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I have a two part question:
  1. What holy books do you have?
  2. How do you know they are true? Know that I’m not trying to sound rude in saying that. I just think of how Catholics believe the Bible is divinely inspired, and am honestly wondering what similar beliefs would be for other religions.
 
I have a two part question:
  1. What holy books do you have?
  2. How do you know they are true? Know that I’m not trying to sound rude in saying that. I just think of how Catholics believe the Bible is divinely inspired, and am honestly wondering what similar beliefs would be for other religions.
As you know, “holy books” are the texts which various religious traditions consider to be sacred, or of central importance to their religious tradition. Regarding the holy books that the Hare Krishnas read, the “Bhagavada-gita” (The Song of God) was one of the first books translated for us into English by Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement. Of course there have always been translations of the “Gita” available to English readers, but this was the first translation by a devotee of Lord Krishna, who is speaking in the book. By the way, there are many, free, on-line versions of our books that you can search for; books such as the “Shrimad-Bhagavatam” and the “Chaitanya-charitamrita. “ You can also buy books such as the “Chaitanya-Bhagavata” and “Jaiva-Dharma,” a book that I am now reading by Bhaktivinode Thakura.

I understand that all these titles and names look odd and are difficult to even pronounce, but you get use to them quickly. Many American, British, and European Hare Krishna devotees have become quite fluent in Sanskrit and the other languages of India, some even having mastered Sanskrit on the scholarly level.

You ask, “How do you know that they are true?” As for myself, I kind of got “dumped” into the Hare Krishna religion overnight back in 1976, really knowing very little about it. Actually, I was on my way to California with no intention, whatsoever, of joining any religious movement. I was about 30 years old at the time. Of course, this is a separate story but I did end up joining, settled down and soon began reading my first holy books from India.

My initial impression was how thorough the material was both presented and explained, easy to understand and accept, and whether I agreed or not, I couldn’t help but appreciated the fact that the author (translator) - (His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada) - had impeccable, spiritual credentials, as far as the religion he was both part of and presenting (just as if you were to read about Pope Francis, you would see a long and important history of his life as a Catholic). Furthermore, in the Vaishnava tradition of the Hare Krishna Movement, our spiritual leaders are all connected by an unbroken chain of spiritual masters, which is a system that both empowers , certifies, and gives enormous credentials to our leaders. You can actually look at this “family tree” of spiritual masters and see how Bhaktivedanta Swam Prabhupada is directly linked to Lord Krishna, and that all the spiritual masters in the Hare Krishna have this family-tree connection.

I will also say that in those early days of my involvement (starting in 1976) I was very impressed with the character, intelligence, and other nice qualities of the young Hare Krishna devotees I was meeting for the first time. Then what happened, gradually, as more books were translated and became available for me to read (especially books that gave me an in-depth look into the lives of our previous spiritual masters), I began to realize that I had become part of something with a very rich history, of the most excellent quality; that anyone could ask of his/her religion.

But what made this all even more exciting for me was that only 500 years ago, Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (maha>great; prabhu>master) appeared on the scene and was reportedly none other than God, Almighty (Krishna). So, what we have here, are more ancient scriptures, such as the “Bhagavada-gita” and “Shrimad-bhagavatam” that described divine events that happened 5000 years ago and even further back than that. And then we have more recent scriptures (only 500 years old), such as the “Chaitanya-charitamrita” (The Nectar of Lord Chaitanya) and “Chaitanya-bhagavata,” fully describing the life and teaching of Lord Chaitanya. And as I said, thrown into this mix, now, are so many books on our past spiritual leaders; who they were; their lives and teachings. To this day when I read about their lives and just who these men were, I am so impressed with their impeccable credentials and saintly behavior. I mean, who am I - reb108 – but a nobody with half a brain. But Bhaktivedanta Swami Prahupada; Bhaktisiddanta Sarasvati; Bhaktivinoded Thakura; Srila Vrindavan das Thakura; Srila Krsnadas Kaviraja and all these many Hare Krishna Saints; now we are talking about men of such high spiritual and moral qualifications that if they can accept Krishna and Lord Chaitanya as God, without the slightest doubt, then this has helped me tremendously with my new faith. If nothing else, I am certainly going to approach this whole subject of Krishna with the greatest respect and openness, just as respectful as I am toward Catholicism.

