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There is a story in Mahabaratha that Krishna stole the clothes of beautiful ladies (Gopikas) , when they are bathing and climbed upon a tree and watched their nudity. How can you call a person with such an indecent behavior, can be called as God ?
Hello Mister Joseph, I have been avoiding posting on this thread, but now I can not resist. I don’t think this story is in the Mahabharat, it is probably in the Bhagatvatam. But that does not make a difference, it is still a story. Krishna from his childhood is depicted as a playful, precocious person. He had a great sense of humor and was loved by all (especially all the women). As a youth he spent his time playing music (flute) and games with his male and as well as female friends (he was not the see-you-in-hell-cause-I-am-a-angry-jealous-god type of God). This story is meant to show exactly that (whether it is actually true is doubtful). BTW, this was no peeping-tom type incident, the Gopikas could see him in the tree laughing his head off.

I really think you should be asking questions about the philosophy in the Bhagvat Gita (which is the sermon that Krishna gave) rather than get all worked up and excited about such stories. Don’t stay up too late at night, take lots of cold showers and clean up your mind. If you really want to read such stuff, try the Song of Solomon (please skip the line that mentions bowels).
 
He had a great sense of humor and was loved by all (especially all the women). As a youth he spent his time playing music (flute) and games with his male and as well as female friends (he was not the see-you-in-hell-cause-I-am-a-angry-jealous-god type of God). This story is meant to show exactly that (whether it is actually true is doubtful). BTW, this was no peeping-tom type incident, the Gopikas could see him in the tree laughing his head off.
Remember , he is not a normal kid. He is God. Stealing cloths of beautiful ladies and watching their nudity cannot be considered as sense of humor. It is indecent behavior.
I really think you should be asking questions about the philosophy in the Bhagvat Gita (which is the sermon that Krishna gave) rather than get all worked up and excited about such stories. Don’t stay up too late at night, take lots of cold showers and clean up your mind. If you really want to read such stuff, try the Song of Solomon (please skip the line that mentions bowels).
I read almost all hindu mythologies, such as Ramayana , Mahabarath and Desawatar stories.
he was not the see-you-in-hell-cause-I-am-a-angry-jealous-god type of God).
If there is no hell and heaven concept in hinduism,then who is chithra gupta, God who records sins and virtues of human beings…?. Why he sends sinners for punishment?.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitragupta

Christian God does not want to see u in hell. If he wish to see u in hell, then he will not die for us for our sins.
 
Remember , he is not a normal kid. He is God. Stealing cloths of beautiful ladies and watching their nudity cannot be considered as sense of humor. It is indecent behavior…
Indecency is in the eyes of the beholder. Those who go around looking for indecency because it excites as well as offends them, will find it everywhere. Regardless, the Gopis (young women) loved Krishna before the prank, during the prank and after the pranks. Millions of people love him just as much today.
I read almost all hindu mythologies, such as Ramayana , Mahabarath and Desawatar stories…
Congratulations, but you should really read some Hindu philosophy. Start with the Bhagwat Gita (given by Krishna).
If there is no hell and heaven concept in hinduism,then who is chithra gupta, God who records sins and virtues of human beings…?. Why he sends sinners for punishment?.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chitragupta
Who said there is no concept of heaven and hell in hinduism? Except that God never threatens anyone with hell.
Christian God does not want to see u in hell. If he wish to see u in hell, then he will not die for us for our sins.
I am glad you don’t believe in the Old Testament God who threatens people with damnation and smiting and other such violence. Neither do I.
 
Indecency is in the eyes of the beholder. Those who go around looking for indecency because it excites as well as offends them, will find it everywhere. Regardless, the Gopis (young women) loved Krishna before the prank, during the prank and after the pranks. Millions of people love him just as much today.
I cannot consider that incident as an activity of a decent God. Ok I respect your emotions. So I will not insult him.
Congratulations, but you should really read some Hindu philosophy. Start with the Bhagwat Gita (given by Krishna).
That is a good book which contains advices for daily life. I didnt read it fully, but anyway it seems to be a Good book.

