Ashtanga Yoga - Eight Fold Path of Discipline

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Ashtanga Yoga- Eight Fold Path of Discipline

Yoga is more than just a physical discipline. It is a way of life. It is a way to achieve liberation. The yamas (restraints) and niyamas (observances), in and by themselves, are ten good common-sense guidelines for leading a healthier, happier life for bringing spiritual awareness into a social context. They are for you to think about and ponder over with a rational mind, because yoga is not about mindlessly accepting externally imposed rules—it is about finding the truth for yourself—and ‘connecting’ with it.

Yoga believes in achieving Him through a sound mind in a sound body and does not advocate self mortification. It calls for control of sensual attachments and passions and for this gives an Eight-Fold Path of Discipline ie Ashtanga Yoga.

The first step is adhering to the self restraint as a way of life. This called Yama or Restraints. For a rigorous discipline, there are 10 Yamas, but 5 are the minimal requirement. In fact, Yoga practice or not, they are extempore rules on their own.
  1. Yamas:
    There are many interpretations of and opinions about the yamas and niyamas. While the ancient Indian text, the Bhagavata Purana assigns 12 yogic restraints the Parashar Smriti, another text, puts forward ten. But the yamas as described in Patanjali’s Yoga Sutra are only five, which are also known as the great universal vows or the sarvabhauma maha vratas, because they are not limited by either class, creed, time or circumstances. They are the guidelines for how we interact with the outer world, the social disciplines to guide us in our relationships with others. These five are:
• Ahimsa (non-violence),Thou shall not cause injury.
• Satya (truthfulness), Thou shall be truthful always.
• Asteya (non-stealing), Thou shall not steal
• Brahmacharya (celibacy) and
• Aparigraha (non-covetousness) Thou shall not covet what is lawfully not yours.

According to the Yajnavalkya Samhita, ahimsa or non-violence is the awareness and practice of non-violence in thought, speech and action. It advocates the practices of compassion, love, understanding, patience, self-love, and worthiness.

Patanjali describes truthfulness as: “To be in harmony with mind, word and action, to conduct speech and mind according to truth, to express through speech and to retain it in the intellect what has been seen, understood or heard.” A perfectly truthful person is he who expresses in his speech exactly what he thinks in his mind and in the end acts according to it.

Non-stealing or asteya is the third constituent of the yamas of Ashtanga Yoga. It upholds forgoing the unauthorized possession of thought, speech and action. Asteya stands against covetousness and envy. It advocates the cultivation of a sense of completeness and self-sufficiency in order to progress beyond base cravings.

The Vedas, Smritis and Puranas all glorify the fourth constituent of celibacy. It is believed to be a behavior, which brings man nearer to the Divine. This yama believes in avoiding all sensual pleasures, whether mental, vocal or physical.

The literal meaning of apigraha, the fifth yama, is the non-accumulation of worldly objects, caused by covetousness and attachment. The commentator Vyasa says that this last state of yama is attained when one remains totally detached from sensual pleasures of all kinds and so effectively refrains from committing himsa or violence of any sort.
 
Patanjali describes truthfulness as: “To be in harmony with mind, word and action, to conduct speech and mind according to truth, to express through speech and to retain it in the intellect what has been seen, understood or heard.” A perfectly truthful person is he who expresses in his speech exactly what he thinks in his mind and in the end acts according to it.
The mind does not always produce truth, and, this truth is self-fulfillment, which is detachment from God.
The literal meaning of apigraha, the fifth yama, is the non-accumulation of worldly objects, caused by covetousness and attachment. The commentator Vyasa says that this last state of yama is attained when one remains totally detached from sensual pleasures of all kinds and so effectively refrains from committing himsa or violence of any sort.
Which are good practices, when the goal is to attach oneself to God. Not to one’s own spirit or mind.
 
