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is the official doctrine of the lds well-defined and easily attainable?

is the official doctrine of the lds different now than it was fifty years ago?

for example, was it the official doctrine of the lds fifty years ago that negroes could not be in the lds priesthood?

or, was it the offical doctrine of the lds one hundred and fifty years ago that polygamy was a legitimate and desirable state of life?

or, is it now the offical doctrine of the lds that the planet kolub is a real and physical planet?

a large part of the problem the lds has with its missionary effort is the fact that the lds official doctrines are changeable from one generation to the next.

if something that was true one hundred years ago is not true today, then why live according to the lds teachings of today because they may be different tomorrow?
 
is the official doctrine of the lds well-defined and easily attainable?

is the official doctrine of the lds different now than it was fifty years ago?

for example, was it the official doctrine of the lds fifty years ago that negroes could not be in the lds priesthood?

or, was it the offical doctrine of the lds one hundred and fifty years ago that polygamy was a legitimate and desirable state of life?

or, is it now the offical doctrine of the lds that the planet kolub is a real and physical planet?

a large part of the problem the lds has with its missionary effort is the fact that the lds official doctrines are changeable from one generation to the next.

if something that was true one hundred years ago is not true today, then why live according to the lds teachings of today because they may be different tomorrow?
Relative to the priesthood ban, my best example is the Bible itself, where all men of that time did not hold the priesthood, so in your view was God being a racist in terms who could hold the priesthood?

The end of polygamy was as a result of a revelation from God — that is official doctrine.

The planet Kolub — I have no idea what you are talking about at all.

Official doctrine could be different by revelation from the prophet only.
 
you have never heard of the planet kolub? that causes me to question your knowledge of the lds religion. you know little about it and are not a good source of what the lds teaches. and the fact that your “prophet” of today can teach differently than your “prophet” of fifty years ago is the exact problem with the lds religion. it has no consistency. it cannot possess the truth because it teaches that the truth is relative. catholics define the truth as exactly the opposite of relativism. the lds defines most words differently from how catholics define the same word. the truth cannot change for a catholic. the truth changes regularly for a mormon.
 
Relative to the priesthood ban, my best example is the Bible itself, where all men of that time did not hold the priesthood, so in your view was God being a racist in terms who could hold the priesthood?
This analogy has never set well with me. Surely you can see a difference between restricting something to a certain group of people and freely giving it to everyone except one group?

Is there a difference between: “I’m having a BBQ this weekend and I’m only inviting my family” and “I’m having a BBQ this weekend and I’m inviting everyone on the block, except my Black neighbors”?
The end of polygamy was as a result of a revelation from God — that is official doctrine.
It is nevertheless a change. Whether justifiable will depend on the reader’s POV. While the practice of polygamy has stopped due to a revelation from God, the doctrine of polygamy, it could be argued, hasn’t changed: Polygamy is morally OK when it is commanded by God and only when he commands it. This may open up the conversation to whether his command has changed (and to what extent that is reconcilable with an unchanging God). In my opinion, D&C 132 pretty explicitly makes the case that Plural Marriages were to occur in perpetuity.
The planet Kolub — I have no idea what you are talking about at all.
He’s talking about Kolob, but erroneously calling it a planet, rather than a star.
 
you have never heard of the planet kolub? that causes me to question your knowledge of the lds religion. you know little about it and are not a good source of what the lds teaches. and the fact that your “prophet” of today can teach differently than your “prophet” of fifty years ago is the exact problem with the lds religion. it has no consistency. it cannot possess the truth because it teaches that the truth is relative. catholics define the truth as exactly the opposite of relativism. the lds defines most words differently from how catholics define the same word. the truth cannot change for a catholic. the truth changes regularly for a mormon.
You have made my point — the LDS church is a church of relevation, meaning if a prior prophet said doctrine was what it was during his time and the current prophet received a revelation that differed in some way ---- my additional point is this — I suppose that for some this makes the church false because revelation from God maybe different between prophets — my reply to that is this, the church belongs to Jesus Christ and so the only way I know that Joseph Smith had the First Vision is true was first to learn about, pray through the Holy Ghost that it is true since I was not around back in 1820. Another example would be when Christ was here in the flesh — the Jews know the Law of Moses and Christ came and some things changed.
 
