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Charlie_Zeaiter
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In some Eastern Churches, Lent begins on Ash Monday and not Ash Wednesday.
Does anybody know why?
Does anybody know why?
It is called the first day of the Great Fast and NOT ASH MONDAY!In some Eastern Churches, Lent begins on Ash Monday and not Ash Wednesday.
Does anybody know why?
The Maronites do, Ung.It is called the first day of the Great Fast and NOT ASH MONDAY!
No Eastern Church uses ashes, that is a Latin Particular Church custom. It is a day of Strict Fast, no meat, no dairy.
Ung
Is that not another example of a Latinization?
That it may very well be… and?Is that not another example of a Latinization?
Ung
I was at a Maronite Qurbono tonight and the priest who is extremely against Latinizations (and understandable so), mentioned how the ritual was inherited from the Roman Church. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, the distribution of ashes, but it’s not an authentic Maronite tradition. The Maronites, from what I can gather (reading, attending Qurbono, talking with parishioners, etc) have an extremely hard time with their liturgy and trying to keep it distinctly Syro-Antiochene, Maronite specifically.That it may very well be… and?
You asserted it was not found in eastern churches. It is there, Latinization or not…
In the case of the Maronites, without corresponding non-Catholic counterpart, it is kind of difficult to expect them to not evolve or reform liturgies in any fashion, and if to do so to do so exclusively from neighboring Eastern liturgical families.
And as Latinized as they may be, my brief time with them for a few months in Cali when I could ride a bus to their parish but not ours, something refreshing about them (at times) was in response to my question “Is that a Latinization?” was generally “That’s just how we do.” The somewhat laidback approach to what is a Maronite tradition seemed to work for them. “Its ours, we do what we want” I guess.
It is in fact a complicated issue, with some parties looking for restoration of pre-Roman influence, some liking the status quo of todays post conciliar liturgy, and a third (smallest) party promoting a return to the much more heavily latinized pre-Vatican II “Marinonite Mass”. (The SSPX supports such an effort, having an affiliated monastery in Scotland where two or three Maronites celebrate the “old rite” in fiddlebacks at high altars. I kid you not!)I was at a Maronite Qurbono tonight and the priest who is extremely against Latinizations (and understandable so), mentioned how the ritual was inherited from the Roman Church. It’s not necessarily a bad thing, the distribution of ashes, but it’s not an authentic Maronite tradition. The Maronites, from what I can gather (reading, attending Qurbono, talking with parishioners, etc) have an extremely hard time with their liturgy and trying to keep it distinctly Syro-Antiochene, Maronite specifically.
From what I understand, there’s a strong movement in the Maronite Church to return to the days before the Roman Church “dropped the bomb on them” so to speak.
Alaha minokhoun
Andrew
It is called the first day of the Great Fast and NOT ASH MONDAY!
No Eastern Church uses ashes, that is a Latin Particular Church custom. It is a day of Strict Fast, no meat, no dairy.
Ung
Ashes, like dust, “are a very eloquent sign of weakness, **of sin **and of the mortality of man,” and to receive them one recognizes his limitation, the cardinal affirmed. Wealth, knowledge, glory, power, titles and dignities, he said, “do nothing for us.”I just visited a Latin parish for Ash Wednesday. I asked the priest why they put on the ashes. He told me that it is a symbol of our need for Christ in our sinfulness, and the penitent attitude we are to have during Lent.
That sold me.
Monday of first week of Great Fast is called Clean Monday (чистый понедельник) because many families are to clean their houses from the things of Maslenitsa (last week of Lenten preparation) because during such time often many eat blyny and have some amusements. This is not a Church name - this is just traditional name. Interesting that it is translated as Pure Monday by some above giving it a more “spiritual” implication that its name deserves. But first several days of Great Fast are very important for sorrow for sins.The 40-day Great Fast begins after Forgiveness Vespers on the eve of Clean Monday,