As far as Krishna being God; as far as Sri Krishna Chaitanya being God, let me just say that after personally looking into this claim for nearly 40 years, I have no problem accepting this as being true. But it has taken a significant investment of time to check this all out. Trust is the bottom line. Who am I willing to trust my soul with? The holy books I have mentioned above have helped me enormously with this question.
 
Greetings. If you have ever wanted to ask one of those rather odd looking monks in the white or orange robes a questions, I will try my best to answer.
What is the difference between a Hare Krisna and a Hindu?
 
What is the difference between a Hare Krisna and a Hindu?
Oh, I can answer that.

“Hindu” is actually a national/ethnic/geographic term, NOT the name of a religion. If you mistakenly use the word “Hindu” to refer to the indigenous body of religious traditions of the Indian subcontinent–then HarKrishna’s ARE 'Hindus".

But you would be committing a faux pas.

As you would if you referred to them as “Brahman”, who are actually the priestly caste: but you will sometime see this used as well

The proper term would be a “Dharmi”, follower of the Dharma.

Other appropriate terms would include “Vaishvani”, follower of Vishnu; “Saivite”, disciple of Shiva; “Vedicist”, student of the Vedas; a Yogi, one who disciplines themselves by way of the practices of the various Yogas.

Hare Krshnas are “Vaishnaivites”, orthodox followers of the deity Vishnu, whose incarnations include Krishna.They are part of the mainstream of what we would erroneously deem “Hinduism”. They were a bit exotic in Western nations, and Sri Prabhupada was a tad unorthodox in his evangelistic zeal. But in IIndia the religious practices of Hare Krsna are perfectly normal religious devotion.

I had to append a link to a separate post as my cellphone wanted to put the links anywhere but where I wanted them.
 
What is the difference between a Hare Krisna and a Hindu?
Oh, I can answer that. …The proper term would be a “Dharmi”, follower of the Dharma. Other appropriate terms would include “Vaishvani”, follower of Vishnu; “Saivite”, disciple of Shiva; “Vedicist”, student of the Vedas; a Yogi, one who disciplines themselves by way of the practices of the various Yogas.
To say that Hare Krishna devotees are followers of Vishnu & Siva and are yogis, is also a bit misleading. Krishna is God. Vishnu and Siva know this and worship Krishna as such. The only yoga that was taught by the founder of the Hare Krishna Movement is “Bhakti Yoga,” or connecting to God via loving devotional service. This bhakti yoga is fundalmental. Is it OK to exercise or stay fit with all types of physical practices??? …yes, but they are all sideline issues. It is “Bhakti Yoga” that is taught and encouraged

As far as another word flameburns623 uses, I’m not saying that the word “Dharmi” doesn’t exist, but it is not a word used by your everyday Hare Krsna devotee. But yes, they are followers of “Dharma,” meaning that devotees are taught that the soul’s constitutional or natural function, that stems from one’s true identity, is the eternal servant of the Lord. This is central to what the Hare Krishna’s are all about and do in life.
Hare Krishnas are “Vaishnaivites”, orthodox followers of the deity Vishnu, whose incarnations include Krishna…They were a bit exotic in Western nations, and Shrila Prabhupada was a tad unorthodox in his evangelistic zeal.
As far as flameburns623’s other comments quoted above, “Gaudiya Vaishnavism” is a better wording and is a movement founded by Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu in the 16th century. When I say that I am a “Vaishnava,” this is what I mean. “Gaudiya” refers to the Gauḍa region (present day Bengal/Bangladesh) where Lord Chaitanya was born. The word “Hindu” doesn’t even point to this meaning but it is used as a wide paintbrush to label just about anything from India; like the word “American.” Some Americans are Catholic but not all of them. Some Hindus are followers of Lord Chaitanya, many are not. And yes, the focus of “Gaudiya Vaishnavism” is the devotional worship of Krishna, and His many divine incarnations as His supreme forms. Most popularly, this worship takes the form of singing the holy names of the Lord, such as “Hare”, “Krishna” and “Rama”.

