Ask a lonely Pagan who doesn't know what his beliefs are or would be called, anything

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Have you ever prayed to Jesus as if he were God and if yes did anything happen or not happen?
Have you ever peayed to the Archangels Michael and Gabriel and if yes did they say anything or did you feel anything?
And if not in both cases why not. If you are a mystic why not try these chanels?
 
ancestral reasons, and so I can know about it in general; since I’m learning about all the religions/faiths I can, I figured this would make a fine addition to my collection of knowledge for seeking the truth.
 
Yes I have tried those, and I have a couple of occasions felt what everyone says about it, but I cannot determine if it is one of the following:

!. Actually God
2. Placebo
3. Me causing it on myself.

This is a good example of why I have trouble with faiths like these. I always have had trouble since I was a child, a believe me, I had some screwed up experiences as a child. They don’t scare me anymore, but they sure did back then.
 
Hi, finally got around to answering this. I had to rewrite it several times, because I kept using too many characters. So this is the shorted way I can explain all of those questions to you.
You said you don’t believe in a supreme deity, but what dictates the order of the gods?
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That’s correct; I do not believe in a supreme deity. I simply believe that ‘the supreme deity’ is existence itself; it has no feelings, no emotion, no judgment, no thoughts, no intelligence, no intimacy; it does absolutely nothing but contain that which exists.
Hmm if there’s a god of existence, don’t the other gods subsist under that god? The other gods exist right? The god of existence is close to being in line with Catholic theology (though, we’re obviously monotheistic). We just believe that God is existence.
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Refer to the ending of this response.
What/who created the gods? What do the gods “do” in their respective domains?
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The gods are supernatural, human-like beings, this means that they are not humans, but humans-like qualities, yet still being above humans; immortal. The gods are not perfect beings. No gods is perfect, no being ever is, perfection is impossible. There are no ‘good’ gods, either. Only decent, bad, or evil. Just like us humans; no human is good, since why are have evil tendencies, being called ‘good’ is only ever a compliment, nothing more.

The gods live in a kingdom, and this kingdom is governed by the ‘king’ god. This god is not the be-all-end-all authority of the other gods, though. Think about how in real life that a king can be overruled, overthrown, all of these things. So yes, there is no being omni anything there. There are high and low gods; these gods have different amounts of power.
Are the gods the substances of that domain (like the god of the sea would be all of the water and other particles in the sea) or of events in that domain (like the god of the sea can’t climb up the cliff because the god of earth or gravity stops it)?
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The latter; you see, for instance, the god/goddess of the sea would be under something like ‘the order of waters’. And there would be other gods in that order. The order is only a grouping of gods/goddess. So for example, the god/goddess of the sea would be in charge of what happens with the sea, per each universe that was created and if they decided to implement seas in that universe, and nothing more than that.
Do you find that what dictates the order of the gods tends to comport with scientific observation/formulas/theories?
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The best way that I can describe it is as follows: This universe is an entity, which everything that we know branches from. The gods are not bound to this universe only. In fact, there is a god/goddess that is in charge of the universes that exist, which he/she goes through the god/goddess of existence, and together they work out a deal and create another universe if they deem it necessary. This god/goddess of existence is NOT the ‘supreme’ deity or anything. He/she simply has the power to bring things into existence, and visa versa. Nothing more than that. This is a massive misunderstanding that I’m trying to clear up.

Sorry if this is extremely confusing.
 
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But, it still begs the question: who or what created these gods?

Where are you getting your understanding from?
 
I think I answered that before in this thread.

Anyhow, I said that my beliefs make a distinction between natural and supernatural. If something is supernatural, then it does not have to be bound to natural laws, like entropy, death, birth. So a super natural being (a god/goddess) is timeless; they are not created nor destroyed.
 
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Hi, finally got around to answering this. I had to rewrite it several times, because I kept using too many characters. So this is the shorted way I can explain all of those questions to you.
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Ah, you can respond in multiple parts if you need to. Just “cut” the part that exceeds the character limit and “paste” it into a new post.

