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Jerusha:
I found this yesterday. I find the last sentence to be extremely offensive, but what is your reaction?

jewsforjudaism.org/web/Mormons/convertajew.html
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I don’t find it offensive at all. Modern LDS don’t accept that view and it’s quite dishonest to suggest they do. I do find it laughable that this group (Jews for Judaism) view evangelization efforts towards them as some sort of a persecution. They need to get over themselves.
 
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Tmaque:
I don’t find it offensive at all. Modern LDS don’t accept that view and it’s quite dishonest to suggest they do. I do find it laughable that this group (Jews for Judaism) view evangelization efforts towards them as some sort of a persecution. They need to get over themselves.
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Latter-day Saints missionaries, heed Brigham Young’s advice concerning the Jewish people, go home and convert a Lamanite!
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This is what I found offensive-- siccing the mishies on to American Indians.

I think that since LDS people believe that these are the “Last Days”, it is now acceptable to convert Jews.

As for people of Jewish heritage who find the Catholic Church and embrace it, I welcome them. For religious Jews who are not interested in Christianity, I accept them. Aggressive prostelytization only alienates.
 
This is what I found offensive-- siccing the mishies on to American Indians.

Aggressive prostelytization only alienates.
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Any type of prostelytization will be deemed aggressive by those that are not prepared by Heavenly Father to receive the Gospel. The scriptures say that Heavenly Father draws to himself all those that he will. Unfortunately, we do not know who or where they are, so we are command to go out into the entire world, and hopefully find those who have been prepared to recognize the Gospel when they hear it. It is hard on our young missionaries to endure some of the reactions they receive - For example, being given a glass of whiskey instead of the promised cool glass of water on a hot day.

Why wouldn’t we present the Gospel to our First Nations People? Yes, and I know the history, and I know there is great distrust and animosity to the “white man” by many, but we are all Heavenly Fathers children. We all have the right to accept or reject the Gospel. So I am sure that those who have not been prepared afore by Heavenly Father will find it an intrusion and an offence. However, there are some First Nations People that don’t feel that way, have recognized the Gospel, and have put their mistrust aside.
 
This is what I found offensive-- siccing the mishies on to American Indians.
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Jerusha,
I don’t understand your position that proselytizing to American Indians is somehow offensive. You may not agree with our doctrine but must admit that we THINK we have the truth and our intentions to share it with others including American Indians are not in any way malicious. We believe we have something of value and are offering it others. How can that be deemed offensive?
 
The way it is done. The intrusive and aggressiveness of the prostelytization.
 
This is what I found offensive-- siccing the mishies on to American Indians.

I think that since LDS people believe that these are the “Last Days”, it is now acceptable to convert Jews.

As for people of Jewish heritage who find the Catholic Church and embrace it, I welcome them. For religious Jews who are not interested in Christianity, I accept them. Aggressive prostelytization only alienates.
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Two things:
  1. It is ironic that you find LDS proselytization of Native Americans offensive when our own Church indirectly forced millions of them to convert at the point of a sword.
  2. The vast majority of LDS missionaries are not aggressive. I should know, I was one for two years. If a missionary is being aggressive he will be reprimanded, I guarantee it.
 
our own Church indirectly forced millions of them to convert at the point of a sword.
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That was under the Spanish Conquistadores. Their philosophy on conversion was influenced by the fact that they had only recently been re-converted from Islam.

When a man visiting a Mormon tourist site gets thirsty, must he and his family be forced to watch a Mormon propalganda film just in order to get a drink of water?
 
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Jerusha:
That was under the Spanish Conquistadores. Their philosophy on conversion was influenced by the fact that they had only recently been re-converted from Islam.

When a man visiting a Mormon tourist site gets thirsty, must he and his family be forced to watch a Mormon propalganda film just in order to get a drink of water?
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If that happened that was wrong. That sort of behavior is frowned upon and is entirely un-Mormon.
 
Tmaque, thank you for your comment. Yes, it actually happened. Other things like that continue to happen— probably a matter of their supreme self-assurance that there is no other way of thinking. :rolleyes:

Maybe the comment in the linked article has more to do with an assumption on his part that American Indians have not learned other ways of dealing with problems over the past 150 years-- than violence?
 
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Tmaque:
I don’t find it offensive at all. Modern LDS don’t accept that view and it’s quite dishonest to suggest they do. I do find it laughable that this group (Jews for Judaism) view evangelization efforts towards them as some sort of a persecution. They need to get over themselves.
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Why? I find it irksome and somewhat persecuting to find myself waking up early in the morning to the knocking of every Mormon and watchtower type who wants to convert me because I am a miserable Catholic. I understand exactly where these Jews are coming from. I sympathise completely with them and I wish the LDS and the JW’s would stop running off at the mouth at my door long enough to hear something decent in God.
 
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stillsearching:
Why? I find it irksome and somewhat persecuting to find myself waking up early in the morning to the knocking of every Mormon and watchtower type who wants to convert me because I am a miserable Catholic. I understand exactly where these Jews are coming from. I sympathise completely with them and I wish the LDS and the JW’s would stop running off at the mouth at my door long enough to hear something decent in God.
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I always see it as an opportunity to plant a seed, and make a friend.
 
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Tmaque:
Two things:
  1. It is ironic that you find LDS proselytization of Native Americans offensive when our own Church indirectly forced millions of them to convert at the point of a sword.
  2. The vast majority of LDS missionaries are not aggressive. I should know, I was one for two years. If a missionary is being aggressive he will be reprimanded, I guarantee it.
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I think there needs to be a distinction drawn between evangelization and proselytization. The former is acceptable while the latter is not. There is no sin in sharing your faith with those who are willing to listen, or in defending your faith from those who wrongfully attack it. But, it is a sin to use force, intimidation, or fear to convert others. Some LDS missionaries may walk a fine line, but not in my experience.

Peace,

P.S. I would always give a thirsty LDS missionary a glass of cool water, unless of course he asked for a cold beer instead. 😃
 
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Tmaque:
I always see it as an opportunity to plant a seed, and make a friend.
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That is your way. But you see, a trouble we have developed recently in Catholicism is the failure to remember that God created us as unique individuals and all things are gifted providentially. Including the polite refusal to discuss God at the front door with those obviously consumed with other than the Holy Spirit. Some see opportunity to plant seeds. Some see an opportunity to refuse to play with the obtuse. Both are correct.
 
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Jerusha:
When a man visiting a Mormon tourist site gets thirsty, must he and his family be forced to watch a Mormon propalganda film just in order to get a drink of water?
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Are you joking? I’d be pretty surprised if this really happened and if it did it certainly isn’t policy. The church has a lot of experience proselytizing and has determined which methods work and which don’t and I’m pretty sure withholding water and forcing someone to watch a movie would NOT be considered an effective proselytizing method. Honestly, we can’t FORCE someone to join us and certainly wouldn’t try.
 
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Casen:
Are you joking? I’d be pretty surprised if this really happened and if it did it certainly isn’t policy. The church has a lot of experience proselytizing and has determined which methods work and which don’t and I’m pretty sure withholding water and forcing someone to watch a movie would NOT be considered an effective proselytizing method. Honestly, we can’t FORCE someone to join us and certainly wouldn’t try.
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How would you characterize the boarding of native american children with LDS families?
 
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majick275:
How would you characterize the boarding of native american children with LDS families?
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how would you characterize the catholic schools in the third world were you have to be catholic to get an education
 
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