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Friend Robwar suggested I should start a thread to get a Quaker perspective on issues often discussed here.

I would be happy to answer any questions. Please friends, let’s keep it civil and respectful. Let us show mercy to one another as we discuss spiritual things.
 
Hi Publisher:

I will participate in this thread but right now I’m up to my neck with Hurricane Sandy. When Sandy clears out & my property is cleared out and functioning again… I’ll check in…

All my best

Pam
 
Friend Robwar suggested I should start a thread to get a Quaker perspective on issues often discussed here.

I would be happy to answer any questions. Please friends, let’s keep it civil and respectful. Let us show mercy to one another as we discuss spiritual things.
Okay…I have always been curious…when/where did the Quakers originate? And when they migrated to the US…did they settle in Pennsylvania,that is why it is called the Quaker state?

Are your beliefs today the same as the founders (I mean, there has been no change) believed?

And. since you in Oregon…any relations to earthquakes… and are you the reason why there are earthquakes on the West Coast…:D:p
 
Publisher—I’m reading The Quakers in the American Colonies by Rufus Jones (with other authors, compiled by Frederick Tolles) right now as I wait out Hurricane Sandy in the Quaker State. It’s very interesting.

What foresight William Penn had.
 
Friend Robwar suggested I should start a thread to get a Quaker perspective on issues often discussed here.

I would be happy to answer any questions. Please friends, let’s keep it civil and respectful. Let us show mercy to one another as we discuss spiritual things.
Hi Buddy. I have 2 right off the top of my head,

First do you go by the bible?

Second how do you feel about purgatory,

I may not be back for a few days to get your response. Sandy is after me. Hopefully she just flys on by and we miss her. God Bless.
 
Hi Publisher:

I will participate in this thread but right now I’m up to my neck with Hurricane Sandy. When Sandy clears out & my property is cleared out and functioning again… I’ll check in…

All my best

Pam
Oh love hope you are okay. You are in my prayers.
 
Friend Robwar suggested I should start a thread to get a Quaker perspective on issues often discussed here.

I would be happy to answer any questions. Please friends, let’s keep it civil and respectful. Let us show mercy to one another as we discuss spiritual things.
Publisher, what are the basic differences in belief between the Quakers (Friends), Shakers, and Amish, and are they related in some ways?

BTW, I’m also paying close attention to Sandy here in NYC.
 
Hi Publisher:

I will participate in this thread but right now I’m up to my neck with Hurricane Sandy. When Sandy clears out & my property is cleared out and functioning again… I’ll check in…

All my best

Pam
Friend, I will hold you in the Light.
 
Okay…I have always been curious…when/where did the Quakers originate? And when they migrated to the US…did they settle in Pennsylvania,that is why it is called the Quaker state?

Are your beliefs today the same as the founders (I mean, there has been no change) believed?

And. since you in Oregon…any relations to earthquakes… and are you the reason why there are earthquakes on the West Coast…:D:p
Friends came out of 16th century England as a young man by the name of George Fox sought religious light. He searched the religious bodies of his day…spoke with their priests and ministers seeking something that would satisfy his heart’s search for God.

“When all my hopes in them and in all men were gone, so that I had nothing outwardly to help me, nor could I tell what to do, then, oh, then, I heard a voice which said, “There is one, even Christ Jesus, that can speak to thy condition”; and when I heard it, my heart did leap for joy.”

That was the turning point for Friend George…he began speaking of the sufficiency of Christ alone to answer our deepest longings…a religious fellowship…“society” formed to sit in waiting expectancy for Christ Himself to minister to those who Listened to Him. Because Friends refused to practice the ordinances/sacraments or pay the “tithe”, swear oaths as swearing an oath implied that the truth would not be spoken unless an oath was given first., offer “hat honor” to those who felt it was due them because of their station in life, and Friends refused to use “you” when addressing these same people, used “thee” to address beggar and king alike…which was a great afront to many. The jails began filling with Friends.

