Ask A Mormon

[andy92]

Is the father a physical entity? Mormons often refuse to answer this question and complain that they don’t know what physical means so I will define it. That is we a physical, able to be touched, felt, fit in places, the objects and creatures in the universe are physical. is the Father Physical?

Mormons believe in Elohim the first god that was Ruler of the first planet, Jesus and the “Heavenly Father” were both man once. Mormons believe that God (heavenly father -not elohim) came down from heaven in only spirit and had sex with Mary, that Jesus is then a demi-God. half man/half God.

Mormons believe in a principle called exultation that a man if “holy” enough could become like God and rule his own planet with spirit wives and children (which become humans). So thus Earth was not the first planet and you get the picture.

was Jesus created by the father in heaven before He became man?

From my experience, Mormons do not believe Jesus was Eternal just everlasting. Whereas Catholics believe He is both.

The LDS believe Adam became Michael, Noah became Gabriel, and Cain became Bigfoot.

interesante not heard this before any links for me to read more of!

 

[kimg901]

The my God your God argument is getting old but never mind that. I have to assume Zaff is talking about the Catholic Jesus. What Zaff said was that it may be blasphemy to say that the sacrifice of Christ was not sufficient for all sins. But if you say that blasphemy is a problem you are saying that Christ’s sacrfice is not sufficient for all sins. To say that, according to Zaff’s reasoning, is blasphemy of the Catholic Jesus. (which, according to Zaff’s reasoning, doesn’t matter).

Mt.Oly, Im going to be straight forward. All of what the lds church teaches is blasphemy. You can try and ignore the My God, your god argument all you want, but its true. Your first prophet right on down to your current one, your bishops, elders & all that follow the mormon teachings that Christ Church failed have been decieved by satan. Christ Church never failed, its still here and always will be and to say otherwise is blasphemy. Thats why you in fact worship other god(s) and another jesus and prophets and are not christians, well not until you decide to enter the real church and truly recieve the Lords Gifts.

 

[lynnettejane]

So let me get this straight. Since Mormons don’t believe the same as Catholic’s that Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross was sufficient for all sins, (a misinterpretation by the way). Mormons may be guilty of blasphemy? But since, as you say, Christs’ sacrifice was suffient for all sins, what then would be the problem?

Please explain the misrepresentation

 

[TexanKnight]

The my God your God argument is getting old but never mind that.

Truth sometimes gets old. The fact you believe in a different and false God is not only old, it is sad…but also true

 

[TexanKnight]

Exactly, being willing to follow the commandments of Jesus and our willingness to repent of our sins is the key. Understanding the importance of obedience and repentance is not belittling the sacrifice of Jesus.

You are putting me on!

No…he isn’t…otherwise, Joe would have been excommuncated

 

[mtolympus]

Please explain the misrepresentation

Here is Zaff’s quote from post #275 which is false and a complete misrepresentation of what the LDS believe: “I didn’t say it made perfect sense, I said it could make sense if a person doesn’t believe Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. If you have a low opinion regarding Christ’s work on the cross then I suppose you could say that something besides Christ’s sacrifice is necessary. The idea that God’s sacrifice could be insufficient strikes me as almost blasphemous but that’s what they believe.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is infinite for all mankind: “believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement which is infinite for all mankind” (2 Nephi 25:16)

The sacrifice of Jesus Christ overcame original sin for ALL mankind and therefore ALL mankind will be resurected: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:20-22)

Through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he became the author of eternal salvation for all who obey Him: “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Heb. 5:8-9)

 

[zaffiroborant]

Here is Zaff’s quote from post #275 which is false and a complete misrepresentation of what the LDS believe: “I didn’t say it made perfect sense, I said it could make sense if a person doesn’t believe Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. If you have a low opinion regarding Christ’s work on the cross then I suppose you could say that something besides Christ’s sacrifice is necessary. The idea that God’s sacrifice could be insufficient strikes me as almost blasphemous but that’s what they believe.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is infinite for all mankind: “believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement which is infinite for all mankind” (2 Nephi 25:16)

The sacrifice of Jesus Christ overcame original sin for ALL mankind and therefore ALL mankind will be resurected: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:20-22)

Through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he became the author of eternal salvation for all who obey Him: “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Heb. 5:8-9)

People who lie are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who steal are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who fornicate are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who commit adultery are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who murder are not obeying Christ they can repent, but not be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.

