As a gay (SSA) Catholic, I'm exhausted

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That euthanasia is gravely evil is a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith. If someone’s “conscience” tells them otherwise then their conscience is wrong.
 
Don’t you like correcting people with what the Catholic Church teaches?
 
I just said I don’t like to judge. You can judge all you want, that is for you to decide if that is what you want to do.
 
VanitasVanitatum said:
Don’t you like correcting people with what the Catholic Church teaches?
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Like? Not really. I do it if I see somebody in error and I think they aren’t aware of the error. For my friends who use artificial birth control, no I don’t correct them. They know what the church teaches. They are not in any need of Correction.
 
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JMMJ said:
I actually do know some Catholics who believe in elective euthanasia. Again, it is a matter of conscience. And like it or not, they are still Catholics and they are still members of the Church.
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Conscience is like a compass that guides people in unfamiliar situations towards the true “moral” north. But just as a faulty compass will lead people astray, a faulty or ill-formed conscience will lead people into error. The Catechism states that while we “must always obey the certain judgment of [our] conscience,” it’s possible our conscience can make an “erroneous judgment” due to ignorance or even blindness caused by sin (CCC 1790-1791).
IV. ERRONEOUS JUDGMENT

1790 A human being must always obey the certain judgment of his conscience. If he were deliberately to act against it, he would condemn himself. Yet it can happen that moral conscience remains in ignorance and makes erroneous judgments about acts to be performed or already committed.

1791 This ignorance can often be imputed to personal responsibility. This is the case when a man "takes little trouble to find out what is true and good, or when conscience is by degrees almost blinded through the habit of committing sin."59 In such cases, the person is culpable for the evil he commits.

1792 Ignorance of Christ and his Gospel, bad example given by others, enslavement to one’s passions, assertion of a mistaken notion of autonomy of conscience, rejection of the Church’s authority and her teaching, lack of conversion and of charity: these can be at the source of errors of judgment in moral conduct.

1793 If - on the contrary - the ignorance is invincible, or the moral subject is not responsible for his erroneous judgment, the evil committed by the person cannot be imputed to him. It remains no less an evil, a privation, a disorder. One must therefore work to correct the errors of moral conscience.

1794 A good and pure conscience is enlightened by true faith, for charity proceeds at the same time "from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith."60

The more a correct conscience prevails, the more do persons and groups turn aside from blind choice and try to be guided by objective standards of moral conduct.61
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VanitasVanitatum said:
Any examples?
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Sure. I have one friend who works a full-time job all week. She spends her evenings and weekends sewing blankets for homeless people in the shelters and she goes and distributes them at the shelters along with bag lunches that she makes for those who are hungry. She does this week after week year after year.

She also believes that euthanasia should be available as an option to those who are terminally ill and in chronic pain. She advocates for that kind of legislation. And she seems to be a good Catholic and goes to mass every Sunday and fulfills her obligations as in her church as well.
 
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Your profile is hidden. Rather than assume, I’ll ask: Are you a baptized and practicing Catholic ?
As for your friend, if she understands Church teaching on euthanasia and regardless, publicly advocates in favor of it, she is committing heresy. As are all who understand, but still obstinately deny a truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith. That’s Canon Law. If people who are in the mortal sin of heresy receive the Eucharist, they are then committing sacrilege.
 
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Are we to believe that one can persist in obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith, and still be a “good Catholic?” Fascinating. I certainly wouldn’t consider myself a “good Catholic” if I persisted in obstinate post-baptismal denial of some truth which must be believed with divine and catholic faith.
 
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Can anyone provide an example of a saint who advocated for birth control and for euthanasia, or any other issue the Church opposes? We are supposed to follow the path of holiness. It is sadly mistaken to call proclaiming the truth wrongheaded “judgement.” We are expected by Christ to speak the truth in love. True love–not false sentimentality–speaks the truth even if inconvenient.This kind of love doesn’t care about “feelings” as much as cares about our neighbor’s eternal life.
 
prayerrider said:
What exactly is it you want the Church to do?
Single, celibate and chaste is the only calling of all who have an exclusively homosexual orientation. There is no "calling’ for same sex marriage. That is the Church teaching. It is certainly no secret. Do you believe that teaching is wrong?
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No, I don’t believe in same-sex marriage.
I think I’ve adequately addressed how the Church is failing and has failed gay people. My post #131 pretty adequately addresses that, so read it again. And #134

No one wanted to comment on, “To be blunt, its posts like several of the ones in the last 20 posts that caused a huge number of gay people to become priests, that probably shouldn’t have. Just saying. Not working out too well is it?”