William Penn was a well to do Admiral’s son who was “convinced” that the Quaker message of simplicity of belief and reliance on Christ alone became the “founder” of Pennsylvania. The king owed Admiral Penn a large deal of money, so to settle he gave William Penn a large tract of land in the New World. Quakers began fleeing England now that they had a place to go. Eventually Friend William opened Pennsylvanial up to all who fled persecution, Mennonite, Huguenots, Brethren, Moravians and others. The Pennsylvania government was controlled by the Quakers who provided religious liberty to all until around the time of the Revolution, and because Friends refused to fight and bear arms as they held their Peace Testimony in high esteem…

“All bloody principles and practices we do utterly deny, with all outward wars, and strife, and fightings with outward weapons, for any end, or under any pretence whatsoever, and this is our testimony to the whole world. That spirit of Christ by which we are guided is not changeable, so as once to command us from a thing as evil and again to move unto it; and we do certainly know, and so testify to the world, that the spirit of Christ, which leads us into all Truth, will never move us to fight and war against any man with outward weapons, neither for the kingdom of Christ, nor for the kingdoms of this world.”

They lost their influence because of the Revolution.

With the advent of the revivals in the 19th century, and the ministry of one Elias Hicks, the Society was divided. The “evangelical Friends” led by Joseph Gurney and John Wilbur embraced a more “Protestant” theology of salvation and the inerrancy of the Bible. The “Hicksites” held that the Light Within, the Light of Christ was our first and chief guide for living, with the Bible as a secondary source. In the 1950’s-1970’s the breach between the diverse groups began to heal. The Friends General Conference is “liberal” and worships after the manner of Friends in expectant waiting. Friends United Meeting has a full range of meetings…some very conservative…others very liberal, all working together. The Evangelical Friends International is a group of Friends that utilize a “paid ministry” and has worship services much like many Evangelical groups, singing, scritpure reading, pastoral message.

All Friends work together on social concerns thru the American Friends Service Committee.
 
Publisher—I’m reading The Quakers in the American Colonies by Rufus Jones (with other authors, compiled by Frederick Tolles) right now as I wait out Hurricane Sandy in the Quaker State. It’s very interesting.

What foresight William Penn had.
It was said that while the Friends held control of Pennsylvania, they are the only ones who had a treaty with the native Americans that was never sworn to, nor broken.

Friends had a deep impact on how our economy evolved. They were the first to set prices in their stores and businesses. In other business establishments, one had to “haggle” over the price…the store owner set their prices high and one had to convince them to sell lower. Friends felt this was dishonest as if the store owner felt commodity “XYZ” was worht $6.00, then set the price at $6.00. The Friends were known for their fair pricing and refusal to “gouge” customers or charge a higher price than what the item was worth.
 
Hi Buddy. I have 2 right off the top of my head,

First do you go by the bible?

Second how do you feel about purgatory,

I may not be back for a few days to get your response. Sandy is after me. Hopefully she just flys on by and we miss her. God Bless.
I would say “Yes, we go by the Bible as a guide and testimony of how other’s experienced God”…but we don’t serve a book, we serve a Living God who interacts not only thru direct and immediate revelation, our community of faith and the Bible. Friends of my persuasion are not too concerned about whether the events in scripture actually occured, but how do those stories and teaching inspire us and teach us how to love God and our neighbor.

Christ cleanses us from all sin, and the work of the Holy Spirit creates us anew…I don’t know any Friends that give “purgatory” a second thought…if there is purgation, it is from God Himself, so all things received by His Hands is done out of His steadfast love for us…so all things would be received willingly and in faith that it was just and right.
 
Publisher, what are the basic differences in belief between the Quakers (Friends), Shakers, and Amish, and are they related in some ways?