 

[kimg901]

Here is Zaff’s quote from post #275 which is false and a complete misrepresentation of what the LDS believe: “I didn’t say it made perfect sense, I said it could make sense if a person doesn’t believe Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. If you have a low opinion regarding Christ’s work on the cross then I suppose you could say that something besides Christ’s sacrifice is necessary. The idea that God’s sacrifice could be insufficient strikes me as almost blasphemous but that’s what they believe.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is infinite for all mankind: “believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement which is infinite for all mankind” (2 Nephi 25:16)

The sacrifice of Jesus Christ overcame original sin for ALL mankind and therefore ALL mankind will be resurected: “But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man come also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.” (1 Cor. 15:20-22)

Through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, he became the author of eternal salvation for all who obey Him: “Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.” (Heb. 5:8-9)

But you havent obeyed Him have you? You choose to believe in a man made religion rather than follow His Church and His Teachings? You choose to believe in multiple gods than believe in the One True Living God? You choose to believe He failed His Church and left it apostate for 1,600 years or more when He said He wouldnt. Do you really think you can be forgiven? From what Scripture says you cant and that goes for all mormons. You deny the Holy Spirit just be denying God, The Father and The Son. How do you deny this? Simply by listening and believing in men and there thoughts and their false doctrines that cant be proven. We all pray for your souls

 

[mtolympus]

People who lie are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who steal are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who fornicate are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who commit adultery are not obeying Christ but can repent and be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.
People who murder are not obeying Christ they can repent, but not be forgiven through Christ’s sacrifice.

The blood of Jesus was shed for “MANY” for the remission of sins. The “Many” are those who repent and are baptized for the remission of sins: *“And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” *(Matt. 26:27-28). emphasis added

Because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ we have the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins: “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” (Mark 1:4-5)

Because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, through baptism our sins are washed away: *“And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” *(Acts 22:16)

 

[zaffiroborant]

The blood of Jesus was shed for “MANY” for the remission of sins. The “Many” are those who repent and are baptized for the remission of sins: "And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (Matt. 26:27-28). emphasis added

Because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ we have the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins: “John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. And there went out unto him all the land of Judea, and they of Jerusalem, and were all baptized of him in the river of Jordan, confessing their sins.” (Mark 1:4-5)

Because of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, through baptism our sins are washed away: *“And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.” *(Acts 22:16)

And??? Murderers can repent but they can not be forgiven, what’s your point?

 

[mtolympus]

And??? Murderers can repent but they can not be forgiven, what’s your point?

Part of repentance is restoring what you have taken. Restoring an innocent life is not possible. My point is Christ can forgive who he wants to forgive. Christ is the one that made the infinite sacrifice, I’ll let Christ be the judge.

 

[andy92]

Part of repentance is restoring what you have taken. Restoring an innocent life is not possible. My point is Christ can forgive who he wants to forgive. Christ is the one that made the infinite sacrifice, I’ll let Christ be the judge.

For the record the Catholic Church teaches that murders and all can be forgiven by God and are forgiven the second of contrite repentance. Catholics believe in the redemption of Man thru the Crucifixion.

CCC 2844 Christian prayer extends to the forgiveness of enemies,transfiguring the disciple by configuring him to his Master. Forgiveness is a high-point of Christian prayer; only hearts attuned to God’s compassion can receive the gift of prayer. Forgiveness also bears witness that, in our world, love is stronger than sin. The martyrs of yesterday and today bear this witness to Jesus. Forgiveness is the fundamental condition of the reconciliation of the children of God with their Father and of men with one another.

CF.2 Cor 5:18-21; John Paul II, DM 14.

God can forgive and does forgive murders. All mortal sins are just that they are you damning yourself to hell. Repentance is asking God to help you back up.

 

[Stephen168]

Part of repentance is restoring what you have taken. Restoring an innocent life is not possible. My point is Christ can forgive who he wants to forgive. Christ is the one that made the infinite sacrifice, I’ll let Christ be the judge.