Yoga is more than just a physical discipline. It is a way of life. It is a way to achieve liberation.
That alone is reason enough that Catholics may not participate in this form of yoga.
 
The mind does not always produce truth, and, this truth is self-fulfillment, which is detachment from God.

Which are good practices, when the goal is to attach oneself to God. Not to one’s own spirit or mind.
… and the mind can be considered one of the sense … it’s ego driven speculative conclusions too must be renounced …

St. Teresa the Little Flower says it best!! :::
MY LITTLE CÉLINE,—I must come and disclose the desires of Jesus with regard to your soul. Remember that He did not say: “I am the flower of the gardens, a carefully-tended Rose”; but, "I am the Flower of the fields and the Lily of the valleys."218218Cant. 2:1. Well, you must be always as a drop of dew hidden in the heart of this beautiful Lily of the valley.
The dew-drop—what could be simpler, what more pure? It is not the child of the clouds; it is born beneath the starry sky, and survives but a night. When the sun darts forth its ardent rays, the delicate pearls adorning each blade of grass quickly pass into the lightest of vapour. . . . There is the portrait of my little Céline! She is a drop of dew, an offspring of Heaven—her true Home. Through the night of this life she must hide herself in the Field-flower’s golden cup; no eye must discover her abode.
Happy dewdrop, known to God alone, think not of the rushing torrents of this world! Envy not even the crystal stream which winds among the meadows. The ripple of its waters is sweet indeed, but it can be heard by creatures. Besides, the Field-flower could never contain it in its cup. One must be so little to draw near to Jesus, and few are the souls that aspire to be little and unknown. “Are not the river and the brook,” they urge, “of more use than a dewdrop? Of what avail is it? Its only purpose is to refresh for one moment some poor little field-flower.”
Ah! They little know the true Flower of the field. Did they know Him they would understand better Our Lord’s reproach to Martha. Our Beloved needs neither our brilliant deeds nor our beautiful thoughts. Were He in search of lofty ideas, has He not His Angels, whose knowledge infinitely surpasses that of the greatest genius of earth? Neither intellect nor other talents has He come to seek among us. . . . He has become the Flower of the field to show how much He loves simplicity.
The Lily of the valley asks but a single dewdrop, which for one night shall rest in its cup, hidden from all human eyes. But when the shadows shall begin to fade, when the Flower of the field shall have become the Sun of Justice,219219Malachias 4:2. then the dewdrop—the humble sharer of His exile—will rise up to Him as love’s vapour. He will shed on her a ray of His light, and before the whole court of Heaven she will shine eternally like a precious pearl, a dazzling mirror of the Divine Sun.
 
Ashtanga Yoga- Eight Fold Path of Discipline

… The commentator Vyasa says that this last state of yama is attained when one remains totally detached from sensual pleasures of all kinds and so effectively refrains from committing himsa or violence of any sort.
The main thing to remember regarding Yoga is that much of the Yoga philosophy are commenting on the “artifacts of God” or “facets of His characteristics” … to the degree that can be realized by even our most illumined consciousness.

After studying Eastern scripture for many years, I’ve concluded that none are complete without Christ, and all authentic scriptures find their completeness in Christ.

Jesus is a person and His Divine life contains every vedic Truth and beyond.

Here is the most advanced and amazing “Yoga” you can possibly find in the world ,and its origins are completely “Christian”
Mary’s memories
  1. Mary lived with her eyes fixed on Christ, treasuring his every word: “She kept all these things, pondering them in her heart” (Lk 2:19; cf. 2:51). The memories of Jesus, impressed upon her heart, were always with her, leading her to reflect on the various moments of her life at her Son’s side. In a way those memories were to be the “rosary” which she recited uninterruptedly throughout her earthly life.
Even now, amid the joyful songs of the heavenly Jerusalem, the reasons for her thanksgiving and praise remain unchanged. They inspire her maternal concern for the pilgrim Church, in which she continues to relate her personal account of the Gospel. Mary constantly sets before the faithful the “mysteries” of her Son, with the desire that the contemplation of those mysteries will release all their saving power.
In the recitation of the Rosary, the Christian community enters into contact with the memories and the contemplative gaze of Mary.
APOSTOLIC LETTER
ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE
OF THE SUPREME PONTIFF
JOHN PAUL II


Mary reveals the real and living personal Jesus !!! This is the ultimate of ultimate Nama Japa.
 