Maybe…but I was not just former LDS. I was a missionary, in the bishopric, and in the EQ presidency. I was certainly knowledgeable enough, in the eyes of the LDS Church, to TEACH their doctrine…

I do not lie
 
you have never heard of the planet kolub? that causes me to question your knowledge of the lds religion. you know little about it and are not a good source of what the lds teaches. and the fact that your “prophet” of today can teach differently than your “prophet” of fifty years ago is the exact problem with the lds religion. it has no consistency. it cannot possess the truth because it teaches that the truth is relative. catholics define the truth as exactly the opposite of relativism. the lds defines most words differently from how catholics define the same word. the truth cannot change for a catholic. the truth changes regularly for a mormon.
Unfortunately, it is you that has things a bit twisted around.

In mormonism, god lives on the planet closest to the star Kolob.

IF we are going to show the errors of mormonism, it is important we are portraying their errors accurately.
 
I make this thread in the hopes that as a whole, we can better understand someone’s religion who is still affiliated with them. I’ve noticed a lot of threads about the Mormon Church and so I wanted to start this thread to answer any questions that someone might have about the faith.

I am a return missionary currently attending BYU, was born and raised in the covenant and attend church every week. I will do my best to answer any question to the best ability of a typical mormon. I’ll be truthful with my answers and won’t sugar coat anything. If I don’t know the answer, I’ll tell you. You can know what the church is teaching now, what it taught, and why the changes.

The only thing i do ask however, is that you refrain from questions regarding sacred promises and acts within the temple. We believe we have made a promise not to indulge what goes on purely out of respect for God and His Holy Temple.

Also, HUGE reason we believe things that we do is because we have first gained a testimony in the Book of Mormon, that Joseph Smith is a true prophet and has restored Christ’s church on the earth.

Also, i apologize if i can’t get to everyone’s questions, hopefully there are other LDS here who are willing to provide answers for you also.
Why are your temple ceremonies kept secret?
 
My name is Don. I was LDS. My LDS membership was removed at my request. Having your records removed is something that the Mormons (LDS) are experiencing in ever increasing numbers because the members are now accessing the internet and finding out that the things that made no sense to them, that they wee told to pray about and accept, were not true, were made up, and that they were being diluded and being used. This “officially leaving” is growing geometrically and scaring the hell out of the leadership. In times past it was just a few people at the lowest possible levels that officially left. Now, with access to the internet and information flowing more freely people are seeing that they have been made foolsof, and the leadership in parts of the world is leaving as well. Now Bishops and Stake Presidents are throwing in the towel.
Mormons will tell you that they do not talk about the Temple Ceremonies because they are “sacred”. Actually, that is not the case, The Mormons Temple ceremonies have been altered due to their weirdness. One of the eternal and unchanging parts that was changed was the fact that we, as Catholics were presented as direct and personal, … tools of Satan. Parts where Mormons would kill other Mormons by “ripping out their bowels” for telling what went on inside the temple was also removed. THAT is why, originally, that no one said what went on inside the temples… they could and some were killed for disclosing the temple secrets. Remember, they know that Brigham Young sent men togo out to shoot Mormons leaving UT to go to CA… no lie folks, he did that. They know that no one will shoot them in todays world, but that memory remains. They can and will get you in some way f you repeat things, even among other Mormons. This part of gushing out the bowels and cutting of the throat were taken literally and were very embarrassing. Those parts were removed quietly.
The Mormons will always tell you that they do not disclose what goes on in the temple because it is sacred. There is nothing sacred about the internal ceremonies of the Mormon Temples. It is just so damned weird that no one would believe it. They used to touch your body in the “washing and anointing” parts of the ceremony. I might add here that you can google to learn more about this as well as see secret tapings of this from inside the temples.
The Mormon Temple Ceremonies are from God the Mormons will say. In reality, their founder Joseph Smith, was a Mason, and stole the temple ceremonies from the Masons. Mormons will bristle at that reality, but its true. If you look at the masonic rituals, and look at the Mormons rituals, they are the same in all areas except in a few small places where Joseph Smith embellished them for his own use and aggrandizement. It is like your right shoe and left shoe… the same. He took the Masonic Temple rituals, taped on a God piece of paper so to speak, and said that it was revealed by God to him.
The person that introduced this into our group is a person that put only the two years of his life into a Mission it is called. Our Priests give their entire lives into their cause. Having done exactly as he did, serve a Mission, I can share that he is having a bit of difficulty in leaving his mission and getting on with his life. His purpose is to convert others to Mormonism. He is having difficulty in segwaying from his two year mission into real life.
Who am I? I am a Catholic that made the serious mistake of becoming a Mormon for a while. I still remember with great pains the difficulties in the Mormon experience. I was a missionary for the Mormons in the California Oakland Mission. The experience was so far from Christian that I wrote a letter to leave the Mormon faith, as as legally required, they complied. If you are interested in the process of leaving the Mormons email removalinfo@LasVegasDon.com. It is an automated system, it is unmanned. It will tell you how to leave the Mormons. Your email will be responded to in about one minute with the information. It will automatically go back to the email address that you emailed it from.
I was a Mormon, returned to the Catholic Church, went to confession and have a wonderful life now full of joy, excitement and success and most of all, Christ, the real Christ.
Pax Vobiscum,
Don
 