Umm, I think I’m having difficulty understanding. You say:
JoeVaghn said:
That’s correct; I do not believe in a supreme deity. I simply believe that ‘the supreme deity’ is existence itself;
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And then you say:
JoeVaghn said:
This god/goddess of existence is NOT the ‘supreme’ deity or anything. He/she simply has the power to bring things into existence, and visa versa.
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So the “supreme deity” is existence (not the god of existence), right? So, correct me if I’m wrong, but existence just is, and the god of existence just exists as a result of existence, and from there the rest of the gods might be able to be explained because the god of existence could bring them into existence (or maybe they popped into existence simultaneously with the god of existence, it’s irrelevant). But how does the “supreme deity” existence, bring about other things if it’s not intelligent like the rest of your gods? How could the god of existence be brought into existence? If the god of existence is going to be a brute fact, then it would seem the god of existence is synonymous with what you call the “supreme deity” of existence itself.
 
That’s alright. I’ve had others say that they lack understanding about what I’m saying, so since I have more space with this, I’ll answer it better, if I can.
So the “supreme deity” is existence (not the god of existence), right?
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You are correct.

When I wrote ‘the supreme deity’, I used apostrophes on purpose, because I’m signifying that it’s really a or the supreme deity itself, but that the following is what mean by supreme deity.

the ‘supreme deity’ is not an entity. Whatever exists, exists through it. A simpler way to understand it is with a jar. Now this jar can contain things, but the jar itself does nothing but contain that which exists in the jar. Make sense now? I sure hope so, friend.

Now this ‘jar’ has no ending, nor does it have a beginning, nor does it have any in between. Any being, whether infinite or finite, can only exist because it contained within the ‘supreme’ deity, in fact I’m going to stop calling it a deity, but rather existence itself. Existence does not create anything, but the since the gods are eternal, they already exist, regardless of what existence thinks, because it has no thought, or actions, or feelings, or judgment, or intimacy, or caring.
But how does the “supreme deity” existence, bring about other things if it’s not intelligent like the rest of your gods?
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How could the god of existence be brought into existence?
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Because the ‘supreme deity’, which is actually just existence, is a containment. The gods are eternal; therefore, they always existed within this containment.
If the god of existence is going to be a brute fact, then it would seem the god of existence is synonymous with what you call the “supreme deity” of existence itself.
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That logic is correct. I’m not saying that they is illogical, and in a way, you could look at it like that; but that is not necessarily what I mean what all that.

The god/goddess of existence allows any thing to exist, and denies any thing that right, if he/she so chooses. Existence does not care, (read the above paragraph), but the god/goddess of existence —> allows or denies any thing to exist within this container called existence. in other words, the god/goddess of existence is in charge of existence itself. They’re not synonymous, because they are completely separate.

Also, the god/goddess of existence doesn’t decide whether other gods/goddess exist or not. They are eternal, and they all work together. No one popped into existence; they always existed. It’s illogical for an everlasting being to be created or destroyed, since they are eternal, they cannot be created or destroyed; it’s the very definition of eternal.

Existence is the containment of that which exists.
The god or goddess of existence is eternal; has always existed, and is in charge of that which exists.

I seriously hope that helped. Forgive me if I’m powerless to explain it any better.
 
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Joe, why do you believe all this? What authority do you have that verifies this?

What we each believe is not just how things are for us, but how the universe is for every person. Are we as individuals so powerful that we can figure out how things are for the wjole of humanity? As we cannot have different conflicting versions of how things are we cannot each have our own individual version of the truth. So we need to rely on an authority to determine what the truth is and not just what we, as individuals, come up with.
 
I think you are really going to enjoy reading C.S. Lewis! I think it’s great that you are trying to have an honest search for Truth. I bet many folks on these boards have gone through a similar process. I called myself agnostic for many years.
Not to mention the obvious, but do you ever listen to Catholic radio? Once I started listening to that, I got a far deeper understanding of what the Church actually teaches.
 
I’d recommend starting with Bishop Robert Barron’s youtube videos.
You many want to start with The Church’s understanding of Genesis.
Peace be with you.
I hope you can open your heart and mind to an objective understanding
of The Church and that we were literally founded by Jesus Christ.
 
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