The main thing to remember regarding Yoga is that much of the Yoga philosophy are commenting on the “artifacts of God” or “facets of His characteristics” … to the degree that can be realized by even our most illumined consciousness.
Would you say that God revealed Himself to Moses?
 
I’ve practiced Ashtanga-Vinyasa Yoga for years and I’ve never found it to be incompatible with the Christian Faith. 🤷
 
Any issue with the five simple rules? Any problem with beinf truthful etc?
No (although Ahimsa does not appeal to me). The problem is that Yoga is not a path to Heaven. According to our religion there is ONE path to heaven, and Astanga Yoga is not it.

You are citing it as a path to Moksha, liberation from the Samsara. Catholics do not believe in the Samsara, the cycle of rebirth. We believe we have one life, this is it, and yoga is not the best way to get us into Heaven.

Again, I practice the movements of yoga within my martial arts training, but I do not rely on this physical discipline to bring me closer to God, nor do I expect it to get me into Heaven.
 
No (although Ahimsa does not appeal to me).
Then you do not believe in your commandment: Thou shall not kill?

Ahima is much more than shunning killing. It is a complete way where you do not injure any one, not even ecology.

Any issues?
The problem is that Yoga is not a path to Heaven. According to our religion there is ONE path to heaven, and Astanga Yoga is not it
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What is heaven? Is it to be one with your god or a place to enjoy?
You are citing it as a path to Moksha, liberation from the Samsara. Catholics do not believe in the Samsara, the cycle of rebirth. We believe we have one life, this is it, and yoga is not the best way to get us into Heaven.
Hmm. Samsar is this world. You aspire to leave it : Only to gain heaven. Why leave it at all?
Again, I practice the movements of yoga within my martial arts training, but I do not rely on this physical discipline to bring me closer to God, nor do I expect it to get me into Heaven.
So you do not want the self discipline that goes with these martial arts? Look closer, these arts too adhere to these rules of self discipline, and are spiritual in nature.
 
No (although Ahimsa does not appeal to me). The problem is that Yoga is not a path to Heaven. According to our religion there is ONE path to heaven, and Astanga Yoga is not it.
Grace and Peace,

Perhaps but it is ascesis, a means to ordering the passions. In doing so we open ourselves up to obedience to the Commandments. In our modern Catholic Faith we have all but forgotten the virtues and how to cultivate them. Ashtanga Vinyasa is means to cultivate.
You are citing it as a path to Moksha, liberation from the Samsara. Catholics do not believe in the Samsara, the cycle of rebirth. We believe we have one life, this is it, and yoga is not the best way to get us into Heaven.
Yes, the poster is mixing the means with the ends but the means themselves lead to the liberation from the carnal man. This is the ends of all ascesis, not Salvation per se but liberation from the bondage of the flesh.
Again, I practice the movements of yoga within my martial arts training, but I do not rely on this physical discipline to bring me closer to God, nor do I expect it to get me into Heaven.
With out discipline, we cannot ‘do’ what we wish. You cannot control yourself in combat… in the same vein, the spiritual athelete must cultivate the same means of control so that he or she might open the way for obedience to the Will of God.
 
Then you do not believe in your commandment: Thou shall not kill?

Ahima is much more than shunning killing. It is a complete way where you do not injure any one, not even ecology.

