Ask a lonely Pagan who doesn't know what his beliefs are or would be called, anything

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I see, and I understand why you converted.
I’m not trying to convert you, I just know that being lonely is hard.
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I know you are not, and I’m not going to be converted anyway, unless I can be 100% convinced that Christianity is the truth, but that is not working out for me as of now.
Why do you need to stay lonely? I’m not trying to convert you, I just know that being lonely is hard.
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That is quite a story, to be honest, and it is really a self-appointed ‘mission’ of mine, lol… It goes something like this. A while ago, on April 23, 2015, I had a Google+ account and met a whole lot of people on there, and we became friends. One of them, I won’t his name for privacy and out of respect, because I do not know if he wants his name out or not. Now he is a Christian, and always hounded at me, because of the fact that I used to practice ‘psionics’ and magic, when I am not against it, I do not think magic is evil. Even when he did it, we were still friends. I was a massive mess, like I am right now, in terms of beliefs, religion, and faith. There were others that started slowly abandoning me, and I should have expected it, but it caused me enormous pain, I also had, because I reject any friendship she ever wants in the future, friend that she considered me a ‘boyfriend’, but I did not necessarily consider her a ‘girlfriend’, even though I was ‘in love’, but I cannot remember if I actually was. Eventually, so acted distant, and acted more girlfriend-like to other people, I could take it anymore, and so I eventually laid the judge’s hammer and ended it. She caused me a lot of pain, and so from all those events, I’m pretty mentally scarred and ‘tough’, but I do not act like a tough-guy. And eventually I had to leave everyone. Keep in mind, though that I he never caused me issues, so why did I leave? Because I have to better myself, and become more stable before I can be any of there friends.

It is not that I need to stay lonely, it is that I am cautious of making new friends, because of the past.

And I am not rejecting a friendship at all, I am simply stating that I will have trouble maintaining another one until I fix the ‘issue’ with my other one, or ones. We can be friends, but I cannot do certain things, since my family does not know that I do these things. My mother is not fond, as far I know, of me or my brother talking to ‘strangers’ on the internet. So I have to be extremely secretive, until I can find the opportunity to release these things.

Hope that made sense. 🙂 Thank you, though, sincerely.

PS: I am not looking for any sympathy. I do not need it, so please don’t feel any need to give me any.
 
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If I understand you right, you’re expressing the difference between being “lonely” (an emotional state) and being alone. You can be lonely while surrounded by people, and you can be alone without being lonely.
 
Yes, that is exactly what I meant. I’m not lonely emotionally–at least I cannot detect that I am–I am more so just alone; on my one for now. Thanks for that.
 
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ShowersofRoses said:
I don’t know why you said this, since you’re profile claims to be Catholic. But this isn’t true. How can you say we don’t believe that Jesus is a personal God? God coming down and being incarnated as a baby to save us from ourselves doesn’t get any more personal. I certainly believe and trust in Him as my personal Savior.
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It may be a misconception of mine. My interpretation of “personal” has less to do with the nominal “Trinity of 3 Persons” or the incarnation and more to do with the anthropomorphization of God’s attributes. I don’t think we can apprehend God to the point where we, ourselves, can validly apply any personal attributes to Him or relate to His essence. I don’t think He’s a mystical force that left us to be (that would be deism), so I do think He can/does interact with us and He knows the goings on of our lives (since He’s omniscient), but much like you wouldn’t say you have a “personal” relationship with George Washington, I don’t think you can say you had a “personal” relationship with God (even incarnate). So, in a nutshell, yes, God is an intellect and will (defining features of a person), He exists as a Trinity of 3 persons (though I wouldn’t conflate the “person” God is with the species of “person” we are), and we have a relationship with those divine persons. When I hear someone speak of a “personal God”, I think of theistic personalism or open theism, I suppose, and those are incompatible with Catholic views of God, in my estimations.
 
Paganism, eh? What’s your opinion on the Eucharist?
 
I’ve never heard of the word ‘Eucharist’, but I know what communion is, and it appears to be similar or the same thing to each other. I personally don’t care if you wanna eat or drink in remembrance of the God you believe in; I think it’s great, it shows dedication, but I do not do it, simply because I don’t believe in Jesus as God, so I am not going to do it, but again, it shows dedication to what you believe in, and that is better than being apathetic, you know.
 
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much like you wouldn’t say you have a “personal” relationship with George Washington, I don’t think you can say you had a “personal” relationship with God (even incarnate).
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I don’t want to derail the thread further, so I’ll let this go since you have an interesting perspective on God that would warrant further discussion by people smarter than me.🙂

I can understand how some Catholics are put off by this saying, of a “personal relationship with Jesus,” since protestants say this and mean that nothing else besides believing in Jesus and knowing Him is necessary. That’s not what I’m talking about here.

I don’t have a personal relationship with George Washington or Helen Keller or any other historical person, as much as I might admire them. I don’t speak to them or get messages from them.

But I do know God personally, though it is just an imperfect shadow of how I will (hopefully) know Him in Heaven. His Holy Spirit is actually living inside me–I don’t know how you can get more personal than that. I speak to Him in prayer all the time. I consume His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. That’s also intensely personal.

He personally appeared to so many people in the Bible, like Abraham, Moses, and St. Paul. He appeared to countless numbers of the Saints, like St. Faustina, St. Therese, St. Anthony, St. Rose, St. Gemma, etc. and changed their lives forever.

And He has personally made Himself known to me, though not through such an obvious, spectacular fashion like the Saints. But they are subjective experiences, not something concrete I can point to or share here.

But my experiences give me a confidence to persevere in my faith, even when the world calls me crazy, and even when I am plagued by doubts. I have an anchor in my soul, a firm foundation, because I know that He graciously makes Himself known, in His own time, when we ask Him.

I’m certainly not saying that we at all comprehend the magnitude of God, or that we keep a personal little god in our pocket who grants our wishes, or any other false impression of who God is. We cannot comprehend Him, but He stoops down to us and makes His love for us known, if we are looking.

So either I am misunderstanding you, or we are just talking past each other, but thank you for sharing your perspective on how we can perceive God. I think we are interpreting or defining the word personal in different ways, which is leading to the confusion.
 
Oh, but on the contrary, my friend. The Eucharist is not simply a remembrance. It is God himself, (Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity) becoming the bread and wine at the lowly request of the priest.
 
ah, I see now. I’ve honestly never heard of such a thing before; that is interesting.
 
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