But my hindu friends (athiests) told me it is written to give an intellectual outlook to hinduisim , when buddhism and jainism (non thiestic philosophical religions) gained lot of followers from India. It encourages a person to fight against his relatives. It is to convert a person whose mind is filled with humanitarian values and mercy to a cruel man who attacks his people. Also it is not possible to give such a long advice , from a war place in one day…But it is believed that war re started in the same day.
Who said there is no concept of heaven and hell in hinduism? Except that God never threatens anyone with hell.
Ok atlast you accepted that there is a concept of hell and heaven in your faith.
I am glad you don’t believe in the Old Testament God who threatens people with damnation and smiting and other such violence. Neither do I.
I believe in that God , who send his only begotten son for the salvation of humanity. If an atheist tells me so , I will reply to him with respect. But I didnt think that you deserves a reply in this , As a person who follows violent Gods, whose Gods wears weapons all time, whose Gods quarrels each other. whose Holy scriptures with full of war and violence.

I remember the words of Christ, Take plank of wood from your eyes first , before you try to remove speck from your brothers eye. (Mathew 7:5)
 
Indecency is in the eyes of the beholder. Those who go around looking for indecency because it excites as well as offends them, will find it everywhere. Regardless, the Gopis (young women) loved Krishna before the prank, during the prank and after the pranks. Millions of people love him just as much today.

Congratulations, but you should really read some Hindu philosophy. Start with the Bhagwat Gita (given by Krishna).

Who said there is no concept of heaven and hell in hinduism? Except that God never threatens anyone with hell.

I am glad you don’t believe in the Old Testament God who threatens people with damnation and smiting and other such violence. Neither do I.
Christians believe in the “Old Testament” G-d as much as Jews do since G-d does not change. The OT G-d is both merciful and just, and does not threaten people with damnation.
 
Christians believe in the “Old Testament” G-d as much as Jews do since G-d does not change. The OT G-d is both merciful and just, and does not threaten people with damnation.
:clapping: Very Good answer!👍
 
The holy spirit is not Jesus Christ but the Holy spirit and Jesus Chrsit are the one God. The trinity uses specific language in its definition to reach these persons, thus I think you really don’t know what the trinity says when you say they are the same person. Lets define some terms, two are really only important at this point.

Substance or essence, that which composes something which exists. Its important to note that in talking about the trinity essence or substance doesn’t mean something material, physical and the like. Rather what we mean by this is that there is one unique essence of God, totally ineffable, totally incomprehensible but still that which composes God.

Person or persons, refers to individuals with a mind or ability to realize themselves. That is Bill can say “I am not James.” “I am myself and James is different from me.” The holy spirit says “I am not Jesus Christ but I am God.” Jesus Christ says “I am not the Holy spirit but I am God.” These are three different individuals have the ability to say “I am myself and not the other.”
I have been mulling over these comments in my head for a number of days and just now pulled it back up to read again. Anyhow, this morning as I was praying to Mary, I suddenly thought that since there is a “spirit of competition” within humanity, that this must also exist in the spiritual realm. And in fact, this is described in some scriptures, in the form of playful wrestling. The other half of my altar is dedicated to Lord Krishna. As I was praying, it just struck me that perhaps this is all just some great, divine competition. I mean, these two great religions, competing as to which can save the most souls.

I like how you speak about this “divine substance” or “essence.” You said, “we believe there to be one substance of divinity in which the father and the son and the spirit share totally equally. Jesus is of the exact same substance as the father and the spirit is of the exact same substance of the Father. This is the trinity and it is limited only to these three persons.”

After I originally read this I was picturing this “divine substance” but I was calling it a “divine wave;” unique in all the ways that it is. I use to watch waves when I was a kid in California. Each wave is very unique. As far as this “divine substance,” those who dive within its sacred waters certainly get wonderful results, some even reaching spiritual heights that are on par with angels. I have read a small amount of Catholic literature (and still am) and fully accept that this divine wave factually exists. I have spent long periods of time immersed within its holy waters, listening at the feet of its great teachers, and each day I bow to all that it is.

OK, but I have also spent just as much time absorbing myself in Vaishnava literature. Yep, there are saints, miracles, lepers instantly healed, the dead brought back to life, one God, Holy Eucharist …all and all a very similar (but yes, a totally different) divine wave. And I am certainly not about to discount any of it, either.

