Ash wednesday changed to thursday

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as wed. is new zealands national day, permission has being given by the bishops to allow some of the parishes in the sth. of auckland to have ash wed. on thurs.this is to fit into the cultures of some polynesian peoples. what a disgrace. i suppose when nz day falls on a sunday they will be excused mass.
 
A pathetic reason to my mind. If it’s a holiday it’s easier to get to Church, so why move the day!

I am against moving any feasts.
 
In the USA Catholics should be thankful the secular society still observes Christmas on 25 December. I suppose if the secular society ignored Christmas the US Bishops would be tempted to move it to the nearest Sunday, or to remove the Mass obligation whenever it fell on Monday or Saturday, since that seems to be the extent of their thought processes re: Holy Days.
 
AlexV said:
In the USA Catholics should be thankful the secular society still observes Christmas on 25 December. I suppose if the secular society ignored Christmas the US Bishops would be tempted to move it to the nearest Sunday, or to remove the Mass obligation whenever it fell on Monday or Saturday, since that seems to be the extent of their thought processes re: Holy Days.
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Hah, are you kidding me? Secular society in the US will never ditch Christmas on December 25…think of the billions of dollars in economic activity it generates! 😛
 
A couple of years ago the Vietnamese were given worldwide permission to delay Ash Wednesday a week because of a conflict with Tet, the lunar New Year. That permission came from Rome.

Our parish is about 1/3 Vietnamese; so we had two Ash Wednesdays that year.

It just misses this year; Tet is Thursday. It does conflict with some of the preliminary celebrations, but they are working the celebrations around Ash Wednesday.

On the other hand Ireland is moving St Patrick’s day to March 14 to avoid Holy Week, which cannot be moved.
 
Anyone noticed that St. Patrick’s day falls on Monday of Holy Week and St. Joseph’s day falls on Wednesday of Holy Week. St. Pat’s has been moved back to Saturday but I can’t find anything yet about St. Joseph.
 
Personally, I think that Ash Wednesday should be on a Wednesday, not on a Thursday. It is not Ash Thursday. :tsktsk:
 
The rules regarding Solemnities is that they can be moved (such as St Joseph in our Diocese moved to Sat before Palm Sunday) but Feast days cannot be moved. They must be dropped.

So St Pats day would be moved if the Feast was elevated to a Solemnity by the community (such as in Ireland?) but dropped otherwise. I know Triduum would eliminate the feast, but I don’t know about Monday of Holy Week in the Latin Rite.

Solemnities of the Lord supersede Sundays in Ordinary Time, Christmas and Easter (not advent or lent) (not sure on lent). It’s really a complicated thing, but it’s all listed in Volume I of the Liturgy of the Hours.

PS… I’m doing this off the top of my head. So I could be in error.
 
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Anyone noticed that St. Patrick’s day falls on Monday of Holy Week and St. Joseph’s day falls on Wednesday of Holy Week. St. Pat’s has been moved back to Saturday but I can’t find anything yet about St. Joseph.
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Saint Joseph’s is on Saturday, the 15th in our diocese, and I think worldwide. The Annunciation has been moved to the second Monday after Easter, March 31. St Patrick’s has been supressed except in those places where it is celebrated as a solemnity; most such places, e.g. Ireland, have moved it to Friday March 14, though it is possible some may have chosen to move it to Tuesday April 1.

Holy Week, and the weekdays after Easter, take precedence over all other days. Feasts and memorials which conflict are suppressed. Solemnities must be moved to the next available day. In this case St Joseph’s was moved back rather than forward to avoid conflict with the Annunciation. Both St Joseph’s and the Annunciation have priority over St Patrick’s even where it is celebrated as a Solemnity; so it must move one more day. The Irish bishops requested, and received, permission to move it back rather than forward to keep it closer to the 17th.
 
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