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AnchoredInHope
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Thank you so very much!Anyone can receive ashes.
Welcome to journey home.
It’s so exciting being able to participate in all these traditions and rituals for the first time and learning so many new things. I’m constantly in tears—nobody ever warned me how dehydrating conversion can be! :idea:
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pianistclare
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When falling in love with Christ, you also fall in love with His Church.
God bless you!
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adrift
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Yep just like on St Blasé day anyone can have their throat blessed.Anyone can receive ashes.
Welcome to journey home.
I have a non-Catholic friend who gives up pop for lent ever since I explained why I gave up things for lent.
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Lily_Bernans
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Sure, you can receive ashes. You can also participate in the Stations of the Cross and other activities. Just about the only thing you can’t do is take Holy Communion. You will do that once you are baptized. You can join the communion line, however, and when you reach the minister, simply cross your arms over your chest indicating you want a blessing instead of communion. Some Catholics even do this when they feel in need of confession before communion or if they have not observed the fast.
The Easter Vigil liturgy is extraordinarily beautiful.
I feel my family has been very blessed. I have seven uncles who are priests! And aunts and cousins who are nuns. I’m glad you are joining us.
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pianistclare
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Everyone present at Mass receives a blessing from the priest at the end of Mass.
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adrift
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Exactly!
There also arises the problem that EMHC’s do not have a commission to bless at Mass.
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Lily_Bernans
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I’m sure the poster knows that!
I think that’s self-evident Clare since he says the words out loud, but the OP, anyone, really, is also welcome in the communion line to receive a blessing. I know Catholics who don’t know that, strangely. I know people who don’t like to sit there when everyone else is going to communion, and in my parish just about the entire congregation receives communion.
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CB_Catholic
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I discovered long ago that on Ash Wednesday I need to arrive EARLY to find a parking place and a seat or standing room on Ash Wednesday. Just a note of caution. This is one day when practically the whole city shows up for Mass.
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adrift
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Where in the GIRM is this authorized?
The reason Catholics don’t know it is because it is untrue. It is an illicit act that is basically not worth correcting.
The Mass Explained
Blessings for Non-Communicants
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Lily_Bernans
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It is not prohibited. You know that, or could have looked it up. Apologist Michelle Arnold wrote about blessing people in the communion line on this site, but this is from EWTN:
ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur81.htm
I’m sure Michelle Arnold would not be performing a prohibited act. Are you? I take it you know how to pull up Ms. Arnold’s posts.
Michelle Arnold, an apologist on this site, is not performing a prohibited act! That is ludicrous! She is also a fully qualified EMHC!
You shouldn’t spread misinformation. A little fact-checking when you don’t know never hurts anyone. I’m a professor of theology, and I fact check.
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Lily_Bernans
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Michelle Arnold, a fully qualified EMHC and a fully qualified apologist on this site does not find the practice “illicit.”
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=989990
The convert is welcome in the communion line for a blessing.
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Lily_Bernans
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Just to clarify, you are saying Michelle Arnold, an apologist on this site, is committing an “illicit act?”
I don’t think she is. I have confidence in her and know she knows what she’s doing and talking about. The Catholic Church has rules, of course, but it is not a “methodist” religion. It is a church of love and welcome.
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adrift
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You are the one who is spreading misinformation.
It was such a laugh that you posted the SAME link I did. Does this mean you didn’t bother to read the links I provided?
Let me post information from that link
As I asked where in the GIRM do you find it? You have not answered. The reason it isn’t there.
Michael Arnold is not a Church authority
This was a private reply and as is noted it isn’t law however it sure carries a lot more weight than Ms Arnold who also does not carry the weight of law and who is less authoritative than a private reply by the Congregation for Divine Worship. You shouldn’t accuse someone of conveying misinformation when you can’t provide an authoritative source such as the GIRM not someone’s unsupported opinion.
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adrift
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Originally Posted by Lily Bernans View Post
It is not prohibited. You know that, or could have looked it up. Apologist Michelle Arnold wrote about blessing people in the communion line on this site, but this is from EWTN:
https://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur81.htm
I’m sure Michelle Arnold would not be performing a prohibited act. Are you? I take it you know how to pull up Ms. Arnold’s posts.
Michelle Arnold, an apologist on this site, is not performing a prohibited act! That is ludicrous! She is also a fully qualified EMHC!
You shouldn’t spread misinformation. A little fact-checking when you don’t know never hurts anyone. I’m a professor of theology, and I fact check.
You are the one who is spreading misinformation.
It was such a laugh that you posted the SAME link I did. Does this mean you didn’t bother to read the links I provided?
Let me post information from that link
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Regarding our comments on blessings for non-communicants (see May 10), a reader asked if my opinion contradicted the following observations made by Archbishop Chaput of Denver, Colorado, in an article from 2003:
"As members of the community move forward to receive holy Communion during Mass, parents will often bring their small children along. Over the years, it has become a custom in many parishes for these children to receive a blessing. I don’t really know where this practice began, but it’s worth some reflection.
"Usually the children in line will look up expectantly at the person distributing holy Communion. The minister then responds by doing one of several things: He or she may pat the child’s head, or touch the head in a sign of blessing, or mark the child’s forehead with a sign of the cross. As warm and well intentioned as the gesture may be, in the context of the liturgy, the Communion procession really isn’t the time for a blessing of children or adults who are unable to receive Communion.
"There are times in the liturgical year when the laity assist in specific acts of blessing, such as the blessing of throats or the distribution of ashes. These are clearly indicated in the Book of Blessings. But extraordinary ministers of holy Communion do not ordinarily have a commission to bless in the name of the Church, as priests and deacons do. At this point in the liturgy, they have a very specific function: to collaborate with the clergy in the distribution of holy Communion.
