Stephen168
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Catholic beliefs are consistent with the Bible, history, and reason. Protestant teaching on credo-baptism is consistent with reason. Mormon teaching on baptism is not ahistorical, irrational, and not biblical.
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Porknpie
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Tex,
Does a household have a street address? I assume this is where the family lives…
Logic: household = family = has street address
If infants and small children are not a part of the household…then they are not part of the family… and they have no street address?
Where then can I go to find them?
Pork
(ps … I’m reading Socrates…he’d love this)
Stephen168
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It is my understand that there are two flavors of protestants on this issue. One accepts the ancient Christian teaching of Adam’s sin, believes that baptism washes away sin, and they baptize their children as infants. The others invented the ‘believer’s baptism’; they reject the teaching of Adam’s sin, reject the belief that baptism ‘does’ anything (nothing ‘happens’), and reject infant baptism.
Joseph Smith was raised closest to the first group which explains why he taught that baptism is for the forgiveness of sin. But he was also raised in a time and place of independent anything goes preaching, so I’m sure he knew of the believer’s baptism group, too. Smith being an American of the time (anti-catholic), blended the two together. Mormons have most of the ancient belief of what happens at baptism but with a need to reject the great abominable church; they reject ancient practice. To justify the rejection of ancient practice, they must reject the biblical teaching of the sin of Adam, and reject biblical teaching of baptism being the circumcision of the new covenant.
I understand why Mormons have no NEED to baptize infants but their rejection of infant baptism is just irrational anti-Catholicism. I think it is interesting that they believe a child is born without any sin but some how at the age of eight; they now have sin and must be baptized.
Joseph Smith was raised closest to the first group which explains why he taught that baptism is for the forgiveness of sin. But he was also raised in a time and place of independent anything goes preaching, so I’m sure he knew of the believer’s baptism group, too. Smith being an American of the time (anti-catholic), blended the two together. Mormons have most of the ancient belief of what happens at baptism but with a need to reject the great abominable church; they reject ancient practice. To justify the rejection of ancient practice, they must reject the biblical teaching of the sin of Adam, and reject biblical teaching of baptism being the circumcision of the new covenant.
I understand why Mormons have no NEED to baptize infants but their rejection of infant baptism is just irrational anti-Catholicism. I think it is interesting that they believe a child is born without any sin but some how at the age of eight; they now have sin and must be baptized.
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RebeccaJ
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When considering becoming Catholic, I also considered becoming Episcopalian. I had no strong feelings at the time regarding gay marriage, ordination of women, baptism, hierarchy of the church, etc. My personal and political views were more in line with Episcopalians, and so I thought I might fit in better at St. James Episcopal church.
After going to church at St… James a couple of times, I decided to read up on the history of the Episcopalian church. As soon as I figured out it was an American version of Anglicanism, and the history of it being one man firing up his own church, I was done with going to St. James.
I figure, Mormonism is one of the ultimate ends of Protestantism. Having rejected that Christ is present in His own Church, there is no end to the possibilities of claims. Anyone can fire up their own church and claim it is the church of Christ.
I see no reason to believe Mormonism is a special case. It is founded on one man firing up his own church, and it remains a common attribute of Mormons. Mormons always claiming their own personal ideas are what constitutes Christ’s Church. Some taking the step to, yes, fire up their own church.
Nonsense to me, but obviously it appeals to a lot of people. I think if you’re going to be Protestant, you may as well be Mormon. Who has the greater claim, Calvin, Smith, White?
My opinion is none of the above.
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zaffiroborant
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Pretty cold toward infants, not part of the household.
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twopekinguys
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Here we go with a dictionary lesson again.
Whole would mean complete. Complete would then mean everyone in the household, including children. I can’t imagine they went door to door and ignored the kids, can you? It really isn’t logical.
Please provide proof for your assertion that children under 8 were not included.
I hate to tell you, but Scripture comes down on the side of Catholicism, and the majority of protestant religions.
Good try though.
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7armyrugrats
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Yes, this exactly. I seem to remember Jesus saying to let the children come to Him. I don’t recall him adding, “Except for Baptism. For Baptism they must wait until they are older and can reason it out for themselves.” It just doesn’t seem that it would work that way.Here we go with a dictionary lesson again.
Whole would mean complete. Complete would then mean everyone in the household, including children. I can’t imagine they went door to door and ignored the kids, can you? It really isn’t logical.
Please provide proof for your assertion that children under 8 were not included.
I hate to tell you, but Scripture comes down on the side of Catholicism, and the majority of protestant religions.
Good try though.
Any way, happy Mother’s Day to all you moms out there! My daughter was Baptized today! She is 2 months old, so I guess it doesn’t count for some people, but it was so beautiful. Even though she is our eighth baby to be baptized, I still cry every time.
My baptism question is about the practice if baptizing the dead. How is this possible, what is its purpose, and how can it be reconciled with scripture? Also, what if the person never wanted a Mormon baptism? And how can you know if they would ever want one?
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twopekinguys
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The mormon view of baptism of the dead comes from a single verse (I believe) in 1 Cor. 15:29, which they take out of context.
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kimg901
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They believe they are doing all of us a favor because our baptisms are not valid in their eyes. They have baptized many of our fellow catholics and even the Virgin Mary
Does anyone know if they ever baptized muslims?
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Fairwinds
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Mr Mormon: I’m constantly bothered by LDS missionaries who won’t take no for an answer. How do I get on the “do not ever visit” list? I’m serious, I have a famously short temper and vicious dogs.
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Strevel
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While I was a Mormon and did not have my life or mind together, I went on a mission as a teenager. I went to the California Oakland Mission. The best way to stop them is to 1) If you have a gate, keep it closed and locked. This will stop people that will come to your door as a cover to scout out your home for a future robbery. Have a big dog (always worked with me, hahahaha) and put out a sign stating that fact. 