Hare Krishnas (devotees) are followers of Krishna. In the first Canto of the Srimad-Bhagavatam, the spiritual master (Shrila Prabhupada) and translator of this book clearly states that Krishna is NOT an incarnation of Vishnu. This is a big error in flameburns’ explanation. The correct understanding is that Vishnu is an incarnation of Lord Krsna. Finally, it wasn’t Shrila Prabhupada who was unorthodox in his evangelistic zeal but rather some of his disciples.
 
Reb: sorry. if I got things a bit gummed-up. Was trying to emphasize that the word “Hindu” is technically improper, although most English speakers understand what is intended.

Thanks for your patience!
 
Reb: sorry. if I got things a bit gummed-up. Was trying to emphasize that the word “Hindu” is technically improper, although most English speakers understand what is intended.

Thanks for your patience!
Peace brother, not a problem. But it is an important distinction. Again, thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. If Krishna “comes” from Vishnu, then Vishnu is superior. A common misconception. Krishna simply refers to God. He is without source. In some theological circles, Krishna is compared to a great fire and the sparks from that fire are the individual souls. The soul has an eternal, default function which is to love God. When this pure love is examined with a pure heart, we see that it has a certain inherent nature which manifest as service to God. Therefore, another view of the same thing is that the soul’s eternal constitutional position is to render service to God…Why are we the servants of God?..Because the soul’s original and indisputable function is to love God and thus, the nature of this love manifests as doing the Will of God, performed as an expression of loving devotional service. If you ever read Jaiva Dharma (the eternal characteristics of the soul) you find Krishna. You can hardly find the word “Vishnu” mentioned in the book.
 
Peace brother, not a problem. But it is an important distinction. Again, thank you for your (name removed by moderator)ut. If Krishna “comes” from Vishnu, then Vishnu is superior. A common misconception. Krishna simply refers to God. He is without source. In some theological circles, Krishna is compared to a great fire and the sparks from that fire are the individual souls. The soul has an eternal, default function which is to love God. When this pure love is examined with a pure heart, we see that it has a certain inherent nature which manifest as service to God. Therefore, another view of the same thing is that the soul’s eternal constitutional position is to render service to God…Why are we the servants of God?..Because the soul’s original and indisputable function is to love God and thus, the nature of this love manifests as doing the Will of God, performed as an expression of loving devotional service. If you ever read Jaiva Dharma (the eternal characteristics of the soul) you find Krishna. You can hardly find the word “Vishnu” mentioned in the book.
Reb,
. This is very interesting. Nearly forty years ago I used to come across Hare Krsna devotees in my travels: San Francisco, in Europe while hitchhiking around, and happened to be at the Denver Ashram on the day they learned of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada death from this world.
. I felt a strong connection to Krsna through The Bhagavad Gita As It Is. The explanations were quite helpful.
. “Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion—at that time I descend Myself.”
. In my encounter in 1979 with the Baha’i Faith I came to believe that this had once again occurred.
. Thank you for your enlightening posts.
 