As I asked where in the GIRM do you find it? You have not answered. The reason it isn’t there.
Michael Arnold is not a Church authority
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In 2008, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments received a letter asking precisely this question. The congregation responded in a private reply with five observations on why this practice is not permitted.
But first, let me note that even though private replies do not have the force of universal law, they typically (and this one especially) contain an excellent analysis and resolution of the issue, giving us a unique look at the practice of the Roman Curia. In other words, this private reply is persuasive not by reason of authority but by the authority of right reason, to which every well-intentioned Catholic should submit. Here are their five observations:
This was a private reply and as is noted it isn’t law however it sure carries a lot more weight than Ms Arnold who also does not carry the weight of law and who is less authoritative than a private reply by the Congregation for Divine Worship. You shouldn’t accuse someone of conveying misinformation when you can’t provide an authoritative source such as the GIRM not someone’s unsupported opinion.
Originally Posted by Lily Bernans View Post
It is not prohibited. You know that, or could have looked it up. Apologist Michelle Arnold wrote about blessing people in the communion line on this site, but this is from EWTN:
https://www.ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/zlitur81.htm
I’m sure Michelle Arnold would not be performing a prohibited act. Are you? I take it you know how to pull up Ms. Arnold’s posts.
Michelle Arnold, an apologist on this site, is not performing a prohibited act! That is ludicrous! She is also a fully qualified EMHC!
You shouldn’t spread misinformation. A little fact-checking when you don’t know never hurts anyone. I’m a professor of theology, and I fact check.
You are the one who is spreading misinformation.
It was such a laugh that you posted the SAME link I did. Does this mean you didn’t bother to read the links I provided?
Let me post information from that link
Quote:
Regarding our comments on blessings for non-communicants (see May 10), a reader asked if my opinion contradicted the following observations made by Archbishop Chaput of Denver, Colorado, in an article from 2003:
"As members of the community move forward to receive holy Communion during Mass, parents will often bring their small children along. Over the years, it has become a custom in many parishes for these children to receive a blessing. I don’t really know where this practice began, but it’s worth some reflection.
"Usually the children in line will look up expectantly at the person distributing holy Communion. The minister then responds by doing one of several things: He or she may pat the child’s head, or touch the head in a sign of blessing, or mark the child’s forehead with a sign of the cross. As warm and well intentioned as the gesture may be, in the context of the liturgy, the Communion procession really isn’t the time for a blessing of children or adults who are unable to receive Communion.
"There are times in the liturgical year when the laity assist in specific acts of blessing, such as the blessing of throats or the distribution of ashes. These are clearly indicated in the Book of Blessings. But extraordinary ministers of holy Communion do not ordinarily have a commission to bless in the name of the Church, as priests and deacons do. At this point in the liturgy, they have a very specific function: to collaborate with the clergy in the distribution of holy Communion.
As I asked where in the GIRM do you find it? You have not answered. The reason it isn’t there.
Michael Arnold is not a Church authority
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In 2008, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments received a letter asking precisely this question. The congregation responded in a private reply with five observations on why this practice is not permitted.
But first, let me note that even though private replies do not have the force of universal law, they typically (and this one especially) contain an excellent analysis and resolution of the issue, giving us a unique look at the practice of the Roman Curia. In other words, this private reply is persuasive not by reason of authority but by the authority of right reason, to which every well-intentioned Catholic should submit. Here are their five observations:
This was a private reply and as is noted it isn’t law however it sure carries a lot more weight than Ms Arnold who also does not carry the weight of law and who is less authoritative than a private reply by the Congregation for Divine Worship. You shouldn’t accuse someone of conveying misinformation when you can’t provide an authoritative source such as the GIRM not someone’s unsupported opinion.
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CJsmommy
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My thread got hijacked!
I’m not sure how I feel about that… I don’t mind, but I wasn’t expecting it to go that way.
I’m not sure how I feel about that… I don’t mind, but I wasn’t expecting it to go that way.
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adrift
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Are you? How can I check that you are indeed a professor of Theology?
It is ironic that you use the very same link I did which makes me believe that you didn’t read my links.
Ms Arnold does not speak for the Church but Fr. Anthony Ward, S.M., Under-Secretary for the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, answered a personal letter asking precisely this question. His response gave clear reasons why this practice is illicit
If you fact checked than where is this granted in the GIRM? The answer is it isn’t. You will not find permission in any Church document. What you will find is that it is discouraged. You won’t find it condemned as I have stated it isn’t worth the trouble but that does not than mean it is a licit act because it is not.
One more again my emphasis
Blessings and Extraordinary Eucharistic Ministers
To quote you “you shouldn’t spread misinformation”
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adrift
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I am sorry
Do you feel you haven’t gotten an answer?
Go to Mass on Ash Wednesday When others go up for ashes join them and God Bless you.
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InThePew
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pianistclare
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This is not a practice that is encouraged.
That’s like going to a fancy restaurant and everyone gets to order something and you have to simply read the menu and imagine what it’s like.
My point, which you completely overlook, is that one should wait to approach in the communion line. There’s nothing that says you are missing something by remaining in the pew to PRAY.
Pray for the day when one is well disposed to receive.
There is nothing magical about “going up for a blessing”.
The RCIA candidates and catechumens are dismissed from Mass “until the day when you can fully partake of the mysteries”. There’s reason why we wait.
It’s make the eventual reception of the Eucharist much more important, beautiful, and worthy of waiting.
It’s not a matter of “just don’t like to sit there”. What’s wrong with that?
Being in the pew is not some sort of cosmic punishment for being on the journey.
In fact, it’s kind of cruel. “OK, come up, but we won’t let you partake”.
Nice.
Not.
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