2) Don’t open the door…period.
Tell them that you worship satan and your coven is looking for a volunteer to sacrifice…come on in! It’ll freak them the hell out and they’ll run away. 
Don’t even hold a conversation with them past, “Get out of my front yard now, you are trespassing”. I had two guys come to my door last week and just told them one word, NO" and shut the door. See guys, they call us openly, “The Great Whore of the Earth”. They openly make great fun of us in their Churches and actively proselyte against us for political gain with Protestants, …who they then try to convert as well".
They are the MLM of religion.
Side note: their members are leaving so fast that they are at the moment having trouble functioning as an institution. Why, they have weird beliefs, God and Satan are brothers, god is a man that lives on a Planet near a place called Kolob… and it goes on.
eh, just tell them to get the hell outta your front yard.
Don in Las Vegas
2) Don’t open the door…period.Tell them that you worship satan and your coven is looking for a volunteer to sacrifice…come on in!
It’ll freak them the hell out and they’ll run away. Don’t even hold a conversation with them past, “Get out of my front yard now, you are trespassing”. I had two guys come to my door last week and just told them one word, NO" and shut the door. See guys, they call us openly, “The Great Whore of the Earth”. They openly make great fun of us in their Churches and actively proselyte against us for political gain with Protestants, …who they then try to convert as well".
They are the MLM of religion.
Side note: their members are leaving so fast that they are at the moment having trouble functioning as an institution. Why, they have weird beliefs, God and Satan are brothers, god is a man that lives on a Planet near a place called Kolob… and it goes on.
eh, just tell them to get the hell outta your front yard.
Don in Las Vegas
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Strevel
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Mormons contort the Bible and use predominantly their own books they created. Most of the **** they believe doesn’t even make any sense. It did not make sense when I was one, When you get to a point that it does not make sense (as a Mormon) you just blame your theological goofiness on God and say he will reveal it to future generations. What a diaper load.
We baptize based upon the original Christian perception of sin. Mormons baptize NOT,not for Christ or sin but for membership in their Church. Big freakin difference and purpose. One has your soul as the central cause, function and purpose with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the key. The other (Mormons) is a membership a a discount store. I choose Jesus Christ and the sacraments.
Don in Vegas
We baptize based upon the original Christian perception of sin. Mormons baptize NOT,not for Christ or sin but for membership in their Church. Big freakin difference and purpose. One has your soul as the central cause, function and purpose with the sacrifice of Jesus Christ as the key. The other (Mormons) is a membership a a discount store. I choose Jesus Christ and the sacraments.
Don in Vegas
Here we go with a dictionary lesson again.
Whole would mean complete. Complete would then mean everyone in the household, including children. I can’t imagine they went door to door and ignored the kids, can you? It really isn’t logical.
Please provide proof for your assertion that children under 8 were not included.
I hate to tell you, but Scripture comes down on the side of Catholicism, and the majority of protestant religions.
Good try though.
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Fairwinds
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this is the topic on another thread, where some ideas are being batted around, but I thought a Mormon would be the best source for an answer.While I was a Mormon and did not have my life or mind together, I went on a mission as a teenager. I went to the California Oakland Mission. The best way to stop them is to 1) If you have a gate, keep it closed and locked. This will stop people that will come to your door as a cover to scout out your home for a future robbery. Have a big dog (always worked with me, hahahaha) and put out a sign stating that fact.
Tell them that you worship satan and your coven is looking for a volunteer to sacrifice…come on in!
Don’t even hold a conversation with them past, “Get out of my front yard now, you are trespassing”. I had two guys come to my door last week and just told them one word, NO" and shut the door. See guys, they call us openly, “The Great Whore of the Earth”. They openly make great fun of us in their Churches and actively proselyte against us for political gain with Protestants, …who they then try to convert as well".
They are the MLM of religion.
Side note: their members are leaving so fast that they are at the moment having trouble functioning as an institution. Why, they have weird beliefs, God and Satan are brothers, god is a man that lives on a Planet near a place called Kolob… and it goes on.
eh, just tell them to get the hell outta your front yard.
Don in Las Vegas
hope you’re enjoying the last few days of decent weather we’re getting.
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eddie_too
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do mormons believe in hell as a state of eternal damnation with no hope of change?
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RebeccaJ
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No. They call that heaven.
Seriously, not joking, if you don’t make it to their highest heaven, but one of the lower two heavens, “eternal damnation” means to a Mormon that you won’t progress to godhood.
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campeador
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Dictionary.com’s definition of Telestial Kingdom: dictionary.reference.com/browse/telestial%20kingdom?fromAsk=true&o=100074
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xixxvmcm85
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In order:
- Tell the missionaries to never visit you again (and in no uncertain terms).
- Call their mission president and tell him that you wish to never have an LDS missionary visit your house again.
- Call the police.
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xixxvmcm85
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Sorry. I confused you with another poster from that other thread. My first three suggestions nevertheless stand, and I back it with former-Mormon-missionary-now-Catholic-cred status
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TexanKnight
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guess the dictionary lesson scared him away
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LDSYep
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Yes. This is what we term Outer Darkness. However, LDS believe that the only people that will spend eternity in Outer Darkness are those who make a willing and educated choice to rebel against God. We believe that the Atonement allows all who desire to be in Heaven to be in Heaven. Each individual’s reward in Heaven differs.
You are incorrect. All of Heaven progresses, simply at extraordinarily differing rates. Those who are Terestrial will never equal those who are Celestial. Those who are Telestial will never equal those who are Terestrial. You will always be, relatively, Celestial, Terestrial or Telestial.
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