BTW, I’m also paying close attention to Sandy here in NYC.
The Amish come from the “Radical Reformation” on the continent thru the Anabaptists. Jacob Amman was a member of the Brethren and split from them in the 17th century as he felt that church disipline was lax, To Jacob, those that broke the disipline order needed to be shunned until they repented. In the 17th century William Penn invited them to Pennsylvania as the Brethren, Mennonites, and Amish (by that time the Anabaptist Brethren had organized their own communities of faith and practice) were persecuted by both Protestants and Catholics.

The Shakers began int the early 18th century in New England as the “United Society of Believers in Christ’s Second Appearing” As I understand it Mother Ann Lee was considered the “second coming”. Her followers worshipped thru ecstatic dance and spoke in tongues and were dubbed “Shaking Quakers”…“Shakers”. They were celibate and did not believe in marriage…very few converts…I believe there is only a handfull left today and they are quite elderly. They sought to be self supporting and industrius. They believed in simplicity…“Shaker furniture” is of high quality, but very very simple in appearance.

While the Friends were in contact with the Mennonites on the continent when Friends were in England, they are not connected historically. Friends, Mennonites, and Brethren are considered the “Histoic Peace Churches” . Some Friends view the Quaker movement as the “culmination of the Radical Reformation”
 
Hi Publisher:

I would like to know about your Church’s.

Do you have service on Sundays and on other Holy days.

Do you guys have a priest and an altar. Does he/priest read from the Bible…??

Any sort of communion?

Do you celebrate Christmas/Easter… etc…?

Thanks!
 
Hi Publisher:

I would like to know about your Church’s.

Do you have service on Sundays and on other Holy days.

Do you guys have a priest and an altar. Does he/priest read from the Bible…??

Any sort of communion?

Do you celebrate Christmas/Easter… etc…?

Thanks!
Friends call their buildings “Meeting houses”…the Church meets in those buildings. They are very plain. The meeting room of my particular meeting house is arranged in a “square” with three rows of seats on each side of the square, with the center open…on summer days the sun shines thru a large “sky light” in the center of the room.

This past First Day there were three led to offer vocal ministry. We meet together in Silence waiting on the Lord. After about 20 minutes of Centering and experiencing the Gathering of the Meeting, one Friend stood and spoke concerning the last chapters of Mark, that on the road toward Jerusalem where He was crucified, those last chapters have a lot of healings of sight and hearing…may we all seek to See and Hear that Voice that ministers to us. While the Friend did not read from the Bible, he quoted several verses. Anyone led to read scripture may do so.

About 10 minutes later a young woman broke the Living Silence to minister by speaking of graditute and thankful hearts. She said when she was filled to overflowing, her heart caused her to break out in song…so she sang a song for us that spoke of God’s provision and grace.

An older Friend rose a few minutes after that and spoke too of graditute that she was doing fantastically with her knee replacement and she thanked God for the blessing of medical science that healed her.

Each of us in attendence is a minister/priest. We have no “ordained” ministry. We have a few who have been “recorded” as ministers with the Yearly Meeting…those who exhibit a “gift of ministry” and it is attested by the community. Those gifted in such a way can have their ordination “recorded”…but it is God who ordains and calls, all we can do is “record” it as an accepted “fact”.

We have “communion after the manner of Friends” each First Day, where we commune with Christ who is “Truly Present” among us just as promised where two or three gather together in His name…“I will be in their midst.”. For Friends, life itself is sacramental…every meal shared is an opportunity to share “communion”…the only “ritual gestures” we have is when our hands extend to fill a plate at the local soup kitchen, or hold the hand of someone who need encouragement…

We are the alters and priests. Each of us share in the priesthood of all Believers, Christ alone is the only Priest we need, as we receive ministry directly from Him as He is truly present among us, just as He said he would be.🙂

Those given “care of the meeting” gauge when meeting is over, and the “signal” is those given the care of the meeting turn to one another and shake hands, then each of us turn to our neighbors shake hands and offer peace to one another. And Meeting is over.
 
Got another question. 😃

What do you personally feel about the RC Church and what do people of your faith feel about us?
 
