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Stephen168 said:
Christ and The Twelve apostles were not married. Paul was not one of the twelve but he was not married either and Paul clearly says it is best to not marry. The Catholic clergy continues in the example set by these men. And the Mormon Church claiming marriage is a requirement for salvation is not a Christian teaching.
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This is why I am astonished that there are single Mormons. Imagine being part of a church that judges you not worthy to go into the highest Heaven simply because you are not married. You aren’t worthy and you will never be worthy enough unless you can get someone to marry you. I know that there are single wards which can be used to meet a future spouse but I know not all adult Mormons are married.

Imagine if you were a single Mormon woman who has suffered a disfiguring accident. Chances are she will never marry. This woman will then be on the margins of Mormon life and in the life to come still in the margins of Heaven.
 
7armyrugrats said:
St. Peter WAS married. Jesus even cared for Peter’s mother in law. As for the rest of the Apostles I am unsure. I know Paul and John were single and remained single. And, yes, Jesus was never married.

Since there is no mention of Peter’s wife that I can recall, I always assumed he was widowed before Jesus called him, but he did visit his mother in law. And Jesus cured her at one point as well.
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Yes, St. Peter and St. Phillip WERE married before they were chosen by Christ to be one of The Twelve. As apostles they were not.
 
Sarcelle said:
This is why I am astonished that there are single Mormons. Imagine being part of a church that judges you not worthy to go into the highest Heaven simply because you are not married. You aren’t worthy and you will never be worthy enough unless you can get someone to marry you. I know that there are single wards which can be used to meet a future spouse but I know not all adult Mormons are married.

Imagine if you were a single Mormon woman who has suffered a disfiguring accident. Chances are she will never marry. This woman will then be on the margins of Mormon life and in the life to come still in the margins of Heaven.
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Yes, clearly this teaching is an invention of Mormonism and was NEVER a teaching of early or current Christianity.
 
twopekinguys said:
You are the one who made the statement, it is up to you to prove it. Whether it is proving the negative or not.

Don’t make assertions that cannot be backed up. It is really quite simple.

Try this little scripture on for size. John 21:25
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“And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.”*

Couple that with “Whole” households, and the argument for baptisms under age 8 is overwhelming.

You on the other hand have made an assertion you can’t back up. Tisk, Tisk.

Good try though. 👍

ETA: Now I suppose you’re going to start telling me the things that weren’t written down. 😃
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LDSYep, I see you have been online since this post was made.

You seem to have overlooked it, or maybe you are dodging, or backing out on your assertion.

Care to address it?
 
Ok, I have a question for our Mormon friend(s).

One of our older mormon posters (who is no longer with us) made a comment that if a person is convicted of a crime, and sent to prison, they are excommunicated

Let’s take Jodi Arias for example. She was a baptized mormon, and the man she is convicted of killing was also mormon.

If the excommunication thing is true, aren’t you abandoning people during a physical, emotional, and spiritual trauma in their life?

What if the person was erroneously convicted (obviously she wasn’t)? Aren’t you abandoning an innocent person? What if their innocence is proven? Do you just say “Oops, my bad?”

How do you reconcile this with Matthew 25:36, which says, “I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.”

I volunteer at a Federal Prison facility, doing a Bible Study, and Rosary, among other things, and we have to be re-certified on an annual basis. At these sessions, I have seen every possible religous denomination **except **mormon.
 
Still no response to post #522. I think they are valid questions or am I being rude.
 
twopekinguys said:
LDSYep, I see you have been online since this post was made.

You seem to have overlooked it, or maybe you are dodging, or backing out on your assertion.

Care to address it?
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If I were to state that a whole household smoked. And said household included a few minors, would you assume I referenced the minors smoking as well? Would it necessarily mean the minors smoked? My whole household smoked for quite some time. When I state this, I reference only those of us who could legally smoke.

Simply put, “whole household” does not necessitate infant baptism.
 
twopekinguys said:
Ok, I have a question for our Mormon friend(s).