The saints tell us that God is the greatest mystery and even the most glorified Catholic Saints say that there is still a great unknown to them (a second wave???). I think this is why I can swim in both waves, and explore both. And yes, perhaps there is some spiritual competition in play, here. Maybe this makes life fun for God, as sports makes life fun for those of us who are made in His image. Specifically you would have Jesus vs. Nityananda. After all, they are both backed flawlessly by their perspective scriptures and both know the most inner recesses of our hearts and thoughts. Also, both are mercy personified and both pacify God’s just anger. Anyhow, a nice meditation this morning.
 
I have been mulling over these comments in my head for a number of days and just now pulled it back up to read again. Anyhow, this morning as I was praying to Mary, I suddenly thought that since there is a “spirit of competition” within humanity, that this must also exist in the spiritual realm. And in fact, this is described in some scriptures, in the form of playful wrestling. The other half of my altar is dedicated to Lord Krishna. As I was praying, it just struck me that perhaps this is all just some great, divine competition. I mean, these two great religions, competing as to which can save the most souls.

I like how you speak about this “divine substance” or “essence.” You said, “we believe there to be one substance of divinity in which the father and the son and the spirit share totally equally. Jesus is of the exact same substance as the father and the spirit is of the exact same substance of the Father. This is the trinity and it is limited only to these three persons.”

After I originally read this I was picturing this “divine substance” but I was calling it a “divine wave;” unique in all the ways that it is. I use to watch waves when I was a kid in California. Each wave is very unique. As far as this “divine substance,” those who dive within its sacred waters certainly get wonderful results, some even reaching spiritual heights that are on par with angels. I have read a small amount of Catholic literature (and still am) and fully accept that this divine wave factually exists. I have spent long periods of time immersed within its holy waters, listening at the feet of its great teachers, and each day I bow to all that it is.

OK, but I have also spent just as much time absorbing myself in Vaishnava literature. Yep, there are saints, miracles, lepers instantly healed, the dead brought back to life, one God, Holy Eucharist …all and all a very similar (but yes, a totally different) divine wave. And I am certainly not about to discount any of it, either.

The saints tell us that God is the greatest mystery and even the most glorified Catholic Saints say that there is still a great unknown to them (a second wave???). I think this is why I can swim in both waves, and explore both. And yes, perhaps there is some spiritual competition in play, here. Maybe this makes life fun for God, as sports makes life fun for those of us who are made in His image. Specifically you would have Jesus vs. Nityananda. After all, they are both backed flawlessly by their perspective scriptures and both know the most inner recesses of our hearts and thoughts. Also, both are mercy personified and both pacify God’s just anger. Anyhow, a nice meditation this morning.
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There is a story in Mahabaratha that Krishna stole the clothes of beautiful ladies (Gopikas) , when they are bathing and climbed upon a tree and watched their nudity. How can you call a person with such an indecent behavior, can be called as God ?
If Krishna is God, he sees beautiful, naked ladies all the time.

With or without their clothes.

And these “ladies” are no more “human” than is Krishna. They are demi-goddesses who have incarnated out of love for Krishna, who has himself incarnated.

They are enjoying the joke because they enjoy being in the presence of their God and are not ashamed of their nakedness before Him

As Adam and Eve were naked in the Garden of Eden and unashamed before God.
 
Reb, if you are still here I have a semi-personal question. I graduated from Permian High School in Odessa Texas in 1973. There was a young man, not sure of his class and I forgot his name, who left to be a Hare Krsna.

Since you live in the Hill Country now I was just wondering if he could be you?
 
Reb, if you are still here I have a semi-personal question. I graduated from Permian High School in Odessa Texas in 1973. There was a young man, not sure of his class and I forgot his name, who left to be a Hare Krsna. Since you live in the Hill Country now I was just wondering if he could be you?
Wish I could help you, but I graduated in 1964 from Corinth Central High School in Corinth, New York. I became a full-time novice monk in 1976. Right now in my life I am very much appreciating the Catholic religion, spending most of my time reading the writings of Her Saints. Hope you find your friend someday.
 