Any issues?
Yes. Firstly the Commandment is God’s, not mine, secondly it is ‘‘Thou shalt not commit murder’’, which is different from killing. Killing is sometimes necessary, it may not be pleasant but it is sometimes required.
What is heaven? Is it to be one with your god or a place to enjoy?
Both actually
Hmm. Samsar is this world. You aspire to leave it : Only to gain heaven. Why leave it at all?
I do not seek to end the cycle of rebith because I do not believe in it, as for Heaven, I hope to go there, it is not a where as it exists outside of our physical space. I don’t technically need to ‘‘go’’ anywhere physically.
So you do not want the self discipline that goes with these martial arts? Look closer, these arts too adhere to these rules of self discipline, and are spiritual in nature.
I have better ways of learning discipline within my martial art. The yoga exercises are for flexibility and to add to my joints range of motion, nothing more. The martial arts I practice do not have a spiritual element, and in my opinion a martial art should not have spiritual elements as these only serve to confuse the point of the art.
 
With out discipline, we cannot ‘do’ what we wish. You cannot control yourself in combat… in the same vein, the spiritual athelete must cultivate the same means of control so that he or she might open the way for obedience to the Will of God.
Which I choose to do through prayer, not yoga. Working fine for me.
 
Which I choose to do through prayer, not yoga. Working fine for me.
Yoga ‘is’ prayer, friend. The word ‘yoga’ simply means to ‘bind’ or ‘yoke’ oneself. It is a means to an end… we determine what that end is…
 
Yoga ‘is’ prayer, friend. The word ‘yoga’ simply means to ‘bind’ or ‘yoke’ oneself. It is a means to an end… we determine what that end is…
Fine, then I choose to pray in the Catholic tradition rather than the yogic one. Satisfactory? I refuse to use the prayer system of another religion when my own is more than adequate.
 
Fine, then I choose to pray in the Catholic tradition rather than the yogic one. Satisfactory? I refuse to use the prayer system of another religion when my own is more than adequate.
We observe the Liturgy of the Hours at our home as well. Ashtanga-Vinyasa only serves to aid us in our observances more prayerfully. St. Francis de Sales was very clear concerning the devout life… it’s not the means but the ends which are important.
 
Part II: Why Yoga is Incompatible with Christianity

What is Yoga? The word Yoga means union. The goal of Yoga is to unite one’s temporary self with the infinite Brahman. Brahman is not a personal God but a spiritual substance which is one with the cosmos and nature.
Fr. James Manjackal, a Catholic priest who was raised in a traditional Catholic family in India, states: “Yoga is not an elaborate system of physical exercises, it is a spiritual discipline purporting to lead the soul to Samadhi, the state in which the natural and divine become one. It is interesting to note that postures and breathing exercises often considered to be the whole of Yoga in the West are steps three and four towards union with Brahman.”

In a recent phone conversation with Fr. Paul E. Demarais, he stated that “there is no safe level of Yoga practice.” Fr. Demarais is Diocesan Director of the Cult and Occult Awareness Network in Providence, Rhode Island.
The late Fr. John Hardon SJ also affirmed that Yoga is not compatible with Catholicism. “Inner Hinduism or Yoga professes pantheism which denies that there is only one Infinite Being who created the world out of nothing. This pantheistic Hinduism says that followers will have brief tastes of heaven between successive rebirths on Earth.”

Dr. John Ankerberg states in his article Innocent Yoga? “Regardless of the school or spiritual tradition, Yoga practice tends to alter a person’s consciousness in an occult direction. Even when Yoga is practiced innocently, it can eventually produce occult transformation.”

There are those who claim there is nothing wrong with practicing Yoga for exercise purposes only, but even the teachers of Hindu have stated that the philosophy and the practice of Yoga are inseparable. From Johanna Michaelsen’s book “Like Lambs to the Slaughter” (pp 93-95) she states, “You cannot separate the exercises from the philosophy… The movements themselves become a form of meditation.”
http://www.catholicmediacoalition.org/faith_yoga_incompatible.htm
 
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