Got another question. 😃

What do you personally feel about the RC Church and what do people of your faith feel about us?
I find the RC church to be rich in symbology and has a deep spirituality within it’s belief structure that I personally feel most Catholcs do not avail themselves to.

Those Catholics I have known personally struggle with the beliefs of the church even though they “practice” many of it’s disiplines…ie. the rosary, stations of the cross, meditation on scripture or some of the lives of the saints. Some of my acquaintences is what “spurred” me on into checking out CAF…that and listening to “Catholic Answers” on my way home from work each evening for about a year.

The meeting I attend has quite a few “ex-Catholics” that came to Friends because of their Catholic upbringing.

Friends have tried to find common ground with Catholicism and dialog about our similar spirituality. Friends believe in the “Real Presence”…as do Catholics…of course Catholics would not agree how Friends view the “Real Presence” in light of their theological stances…but Friends “translate” Catholic belief into terms we can relate to as to be able to relate to Catholic spirituality, Friends have to “define” the similarities using our understandings as using Catholic definitions of “sacraments” and such, meaningless for us as it is outside our experience.

There was a group of Friends who attended Vatican II as “observers”…they were invited I understand.

Catholic belief on social justice and social concerns as they relate to the poor and needy “resonate” with our spirituality.

Catholic focus on education and providing schools for our children to impart Quaker social teachings finds some of it’s counter parts in the Catholic school system of education.

The dedication your sisters and brothers of the various orders to simplicity and dedication…many of their ministries to those inflicted with HIV/AIDS, especially the Sister’s of Mercy is admired.

Most of the Friends I know, have no problem with the Catholic church for the most part. That we find ourselves on opposite sides of the marriage equality issue does not interfere with our admiration of Catholic spirituality, as some Catholic orders of sisters find themselves more on “our” side than “your” side…being led by their own spiritual insights which Friends place a high degree of importance…living according to one’s conscience, treating people with dignity and grace even though we find ourselves on opposite 'sides" sometimes, Friends seek to honor “that of God” and the effort it takes sometimes to live our lives “in the Light”.
 
So I always wanted to ask this, but please keep in mind I am not trying to be inflammatory.

I heard that the reason (officially if not chiefly) William Penn was imprisoned in England was because he denied the Trinity. So first, is that statement true, and if it is, did he ever recant? I know that he is still well respected in the modern Friends church (at the Quaker school to which I went, one of the dorms was named after him). But it always sort of bugged me that none of my professors ever seemed to care about this aspect of his character. But perhaps it was merely illegitimate propaganda.
 
So I always wanted to ask this, but please keep in mind I am not trying to be inflammatory.

I heard that the reason (officially if not chiefly) William Penn was imprisoned in England was because he denied the Trinity. So first, is that statement true, and if it is, did he ever recant? I know that he is still well respected in the modern Friends church (at the Quaker school to which I went, one of the dorms was named after him). But it always sort of bugged me that none of my professors ever seemed to care about this aspect of his character. But perhaps it was merely illegitimate propaganda.
What Friend William refused to do was confess the creed as Friends confess no creed. Since Friends of Williams era always returned their inquirers to the Bible when asked a religious question, I have heard he asked his accusers to quote that scripture, since he was being accused thru the scriptures, to show him where the trinity was given.

He believed, along with Fox, Barclay, Pennington, that in Jesus God was revealed. Did he deny the “trinity”…most likely as he…and most Friends of his day refused to affirm such “notional thoughts about God”.

Even today, you’d be hard pressed to find a non-pastoral Friend who would confess the creed.

Since the creed would not be confessed and affirmed as truth, he most likely was imprisoned for “blasphemey”, which just about every Friend who found themselves inside an English jail would have refused to do. There were quite a few Friends in English jails. And many died in the deplorable conditions of those jails…that so many had died and suffered in the jails is what led Friends to seek prison reform…and suceeded.
 
what do you think of the idea that one of the aspects of God is Beauty?
 
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