One of our older mormon posters (who is no longer with us) made a comment that if a person is convicted of a crime, and sent to prison, they are excommunicated

Let’s take Jodi Arias for example. She was a baptized mormon, and the man she is convicted of killing was also mormon.

If the excommunication thing is true, aren’t you abandoning people during a physical, emotional, and spiritual trauma in their life?

What if the person was erroneously convicted (obviously she wasn’t)? Aren’t you abandoning an innocent person? What if their innocence is proven? Do you just say “Oops, my bad?”

How do you reconcile this with Matthew 25:36, which says, “I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.”

I volunteer at a Federal Prison facility, doing a Bible Study, and Rosary, among other things, and we have to be re-certified on an annual basis. At these sessions, I have seen every possible religous denomination **except **mormon.
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I don’t know. If they committed a crime worthy of excommunication they will be excommunicated. If there is an error God will take care of it. In the end, God will be just and merciful as is necessary and as He sees fit.
 
LDSYep said:
If I were to state that a whole household smoked. And said household included a few minors, would you assume I referenced the minors smoking as well? Would it necessarily mean the minors smoked? My whole household smoked for quite some time. When I state this, I reference only those of us who could legally smoke.

Simply put, “whole household” does not necessitate infant baptism.
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Strawman, and not a very good one at that.

But, I will play your little game. There are many households where minors smoke right along with their parents.

Care to try again?

Please provide proof for your assertion. You made it, the burden of proof is on you. What is your proof that children were not baptized?
 
LDSYep said:
I don’t know. If they committed a crime worthy of excommunication they will be excommunicated. If there is an error God will take care of it. In the end, God will be just and merciful as is necessary and as He sees fit.
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So, what you are saying is your man made religion would do nothing to make amends for messing up someone’s eternal salvation?

Also, you didn’t address how the scripture I gave you works with mormon procedures.

Please don’t dodge and evade.
 
I just dont understand why Jesus would say “Baptize everyone but infants” Is there something I missed when reading the Bible? I dont remember Him saying such a thing or anything being written in the OT against it 🤷
 
LDSYep said:
If I were to state that a whole household smoked. And said household included a few minors, would you assume I referenced the minors smoking as well? Would it necessarily mean the minors smoked? My whole household smoked for quite some time. When I state this, I reference only those of us who could legally smoke.

Simply put, “whole household” does not necessitate infant baptism.
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Except for your false assumption that baptism is illegal. As it has been pointed out, the bible tells us that baptism is for the remittance of Adam’s sin and it is the new circumcision. Reason tells we would not withhold baptism from an infant. History tells us the early Church did not. Simply put the Mormon Church is irrational and wrong.
 
I have another question for any mormon that reads this. A week and a half ago the missionaries told me that the first angel that appeared to joe smith was actually the devil trying to decieve him. I have never ever heard this coming from the lds church. Where does it come from and who? Is this something new that the lds church is trying to help others convert?
 
LDSYep said:
If I were to state that a whole household smoked. And said household included a few minors, would you assume I referenced the minors smoking as well? Would it necessarily mean the minors smoked? My whole household smoked for quite some time. When I state this, I reference only those of us who could legally smoke.

Simply put, “whole household” does not necessitate infant baptism.
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yes…it does.

if you said “whole household smoked…” my first question would be “even the kids?”

See, as the dictionary even told you…whole household means THE WHOLE HOUSEHOLD…

unless you are LDS…the kids are not important enough to be included
 
I know you are afraid to answer me, but since you used an example where the conduct was illegal for some (unlike baptism), let me ask you…

If I said the WHOLE HOUSEHOLD ate dinner, would you assume everyone ate, or that just folks over the age of 8 ate?
 
TexanKnight said:
I know you are afraid to answer me, but since you used an example where the conduct was illegal for some (unlike baptism), let me ask you…

If I said the WHOLE HOUSEHOLD ate dinner, would you assume everyone ate, or that just folks over the age of 8 ate?
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LOL. How about the whole household went on vacation?
 
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