No; part of repentance is not restoring what you have taken. Repentance is turning from sin; changing your life to the good. Christ died for all our sins and the Mormon Church is not letting Christ be the judge by teaching otherwise.

This seems like another example for the Mormon Church leading its people into apostasy.

 

[TexanKnight]

Here is Zaff’s quote from post #275 which is false and a complete misrepresentation of what the LDS believe: “I didn’t say it made perfect sense, I said it could make sense if a person doesn’t believe Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. If you have a low opinion regarding Christ’s work on the cross then I suppose you could say that something besides Christ’s sacrifice is necessary. The idea that God’s sacrifice could be insufficient strikes me as almost blasphemous but that’s what they believe.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is infinite for all mankind: “believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement which is infinite for all mankind” (2 Nephi 25:16)

no…that is ONE THING they SOMETIMES teach. IF it was sufficient, you would not have to pay your to heaven. Further, Joseph would not be one of the ones judging on the last day (as BY said)

 

[Stephen168]

mtolympus;10679891:

Here is Zaff’s quote from post #275 which is false and a complete misrepresentation of what the LDS believe: “I didn’t say it made perfect sense, I said it could make sense if a person doesn’t believe Christ’s sacrifice was sufficient for all sin. If you have a low opinion regarding Christ’s work on the cross then I suppose you could say that something besides Christ’s sacrifice is necessary. The idea that God’s sacrifice could be insufficient strikes me as almost blasphemous but that’s what they believe.”

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believe the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is infinite for all mankind: “believe in Christ, the Son of God, and the atonement which is infinite for all mankind” (2 Nephi 25:16)

no…that is ONE THING they SOMETIMES teach. IF it was sufficient, you would not have to pay your to heaven. Further, Joseph would not be one of the ones judging on the last day (as BY said)

Is there any correlation between the Book of Mormon and what the Mormon Church teaches?

 

[zaffiroborant]

Part of repentance is restoring what you have taken. Restoring an innocent life is not possible. My point is Christ can forgive who he wants to forgive. Christ is the one that made the infinite sacrifice, I’ll let Christ be the judge.

So how does a child rapist restore the child’s innocence, trust and virginity? If you gossip and lie about someone, call a business man a cheat or a women a tramp how do you take back those words from everyone who heard them so that not one person doubts them? If you commit adultery how do you restore your spouse to their un-hurt condition? If you steal from someone and you give back how do you restore their trust in other people? Restoring virginity is not possible, restoring trust is not possible, restoring peace of mind is not possible thus in LDS theology forgiveness is impossible.

 

[TexanKnight]

Is there any correlation between the Book of Mormon and what the Mormon Church teaches?

Sometimes. And when it diverges, they simply rewrite the Book of Mormon sections they need to rewrite to make it comply with current teachings

 

[TexanKnight]

Is there any correlation between the Book of Mormon and what the Mormon Church teaches?

keep in mind that the LDS Doctrine AND the LDS god are both very liquid and evolving things. Both the doctrine and god change with the times and with discoveries. The same goes with LDS teachings.

If you dislike something about LDS doctrine, god and/or teaching, just be patient…it is liable to change to something more your liking.

 

[eddie_too]

why do mormons believe moroni was an angel sent by “the heavenly father” and not a devil sent by satan to deceive joseph smith?

 

[zaffiroborant]

Sometimes. And when it diverges, they simply rewrite the Book of Mormon sections they need to rewrite to make it comply with current teachings

Or just delete things like this that used to be part of the D&C.

According to the custom of all civilized nations, marriage is regulated by laws and ceremonies: therefore we believe, that all marriages in this Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints should be solemnized in a public meeting, or feast, prepared for that purpose: and that the solemnization should be performed by a presiding high priest, high priest, bishop, elder, or priest, not even prohibiting those persons who are desirous to get married, of being married by other authority.

We believe that it is not right to prohibit members of this church from marrying out of the church, if it be their determination so to do, but such persons will be considered weak in the faith of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ…

Far cry from the secret weddings that now prevail.