Reb, This is very interesting. Thank you for your enlightening posts.
Thank you, but all the credit, as you know, is the Lord’s. In one fashion or another, out of His great love and compassion He sends us help. And God knows we need it. I haven’t been posting on this forum lately as the book “Jaiva Dharma” is taking up most of my spare time. Some books lend themselves to straight forward and easy reading, while others you almost have to study. Anyhow, this fool needs to study it. I am still in the Introduction. lol. I find it noteworthy that I had just finished reading Rev. O’brien’s book, “Saints of the American Wilderness” about 8 Catholic priests who died trying to bring love of God to the Iroquois, Mohawks, Huron and other Indians. O’briens book is rather strong in several places, but the unpleasant truth is being told as to what happened to these 8 Jesuits. Anyhow, I was able to appreciate parts of “Jaiva Dharma’s” introduction a lot better, having read O’brien’s book first, although this was not something I planned out. By the way, totally out of context, there is a wonderful video just linked to on the Spirit Daily website. Here is the YouTube link. I think everyone on this forum would enjoy looking at it. Not too long: youtu.be/neoqwJVPj74
 
Back on June 15th, PietroPaolo had asked me about the difference between Catholics and what Hare Krsna’s believe in. A few days ago I was studying, “Jaiva-Dharma,” when I realized another aspect of our differences.

Although I haven’t read as extensively as most, I am attracted to the lives and writings of various nuns who completely lived their lives dedicated to their Divine Spouse, Jesus Christ. In reading what they wrote, there seems to be a common point (or place) that they all arrive at in their mediations, and what I am referring to is a “divine veil” that seems to mark the outer-most limits to where their revelations can take them. On the “other side” of this veil they speak about “seeing” God face-to-face, but never once, in what I’ve read, has this “veil” been lifted. Mentioning this, I’m not implying a lack of love. On the contrary, many Catholic saints speak about their intense separation from Christ and it has been said by both religions that the most intense feelings of “love of God” are found within this realm of separation.

Now, as far as the question about the difference between Catholics and Krsna, within “Jaiva-Dharma” there is a particular incident that takes place that is a good example. I say a “good example” because what I am about to mention is not unheard of within our history of Vaishnava saints. Over the centuries many of them have had this same kind of revelation.

As this book begins, we are introduced to a Vaishnava priest (Sri Babaji) who lives on a sacred island. He spends nearly every moment either in prayer, reading scripture, paying his humble respects to the other priests on the island, or receiving charity from the local farmers.

In a different part of India, “Jaiva-Dharma” then introduces another priest, but from a different sect. Although he is a great scholar, as he later reveals, his interior life was spiritually dry. Then one day he happened to see a devotee of Lord Chaitanya. This devotee was manifesting the most enchanting expressions of divine rapture. The priest could easily hear the devotee repeating the Names of Lord Chaitanya and His divine companion, Prabhu Nityananda. Tears of love streamed from his eyes. The priest tells us that it was at this moment, upon hearing the Holy Names of Chaitanya and Nityananda, that love of God filled his heart and his dryness vanished.

Eventually this priest traveled to the birthplace of Lord Chaitanya, located on the same island where Sri Babaji was living. After the priest had met Sri Babaji and had accepted his priestly guidance, before dawn, in the early morning, both men sat outside Babaji’s hut, chanting the Holy Names of God.

It was then that the new disciple began to notice that tears were beginning to appear in Babaji’s eyes. It is at this point in “Jaiva-Dharma” that its author explains that Sri Babaji’s tears were the result of his great empathy, having fallen into a state of divine rapture. (So here I am also seeing common ground between our two religions; saints from both traditions experience ecstatic rapture.

I have already mentioned how many Catholic saints have written about a “veil” that hides their Beloved. So this brings us to where I find a difference. Let us listen for a moment as the content of Sri Babaji’s trance is described.

Although he was sitting with his new disciple, internally, Babaji had reconnected with his eternal, spiritual body, that of a young, female maidservant of Sri Radhika (the Lord’s eternal consort). Within this spiritual realm, both Radha and Krsna were sleeping but dawn was quickly approaching. Since a new day was drawing near, this meant that soon it would be time for the Divine Couple to awaken and part company for the day, each performing their various, day-time pastimes.

