projection screen for everyone to partake in. WHat I like about that over a hymnal is that it also displays beautiful images of Christ, his creations, his crucifixion, etc., whatever fits with that song. It’s easier to participate with your whole heart by the mood that those visuals offer.
4. The greeters really seem to great you and remember your name. They recognize IMMEDIATELY someone who is not a member of their church, telling me they KNOW everyone in their church.
5.Which brings me to the final point. I can say that everyone really knows everyone. I mean fairly well. I guarantee that if I ran into any one of the people of that church at a grocery store, I could say hi to them and they would know who I am. I am not even a member.

So, to me, those are some ways.

What makes the Catholic Church less welcoming?
  1. Greeters at every CC I’ve attending say “good morning” with a (sometimes fake smile) and probably wouldn’t recognize me if I bumped into them somewhere during the week. It’s almost as if they see right through me. I know this isn’t the case everywhere, but honestly, it’s been the case at the last 8 CCs I’ve attended.
  2. No one knows you unless you are involved in everything.
  3. I feel very seperated from the mass…as if I were just an observer with my silent prayers and rituals of the mass.
  4. No conversation prior to mass. Even in the vestibule.
  5. No frequent fellowship before or after mass.
Of course, that is not to say there aren’t exceptions. In fact, there are many. But this has been my PERSONAL experience. Also, I do find a lot of beauty in the CC mass and rituals, but I seem to feel closer to Christ after a protestant service.

Hope that helps. 🙂
 
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I’ve had the same experiences, almost down to the last detail… Yet i am still Catholic. I studied history and theology and scripture and have found that the Cahtolic Church is the One Christ established (though i really knew that all along…).
I thoguht about going to a non-Catholic “church” some time ago just for fellowship… they do seem more friendly. But then I had some negative dealings w/ anti-Catholic people and thought better of that…
Catholics seem to have a greater fear of God than any other Christian religion… (which is more “biblical” than to lack this fear). Maybe this is one reason they come across as “cold” and/or unfriendly…
I mean, its not the most fun thing all the time… to work out your salvation w/ fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12)… 😦
 
I would like to know specifics about why you left?
Obviously, you don’t believe (?) that the Catholic (Roman Catholic) Chruch is the ONE True Church? Yet history proves that it is… Look @ the early Fathers of the Church… They were totally Catholic in their worship, their thoughts, their theology, etc…
To leave the Church is to leave Christ…
Easy big guy!

I have known many a convert and revert (of which I am one) and have yet to find ONE that was convinced of the truth because they were told to “quit being such a damned heretic and join the True Faith!”

Presuming the OP’s original post was with some benign intent to address issues he is still wrestling with, let’s show a little charity. I am taking it on good faith that he came here with a good heart because it seems rather a waste of time otherwise to show up on Catholic Answers forums to proselitize. Then again, I generally find the most combatitive folks in such forums often are more seeker than they care to expose.

Let’s take it easy on the guy and maintain some civility. He might be on the path to leading the next great lay movement in the Catholic Church! Handled a little better, Luther might have been Loyola.

-Simple
 
  1. Greeters at every CC I’ve attending say “good morning” with a (sometimes fake smile) and probably wouldn’t recognize me if I bumped into them somewhere during the week. It’s almost as if they see right through me. I know this isn’t the case everywhere, but honestly, it’s been the case at the last 8 CCs I’ve attended.
  2. No one knows you unless you are involved in everything.
  3. I feel very seperated from the mass…as if I were just an observer with my silent prayers and rituals of the mass.
  4. No conversation prior to mass. Even in the vestibule.
  5. No frequent fellowship before or after mass.
Of course, that is not to say there aren’t exceptions. In fact, there are many. But this has been my PERSONAL experience. Also, I do find a lot of beauty in the CC mass and rituals, but I seem to feel closer to Christ after a protestant service.
I am wondering if some of these objections don’t come down to your perception of the nature of the Catholic Mass & faith itslef.

When I as a kid I was an altar boy with some of my buddies from grade school. While we were putting our cassocks on, in our vesting area, we would sometimes get to talking about school, gossip, sports, what we saw on SNL the night before. Fr would frequently pop his head in and and admonish “Remember what we are getting ready for!” In the vestibule before liturgy we generally talked in whispers if at all but otherwise observed some silence. The priest would stand would say his vesting prayers and then we woudl recieve a blessing and “get down to business”.

The nature of the Mass - in East & West - has always been a funeary ritual. We are about to partake - in ways we cannot comprehend - Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross, and, if worthily prepared, recieve Him in the Eucharist. The silence and social reservation in some parishes is like a funeral home for a reason. In the same way the death of a loved one is a time for some silence and prayer, the Mass is the same.

If you don’t have an appreciation for this - and it seems this is not your conception of the Catholic Church - than I can understand how it would seem we are a bunch of “gloomy Guses” but before the Mass, it is our time to pray and prepare. In parish settings where this is not the practice, some of us feel it a bit jarring.

I am glad you are there. I hope you come again. If you want to wait an appropriate amount of time after the liturgy when I am done with my private prayers and my offerings of thanksgiving, introduce yourself if I don’t notice you first. If you will give me some time to think about some of the things that are on my mind - to say my prayers for my loved ones, we can go to the parish hall and have some coffee, or if I have no family obligations, maybe we can go out somewhere for a cup of coffee and discuss the faith.

(My parents seldom took us to the social hall because we acutally grew up with family dinners - mom wanted to get home to put the roast in the oven, and get the house ready for my grandparents to come over and spend the afternoon with us.)

But put first things first, if you understand the Mass, you will understand why we are doing what we are doing. If you develop an appreciation for the Eucharist, you can understand better the Mass, its prayers, its part in your life. All the praise music, fellowship and knowing and being known by everyone else in a congregation simply would not compare for me.
 
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