Most of the celibate saints you point to were monks or nuns. A few posts on here have suggested that would be a good path. Well, maybe for a few. If 5-10% of Americans are gay, then thats 16-32 million people. They all can’t be monks and nuns.

And, what can the Church do? How about the very prior post to yours I said that not a single vocations panel I’m aware of has ever had a single person on it. Not at retreats I’ve been at, not at retreats my friends have been on and told me about it. If the Church wants millions of people to live single life, they’re going to need examples. How about include it on a vocations panel. How about preaching a homily on it once in a while? How many homilies are preached on marriage and married life? Maybe one a year would be nice. One every 5 years. I’ve NEVER heard a homily talk about single life much at all, other than just listing it in the number of vocations. Has anyone here ever heard a homily about it?

Once again, if you think the status quo is working, you’re living under a rock!
The Church is failing in this area. And, I don’t need people on CAF to agree with me to know I’m right. I have had many orthodox priests say that to me, young priests. Priests affiliated with EWTN. Etc. If you think the status quo is working, then fine. Believe that. You should care about the salvation of souls.

Also what are these “myriad of resources”? As I proved earlier, someone had found an ex-gay ministry, which the Church rejects. One was pro-gay. And that left only Courage, which isn’t even available to many people. As I said in post #131.

What do I want the Church to do? How about not tell me to never talk about this to anyone outside of confession. Can you agree on that? How are we ever going to deal with these issues in our lives if we’re told to keep it secret to everyone except the priests? You know, they’re busy. They are asking the lay people to step up and evangelize. Millions of gay people aren’t going to join the Church if the lay people don’t step up in this area. That’s a fact.
 
The problem is that people are often afraid of the truth. As for statistics, the average actively homosexual man has thousands of sexual partners by the time he is 30 years old.Not only does that take a huge toll on someone’s psyche, it also easily spreads disease. The tragedy today in the Church is that there are so many people within both the clergy and laity trying to normalize and rationalize the gay identity, despite the terrible homosexual scandals in the church, trying to live in both world is a recipe for spiritual death.
 
It’s not really possible to solve those issues on an online forum.
 
Gab123 said:
The problem is that people are often afraid of the truth. As for statistics, the average actively homosexual man has thousands of sexual partners by the time he is 30 years old.
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Uhhhh, when was OnAJourney claiming that people should be sexually active with the same sex? You seem to be very good at responding to straw men.
 
phil19034 said:
The fourth is the consecrated life. But they are often forgotten for some reason.

If we gave the consecrated life more attention, that might help people with SSA find purpose within the Church, if they are not called to priesthood, monastic/Religious life.
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It was this reply, which is a good post, and I don’t disagree with. But “if they’re not called to priesthood/ religious life”. Well, 16-32 million people aren’t called to be priests and monks/ nuns. Furthermore, how many heads would explode if even a fraction of them did? Don’t people on CAF want to purge all the gay priests and religious anyways?

The catechism tells us that the number of people who are same-sex attracted is not negligible. And again, this really shouldn’t be an argument. Y’all should be able to agree that the Church has not done well. Maybe pray about it, idk. God willing, I’m going to win as many of those souls for Christ and His Church as I can. Y’all should want to as well.

The entire attitude of a number of posters is very blase. Apathetic. Indifferent. Etc, etc.
This a new challenge for the Church in which she hasn’t done well. Anyone should be able to agree that the Church needs to do better. And I guess that means change. In my personal life, I’m a bit averse to change myself. But, I don’t see any other reason for this apathetic additude. That the Church has all the resources you could possibly want on this, other than aversion to change.

Talk to a young orthodox priest on this. I suspect if you said, “do you think the Church needs to do more” on this front, they would share my view, and not the other view represented on this thread.
 
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