Because Sri Babaji knew that the Divine Couple would soon be leaving each other, and how this would mean great pain for them (just as two ordinary lovers naturally experience pain when they have to part company), outwardly, profuse tears began to run down his face, deeply saddened by what was soon going to be very upsetting to his Lordships. As for his disciple, not expecting or knowing any about this, he could only look in wonder at his guru. Then, suddenly startling him, the Babaji quickly turned to the priest and said with great alarm, “Hurry, you must stop Radha’s monkey from making so much noise. Hurry or else the noise will wake them. See, over there, Radha’s maidservant is motioning for you to quiet the monkey.” Thus, the eternal duty of the priest was revealed to him by Sri Babaji: to make sure that Kakkhati (the monkey’s name) would never disturb Radha and Krishna during their last moments of sleep. Also, the priest’s spititual identity (also female) and spiritual name (Ramana Manjari) was revealed to him. As for the Babaji, after speaking he became unconscious.

To me, this points to an enormous difference between our two religions. Whereas Catholics saints, in their deepest revelation, tell us how they are not able to go beyond the “veil,” Vaishnava Saints never mention such a thing; even mentioning a mischievous monkey by name, who must be quieted before he disturbs God and His Consort from Their divine sleep. Although the Catholic Wave and the Vaishnava Wave are different in content, both share the eternal nature of love of God, which to me is what counts. Nor do I believe that behind the Catholic “veil,” monkeys and Krsna will greet those who penetrate it.
 
Great thread - Thanks Rep for honestly sharing your experience. Early on - there was a bit of contentious back and forth (not that you need a defense) and I wanted to add what every good Catholic knows from the Catechism:

“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

I say that not as a slam or slap - but to point to other Catholics on this forum that if we could ask Jesus how He would feel about a devout “other than Catholic” who followed a just, compassionate, honorable course of action in their life, would He be upset of glad?

To be fair - earlier in the Catechism it does state that many other forms of religion are shadowy - not the full expression or divine revelation, and that the only full and completely true is through Jesus the Christ and the Catholic Church - but I’ll leave those determinations to YHVH, and as one teacher has stated, “I judge actions, not intentions.” - If we looked to the fruits of a person’s life, we shall know them.

Just because a person is one faith or another, or no particular faith, or no faith, doesn’t exclude their being able to love their neighbor.

So a Catholic need not be threatened by the heartfelt search of another faith -
 
To me, this points to an enormous difference between our two religions. Whereas Catholics saints, in their deepest revelation, tell us how they are not able to go beyond the “veil,” Vaishnava Saints never mention such a thing; even mentioning a mischievous monkey by name, who must be quieted before he disturbs God and His Consort from Their divine sleep. Although the Catholic Wave and the Vaishnava Wave are different in content, both share the eternal nature of love of God, which to me is what counts. Nor do I believe that behind the Catholic “veil,” monkeys and Krsna will greet those who penetrate it.
I just learned something amazing today from a book I’m reading called:

“Abraham, One God, Three Wives, Five Religions” by Frances Worthington.

She pointed out how “Brahma” is within the name of Abraham. The linguistic similarity is unmistakeable.
Further, she points out that Brahmanism is connected through one or more of Keturah’s sons (Abrahams 3rd wife), whom Abraham sent “to the east”. His first wife “Sarai”, or Sarah, gives rise to the Hindu goddess Saraswati. A 17th century missionary, Phillip Baldeus, was told by a Brahman family that they were descended from Keturah.

There is more to it, equally astounding. If interested, I can post further.

Peace, daler
 
I just learned something amazing today from a book I’m reading called:

“Abraham, One God, Three Wives, Five Religions” by Frances Worthington.

She pointed out how “Brahma” is within the name of Abraham. The linguistic similarity is unmistakeable.
Further, she points out that Brahmanism is connected through one or more of Keturah’s sons (Abrahams 3rd wife), whom Abraham sent “to the east”. His first wife “Sarai”, or Sarah, gives rise to the Hindu goddess Saraswati. A 17th century missionary, Phillip Baldeus, was told by a Brahman family that they were descended from Keturah.

