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Hope you guys dont mind. I will paste in the Lenten Rules for Australia, Brisbane Diocese . It should be the same across our country.

Is it the same in the states?

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Days of Fast and Abstinence
FASTING & ABSTINENCE
Ash Wednesday and Good Friday are days of fast and abstinence.
The practice of fasting was recommended by Christ, both by example and by teaching. The Didache, a church order dating from the late first or early second century, mentions Wednesday and Friday as being regular fast days. Originally, fasting meant entire abstinence from food for whole or part of the fast day.
In current Catholic practice, fasting means having only one full meal on a day. Smaller quantities of food may be eaten at two other meals but no food should be consumed at any other time during the day.
Abstinence is the practice of abstaining from the use of certain kinds of food. From early Christian times hermits practised abstinence. St Anthony and his followers, for example, abstained from all food except bread, salt and water. The Eastern Church continues the strict ancient rule of abstinence from meat, eggs, dairy products, oil and wine during the whole of Lent. Catholics were once well known for their practice of abstaining from meat on Fridays.
After the Second Vatican Council the often complicated rules concerning fasting and abstinence were simplified while the continuing need for such practices was re-emphasised. The use of other forms of penance, particularly works of charity or piety, was also encouraged.
The present laws took effect in 1966. The law of fasting applies to people from 18 to 59 years old. Everyone aged 14 years and older is bound by the law of abstinence from meat.
The spirit of the law may invite us to extend the fast to things other than food – television or computer games, gambling or gossiping. The minimum fasting requirements make most sense when they are combined with prayer and almsgiving. These age-old disciplines reflect our most fundamental concerns: our relationship with God (prayer), with our bodies (fasting) and with others (almsgiving).
The purpose of fasting and abstinence is not to punish but to teach us a detachment from whatever may keep us from God. Turning our hearts more toward God and less toward food helps make us more disciplined and more charitable. In addition, the practice helps us imitate the example of Jesus who fasted for 40 days in preparation for his ministry and provides a means of expressing our common repentance.
The season of Lent is our annual invitation to grow in awareness of our spiritual hungers. Together with those preparing for baptism, we join in outward signs of our inner conversion.
The sixth-century Rule of Benedict still holds true: “During these days of Lent …… let us all deny ourselves some food, drink, sleep, needless talking and idle jesting, and look forward to holy Easter with joy and spiritual longing” (Chapter 49).
 
We have a choice in Aus. Fast, penance, almsgiving. Just NO meat.
Can you check with your parish. If you are experiencing those symptoms, it might be best to get medical checkup first.
My archdiocese (an Australian capital city) makes clear that Ash Wednesday is a day both of fast (meaning 1 main meal and no more than 2 smaller meals) and abstinence (no meat). The two are not the same thing.

We aren’t required to abstain or fast on the Fridays of Lent (except Good Friday).
 
My archdiocese (an Australian capital city) makes clear that Ash Wednesday is a day both of fast (meaning 1 main meal and no more than 2 smaller meals) and abstinence (no meat). The two are not the same thing.

We aren’t required to abstain or fast on the Fridays of Lent (except Good Friday).
+1. I had read our newsletter wrongly, taking age and illness for a choice on the rules. Our priest had a chat about it last night.

Midweek masses were full today. And the music was pretty special.
 
My archdiocese (an Australian capital city) makes clear that Ash Wednesday is a day both of fast (meaning 1 main meal and no more than 2 smaller meals) and abstinence (no meat). The two are not the same thing.

We aren’t required to abstain or fast on the Fridays of Lent (except Good Friday).
The RC Church in the U.S. has the same rules.
 
I don’t know if this is helpful or not but,
here is a link to the February 2017 Maronite Voice magazine put out by the Maronite Eparchies in the USA. On Page 8 you’ll see a summary of traditional Maronite fasting. But, I’m not sure this is the kind of documentation you’re looking for.
by “meat and meat-by-product” they mean anything that comes from an animal.
 