Any good sources for the symbology behind the various images of Vedic deities. The aesthetics are interesting, often stunning in their beauty, but–why, f’rinstance, do some deities wear a cobra coiled about their neck, the cobra’s head raised over the right shoulder of the deity? Thanks!
 
reb108 thank you for starting this thread, I have read through it all, it’s how interested you’ve kept it with your honesty. As a catholic, I thank you for your many catholic answers and advise you gave to some here. I can’t help but think that you’ve got a lot of Catholicism in you. I knew very little of Hare Krsna, now I’m a little wiser, thank you. god bless

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Reb108: have you, perchance, read anything by Kahlil Gibran?

Some of his writings have distinctly Indian/Asian flavor to them.
 
Any good sources for the symbology behind the various images of Vedic deities. The aesthetics are interesting, often stunning in their beauty, but–why, f’rinstance, do some deities wear a cobra coiled about their neck, the cobra’s head raised over the right shoulder of the deity? Thanks!
Can only take-on one thing at a time, but here is an image of the person you specifically mention: Lord Shiva. You can always go to Wikipedia for starters. The Shrimad-bhagavatam by A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada would be your best source.



For anybody with “western” roots, such as myself, and probably even yourself, images such as these are rather provocative, to say the least. Certainly, as you say, simply something full of symbology. What else can an open-minded Catholic possibly think, but this? Thank you for your question. All I can say is that I have read, “Saints Who Have Raised The Dead” and I have read the narration about Lord Shiva and an ocean of milk. You already know where to purchase the first book I mentioned, and on this link is a free book that will tell you the entire story of Lord Shiva just mentioned. The only comparison between the two books is that both will leave you scratching your head. Seriously, if you haven’t read, “Saints Who Have Raised The Dead” by Father Albert J. Hebert, S.M., then Tan Books should have a copy. But the point is, either religion has content in it that sets the hairs on back of your neck standing…and perhaps even an utterance of, “preposterous.” All I can say is that what you have are two very different religions, both competing for lost souls. In one, you have Lord Shiva, not as symbology, but authoritatively and positively an actual person. In the other, you have Saints able to be in two places at the same time, completely defying the greatest minds in Science. Tell that to Padre Pio and watch him smile. If you want to know another aspect of Lord Shiva, you can read the free essay, “The Prophesies, Preparations, and Motivation for the Advent of God.
 
“Ocean of milk”: I’m friends with a half dozen Hindu devotees or more, some of whom post enormous numbers of images.

One of these is of a deity being doused liberally with milk. Must have something to do with your expression “oceans of milk”.

Perhaps you’re willing to elaborate?

I probably drive personal friends and family bonkers on Facebook because I have links to Buddhist, Hindu, Baha’i, and even some Sufi pages. Yet am a traditional Catholic with links to traditional Catholic groups and pages too.

Anyhow–Hinduism has always been a bit more daunting and confusing to me than some of the other religions. Thanks for initiating this thread.
 
“Ocean of milk”: I’m friends with a half dozen Hindu devotees or more, some of whom post enormous numbers of images. One of these is of a deity being doused liberally with milk. Must have something to do with your expression “oceans of milk”. Perhaps you’re willing to elaborate?

I probably drive personal friends and family bonkers on Facebook because I have links to Buddhist, Hindu, Baha’i, and even some Sufi pages. Yet am a traditional Catholic with links to traditional Catholic groups and pages too.