Peace, daler
My wife has such a good memory. She is a definitely a blessing to me. I just mentioned to her what you said, and within moments was able to pull this up from something related, that she saw years ago. If this is new to you, then you may find it interesting. Here is the link: viewzone.com/abrahamx.html
 
My wife has such a good memory. She is a definitely a blessing to me. I just mentioned to her what you said, and within moments was able to pull this up from something related, that she saw years ago. If this is new to you, then you may find it interesting. Here is the link: viewzone.com/abrahamx.html
WOW!! Great Stuff! Thank you.
 
Great thread - Thanks Rep for honestly sharing your experience. Early on - there was a bit of contentious back and forth (not that you need a defense) and I wanted to add what every good Catholic knows from the Catechism:

“Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.”

I say that not as a slam or slap - but to point to other Catholics on this forum that if we could ask Jesus how He would feel about a devout “other than Catholic” who followed a just, compassionate, honorable course of action in their life, would He be upset of glad?

To be fair - earlier in the Catechism it does state that many other forms of religion are shadowy - not the full expression or divine revelation, and that the only full and completely true is through Jesus the Christ and the Catholic Church - but I’ll leave those determinations to YHVH, and as one teacher has stated, “I judge actions, not intentions.” - If we looked to the fruits of a person’s life, we shall know them.

Just because a person is one faith or another, or no particular faith, or no faith, doesn’t exclude their being able to love their neighbor.

So a Catholic need not be threatened by the heartfelt search of another faith -
@trolamc: Who could not appreciate your comments, here? Thank you very much. You speak of honesty and sincerity of the heart, and I say, “exactly.” If anyone, as I have done, gives Catholicism a respectable amount of time, a 100% positive conclusion is the only outcome. But, I can also say the same about Gaudia Vaishnavism (the life and theology surrounding Sri Krsna Chaitanya, who appeared 500 years ago in Bengal).

I do fear God. Therefore, for me, instead of throwing out one to keep the other, or the other way around, in this same mood of sincerity and honesty, I have tried to understand how both could exist. Such a formula is easy from a Vaishnava (Hare Krsna) perspective. But from a Christian perspective, eyebrows and impossibilities instantly pop up. You know, “Jesus is the only way,” …“You can’t serve two masters,” …etc. So, as this one fellow I know likes to say, “OK, but putting that aside for a minute…” Otherwise I would hit a church, I mean brick wall." I mean, what am I to do? I have given and continue to give both religions a sincere and honest amount time and what I see in either direction is one, all mighty God. So in the most general terms I have sorted this out in a way the satisfies my mind and heart. And, I have hung a few signs on the wall, such as, “God is Unlimited,” and “With God all Things are Possible,” and “Awaken Our Love for God,” and “What You Now Know of God is Perceived Through a Foggy Window.”

Since I am rather simple minded, I like pictures. So having said what I have, I envision an ocean. Call it an ocean of divine love, or and ocean of divine mercy, or both. When I was a boy I often played in the ocean. So I know about waves, how although they are “one,” so far as all waves are identically salt water, still they are different. Some are smaller, larger, more or less powerful, and most importantly, each one contains different things: some more seaweed, some less; different kinds of fish, while some waves may have no fish; and then again, some waves have artifacts from a different “world” floating about, such as plastic, pieces of old wood, etc. So basically, all waves are the same (salt water) but they are also very different.

Now, remember, I am picturing this divine ocean and only claiming a limited view. With all honesty, I sincerely see two waves. Is God, from a Catholic perspective capable of sending out two waves? Or is God limited? Anyhow, my God is unlimited and is an ocean of love and mercy.

As I have said, not perfectly but honestly, I have swam vigorously in both waves. And yes, while the “content” is different, what excites me is the love that both have drench my soul. And I will end, now, by saying that although, just in the natural course of my reading and wonderment, I have notebooks full of all kinds of examples of these two waves are similar …I believe that one should be very wary of the pitfall of finding fault with one over the other, such as, “God can’t be woke up by a monkey,” or, “How could Saint Mary of Egypt walk on water?” By keeping an eye on the universality of the love they share, I have found joy.
 
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