Whats the definition of byproduct?
anything that comes from an animal from which we are to abstain: mammal or fowl.
If we cant have milk, what happens to all the infants?
Nothing. Infants and children don’t fast or abstain.
Do you have a link to the exact wording of that old rule.
Not handy.
For the record , I was talking with my priest last night about abstinence from meat. Since I am a vegetarian. He said cheese was fine to eat. I am in Australia, which may be different from your country.
Yes, meat by-products are completely fine under the current fast and abstinence rules, universally in the Latin Rite.

Eastern Rites are different.
 
I’m trying not to overthink the “rules” of the Ash Wednesday/Good Friday fast…as the whole point of fast is to follow Christ’s example, and as a means of penance and to keep yourself disciplined.

For me, I love coffee. The “rules” might permit it but because I love coffee I won’t have it today or Good Friday. I hope to think of it as an act of penance. The same is true for my iPhone. I spend a lot of time on it playing games, surfing to my favorite sites, etc. I’m trying to spend less time with those activities today as I feel that’s also a “fast” in its own way.
 
I’m trying not to overthink the “rules” of the Ash Wednesday/Good Friday fast…as the whole point of fast is to follow Christ’s example, and as a means of penance and to keep yourself disciplined.

For me, I love coffee. The “rules” might permit it but because I love coffee I won’t have it today or Good Friday. I hope to think of it as an act of penance. The same is true for my iPhone. I spend a lot of time on it playing games, surfing to my favorite sites, etc. I’m trying to spend less time with those activities today as I feel that’s also a “fast” in its own way.
Very cool. Kudos.

And now, speaking for myself only.

There is no way in creation I’m staying away from coffee. Even Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. Booze, yes. Steak, yes. Sweets, yes.

But you are going to pry my coffee cup out of my cold, dead hands.
 
anything that comes from an animal from which we are to abstain: mammal or fowl. P

Nothing. Infants and children don’t fast or abstain.

Not handy.

Yes, meat by-products are completely fine under the current fast and abstinence rules, universally in the Latin Rite.

Eastern Rites are different.
Thanks 1ke.
Being a scientist, I am still getting my head around how definitions are used differently in some respects. I would be sacked if I used that definition in a professional setting. Especially if it related to putting a food constituent in a commercial food stuff and labelling it as such.

But its a different setting here. 😇

Have a wonderful Ash Wednesday.
 
I’m trying not to overthink the “rules” of the Ash Wednesday/Good Friday fast…as the whole point of fast is to follow Christ’s example, and as a means of penance and to keep yourself disciplined.

For me, I love coffee. The “rules” might permit it but because I love coffee I won’t have it today or Good Friday. I hope to think of it as an act of penance. The same is true for my iPhone. I spend a lot of time on it playing games, surfing to my favorite sites, etc. I’m trying to spend less time with those activities today as I feel that’s also a “fast” in its own way.
I certainly agree with you that limiting those activities can be considered a “fast”. I don’t have an iPhone, however, I am limiting myself on my computer during Lent and not just on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday but Mon - Sat as a penance and fast.
 
Eating only 3 meals in a day makes you “lethargic or painfully hungry”? You can drink juice or milk anytime during the day.
I wasn’t aware that you could drink milk in between! Juice I heard if you’re voluntarily fasting, but wouldn’t milk be a food as it cones from a cow?
 
I certainly agree with you that limiting those activities can be considered a “fast”. I don’t have an iPhone, however, I am limiting myself on my computer during Lent and not just on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday but Mon - Sat as a penance and fast.
I’m doing the same on the internet during Lent also, and not listening to my music today or Fridays during Lent. I am drinking coffee though as I get too grouchy without it. However my home made Lattes are out until Easter. Now, if I can keep all of them…
 
My trick is protein and some fat. Protein bar for breakfast. Tuna salad on a slice of bread for lunch. Tuna salad keeps me going longer than anything else I tried. Then my regular dinner, maybe baked fish with rice. A bottle of Gatorade during the day to keep my blood sugar up. The goal is to feel hunger but not faint. If you feel shaky, very weak, dizzy, etc, you need to either eat more or eat different foods.
 
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