As controversial as it is... Spanish Civil War

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redbetta said:
Funny, last time I checked, checks and balances is still a thing.
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Yes, they are ‘still a thing’, as you put it, but when both houses of Congress are controlled by the President’s party, and the Supreme Court bids fair to follow suit within the very near future, then the concept of judicial and legislative checks on the executive branch becomes theoretical at best. Add in to the mix a POTUS who seems to fervently desire the sweeping powers of an absolute monarch, and who brazenly admires and wishes to emulate two of the most brutal dictators on the current world stage, then all the criteria for a possible future slide into fascism for the USA would appear to have been met. Tis_Bearself is quite right that my prior comment was irresponsible hyperbole, for which I can only apologise and ask the forum’s forgiveness. But please know that my concern arises from profound distress at the attempts to undermine the foundations of our democratic republic by putting party politics and loyalty to one man above the upholding of some of the values our country has always prized: family, hospitality, and civil discourse.
 
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kill051 said:
when both houses of Congress are controlled by the President’s party, and the Supreme Court bids fair to follow suit within the very near future,
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That’s a ‘yes’ and ‘no’ kind of thing. A lot of folks in the Republican Party really don’t care for President Trump and are fighting him every step of the way.

As far as the Supreme Court, if President Trump nominates a conservative it will be split 4-4 with 1 moderate (Roberts)

If Sotomayor and Ginzberg both leave, sure, it will be a solid conservative court. But that’s a long way off.

The only one I’ve heard is quitting other than Kennedy is Thomas who is conservative so replacing him would be no change
 
Civil discourse has been going down hill WAY before Trump was elected. In fact, the other side has shown itself to be more unhinged than Trump. Trump just causes people to drop their facades and show themselves for what they are.
 
redbetta said:
Trump just causes people to drop their facades and show themselves for what they are.
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The President is a funny guy, and he really knows how to bait his adversaries. He plays the opposition (in both parties) like a Stradivarius.
 
kill051 said:
when both houses of Congress are controlled by the President’s party, and the Supreme Court bids fair to follow suit within the very near future, then the concept of judicial and legislative checks on the executive branch becomes theoretical at best.
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Speaking as a lifelong registered Democrat and lawyer, no, they do not.

Please remain calm and if you don’t like what is going on in the Congress or the White House, feel free to continue trying to vote the people you don’t like out. We are still quite free to do that. Probably more free than back in the days when LBJ supporters stuffed ballot boxes.
 
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Arkansan said:
The executions were justified by the crimes committed by the executed.
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Except the crime is only relevant when the very nature of it shows that they are a threat to human life. Beyond that, you also have to prove that there was no other possible way to protect human life from them.
 
Commies are much more of a threat to human life than ordinary criminals.
 
Yeah…I’m just going to leave you with what the catechism says:
2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.

If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically nonexistent.”
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kill051 said:
It is now, and has been since the 2017 inauguration of the current POTUS.
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How is the USA a dictatorship cloaked on democracy? Trump won and that is that. How exactly is he a dictator? A dictator isn’t simply someone whose decisions you disagree with. And you will get a chance to vote him out next time around if you wish.
 
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Tis_Bearself said:
Speaking as a lifelong registered Democrat and lawyer, no, they do not.
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But doesn’t the Steel Seizure case say that presidential power fluctuates with Congress and that sometimes he has almost unlimited power?

I’m a Brit so I’m not 100% certain but my research revealed that checks and balances don’t operate as the founders intended because of ‘factions’ (political parties). I’ll have to dust off my copy of the federalist papers and refresh my memory.
 
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Avowed racists are up there too, in the hierarchy of undesirables. Just saying, broseph.
 
BoomBoomMancini said:
Avowed racists are up there too
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Figuring out who an avowed racist is, that requires vetting as well. Looking at their social media posts and scoring them on insensitivity should be something to consider for anyone at the border.
 
Oh, sometimes they tell you loud and proud on the Catholic Answers forums.
 
The Communists were planning to take over Spain. They were killing Bishops, Priests, Nuns and laypeople. A Catholic found wearing a medal could be shot on the spot. The persecution of the Church was severe. I thank Franco for preventing Spain from falling to the Communists. Franco was no saint, but he was when compared to the Communists.
 
Saxum said:
They were killing Bishops, Priests, Nuns and laypeople.
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A number of these people slaughtered by the (Spanish) Republicans have already been canonized as martyrs.

A total of 6,800 were killed, 1,875 have been beatified, and 11 are recognized as saints.
 
Thanks for sharing these statistics. I’m happy these heroic people who died for Christ are being recognised. I read a biography of Saint Josemaria Escrivá and was shocked to learn about the horrors of the Spanish civil war. Reading that book made me sympathetic to Franco because he protected the Faithful. I’m not an expert on Franco’s politics or his subsequent rule, but I’ll always be grateful to him for protecting the Church.
 
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