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steve99
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I’ve been pondering this whole thing of forgiveness.
What do we mean by forgiveness?
We seem to use the term “forgive” in two totally different contexts.
The first I’ll call psychological, as espoused by the definition used by Fr. Jim McManus who writes and talks on the topic of forgiveness, “the willingness to abandon one’s right to resentment, negative judgement and indifferent behaviour toward one who unjustly injured us, while fostering the undeserved qualities of compassion, generosity, and even love toward him.”
This is about our mental health because holding on to feelings of anger, bitterness etc will eat us up. But according to Fr. McManus this kind of forgiving doesn’t mean we act as if no offence has been committed and that we retain the right to seek retribution by the appropriate authorities.
The other context of forgiveness is juridical. Then the concepts are guilt & punishment. These are the two liabilities that Karl Keating mentions is his “Primer on Indulgences” tract.
This seems to be the way we view forgiveness of sins. In this God does seem to put aside the offence and retribution (or rather Jesus has already paid it.)
When we pray “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us” are we using forgiveness in two different ways?
If so then how can we ask God to forgive us as we forgive others if we are using different meanings to forgiveness?
Then again are we required to forgive others unconditionally? Some people say yes, others no.
Does God forgive us unconditionally?
Finally where do repentance and restitution come in?
I’m particularly interested in this from the aspect of forgiving others (hence the title of the thread.
P.S. I’m sure this must have come up before so if anyone can point me to a thread that covers this please do so.
What do we mean by forgiveness?
We seem to use the term “forgive” in two totally different contexts.
The first I’ll call psychological, as espoused by the definition used by Fr. Jim McManus who writes and talks on the topic of forgiveness, “the willingness to abandon one’s right to resentment, negative judgement and indifferent behaviour toward one who unjustly injured us, while fostering the undeserved qualities of compassion, generosity, and even love toward him.”
This is about our mental health because holding on to feelings of anger, bitterness etc will eat us up. But according to Fr. McManus this kind of forgiving doesn’t mean we act as if no offence has been committed and that we retain the right to seek retribution by the appropriate authorities.
The other context of forgiveness is juridical. Then the concepts are guilt & punishment. These are the two liabilities that Karl Keating mentions is his “Primer on Indulgences” tract.
This seems to be the way we view forgiveness of sins. In this God does seem to put aside the offence and retribution (or rather Jesus has already paid it.)
When we pray “forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those that trespass against us” are we using forgiveness in two different ways?
If so then how can we ask God to forgive us as we forgive others if we are using different meanings to forgiveness?
Then again are we required to forgive others unconditionally? Some people say yes, others no.
Does God forgive us unconditionally?
Finally where do repentance and restitution come in?
I’m particularly interested in this from the aspect of forgiving others (hence the title of the thread.
P.S. I’m sure this must have come up before so if anyone can point me to a thread that covers this please do so.