Anyhow–Hinduism has always been a bit more daunting and confusing to me than some of the other religions. Thanks for initiating this thread.
Thank you for your comments, question and friendship. As far as Hinduism, keep in mind that this is just a general term or word, like “American,” and is more like an umbrella concept than any specific religion. As for the Hare Krishna Movement, here you will find a religion with a rich history. It consists of both Scriptures and Saints, and is just as “believable” as other religions. You will also find that both Catholicism and the Gaudia Vaishnava Sect (a.k.a. Hare Krishna Movement) have a very mystical flavor, that I personally feel a true religion should have. And very much like Catholicism, the driving motivations are love, compassion, trust, faith, mercy, forgiveness and saving souls. You will also discover a type of Holy Eucharist, but called by a different name: “prasadam” (or mercy). Another similarity I noticed just the other day is how there is a Catholic tradition where the Holy Eucharist is paraded from one holy place to another. I was looking at pictures of this on Wikipedia. So this is another similarity that comes to light when you look at the theology behind the two, but the “parade” in India would be called “Ratha Yatra.” But for sure, there are differences. Understanding these differences is where I would use your words, “daunting and confusing”. The similarities help, but the blatant cultural differences can make it more difficult. Also, I was not born with much of a brain, making this an even a greater challenge. In other words, unlike some whiz kid who can memorize and quote word-for-word just about anything and quickly analyses and postulate, I have to struggle. This makes explaining myself also more difficult. Putting that aside, there are a few things I can say about the “Ocean of Milk.” But on your part you are going to have to read a little. Having said that, again, I want to mention Chapter 6 (part one) of the book, “Abandoned,” as a good outline for understanding just what this whole “Ocean of Milk” thing is all about. The actual story is found within the pages of Shrimad-bhagavatam. So this is within the Hare Krishna scriptures, which are texts from ancient India. What is interesting is that 3000 miles away in Cambodia, you will find one of the largest religious complexes in the world, popularly called, “Angkor Wat.”



What makes this place even more interesting is that “Angkor Wat” was built to honor the “Ocean of Milk.” The book, “Abandoned” is free and provides a nice story that lays out all the facts surrounding “Angkor Wat.” It is not a long book.

As far as pouring the milk over the deities that your friends have posted, there is nothing too difficult to understand here. Although not that common, still, in some Catholic photos I have seen statues of Mary (deity) adorned with various articles of clothing.

I have no idea how a marble deity (statue) of Mary is dressed (and/or cleaned), but, for instance, there are marble deities of Krishna which are dressed, too. However (I am now assuming) whereas Mary may be dressed in new attire only ever so rarely, the deity of Krishna is dressed 4-5 times a day. He is also bathed (cleaned) and this is where you might find photos of milk, honey, yogurt, water, etc. being poured over the undressed deity before being dried and clothed for public view. Not a foreign concept to Catholic theology, the deity of Lord Krishna is accepted as God and His worship is very detailed, including changing of clothing, offering various foods, flowers, incense, water, etc.

I did find one statue of Mary adorned with clothing and I would post the picture except that it is copyrighted.
 
As far as pouring the milk over the deities that your friends have posted, there is nothing too difficult to understand here. Although not that common, still, in some Catholic photos I have seen statues of Mary (deity) adorned with various articles of clothing.

I have no idea how a marble deity (statue) of Mary is dressed (and/or cleaned), but, for instance, there are marble deities of Krishna which are dressed, too. However (I am now assuming) whereas Mary may be dressed in new attire only ever so rarely, the deity of Krishna is dressed 4-5 times a day. He is also bathed (cleaned) and this is where you might find photos of milk, honey, yogurt, water, etc. being poured over the undressed deity before being dried and clothed for public view. Not a foreign concept to Catholic theology, the deity of Lord Krishna is accepted as God and His worship is very detailed, including changing of clothing, offering various foods, flowers, incense, water, etc.

I did find one statue of Mary adorned with clothing and I would post the picture except that it is copyrighted.
Well I think the main difference with Catholic theology is that the statue is not believed to be infused with the presence of Mary (as I understand is the view in Hinduism, i.e. prana pratishtha), nor are foods, flowers, incense, or water offered to the statue and/or to her. From what I understand, the bathing, clothing, and offering/feeding the deity/statue in Hinduism is done because it is believed that it isn’t just a statue. In Catholicism, it is just a statue.

I’m curious though, what is the significance of bathing the deity not just with water, but with milk, yogurt, honey, etc? What does it “do”?
 
Wish I could help you, but I graduated in 1964 from Corinth Central High School in Corinth, New York. I became a full-time novice monk in 1976. Right now in my life I am very much appreciating the Catholic religion, spending most of my time reading the writings of Her Saints. Hope you find your friend someday.
reb108 so glad you are appreciating the Catholic faith. And hope you stick around. You seem so kind and loving.

Just wanted to welcome you, forgot to do that, and wish you a safe and happy fourth of July.

God Bless!
 
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