There is a definite pattern to their postings.

Usually it starts off by playing the persecution card when they are faced with questions they can’t answer.

Then, it moves into either hiding out for a while and hoping it blows over, or it moves into abandoning a thread all together.

When really pressed on an issue for which they have no answer, or don’t want to answer, they bare their testimony, and disappear…

Of course, there are variations to this, but, this is pretty darn close.
I was a Mormon, and you are so accurate in your observations !

Don, Pax vobiscum
 
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Speaking with a Mormon is a bit like talking to a radio. There is something there, but it runs on its own and is never once connected to the issue at hand. It talks, but it does so for the commerciales it gives to you for their products and services.

Ignore the kid.

Don
 
Speaking with a Mormon is a bit like talking to a radio. There is something there, but it runs on its own and is never once connected to the issue at hand. It talks, but it does so for the commerciales it gives to you for their products and services.

Ignore the kid.

Don
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Hello. Let me first off say that I respect the boldness that Mormons have in attempting to share their faith. More Catholics should have this attitude. However, I recognize the serious differences that we have. I heard on Catholic answers live and I looked it up myself and I confirmed that the Mormon doctrine of exaltation contradicts both the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine & Covenants.In Moroni 8: 18 we read, “For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.” Mormon 9:9-10 states, "For do we not read that God is the asame byesterday, today, and forever, and in him there is no cvariableness neither shadow of changing?

10 And now, if ye have imagined up unto yourselves a god who doth vary, and in whom there is shadow of changing, then have ye imagined up unto yourselves a god who is not a God of miracles"

Finally, Doctrine and Covenants 20:12, “Thereby showing that he is the same God yesterday, today, and forever.”

I think these make it pretty clear that the original “revelations” to Joseph Smith stated that God has been the same from the beginning and never changed from some other state of being and never will change.

However, many Mormons are familiar with the King Follett Discourse, and especially Joseph Smith’s statements about Mormon exaltation. We read, "God himself, who sits enthroned in yonder heaven, is a man like one of you. That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today and you were to see the great God who holds this world in its orbit and upholds all things by his power, you would see him in the image and very form of a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion and image of God. He received instruction from and walked, talked, and conversed with him as one man talks and communes with another. " A few paragraphs later he goes on to state, “And you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves–to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done–by going from a small degree to another, from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you are able to sit in glory as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power.”

How do Mormons reconcile these major differences? If my understanding is correct, revelation given to whoever the current Mormon president is trumps revelation given to a previous president, (that doesn’t make sense either, does God change his mind?) but if the same prophet receives new revelation that is contradictory to previous revelation, what are the followers supposed to believe? It would seem that Joseph Smith is going against God’s original revelations.
 
How do Mormons reconcile these major differences? If my understanding is correct, revelation given to whoever the current Mormon president is trumps revelation given to a previous president, (that doesn’t make sense either, does God change his mind?) but if the same prophet receives new revelation that is contradictory to previous revelation, what are the followers supposed to believe? It would seem that Joseph Smith is going against God’s original revelations.
I didn’t see any differences in your previous post. I think that Mormons believe that God is an active God who deals directly with His representatives during current time frames. I think that this was no different in the Old and New Testaments when God directed His will through his prophets.
 
I didn’t see any differences in your previous post. I think that Mormons believe that God is an active God who deals directly with His representatives during current time frames. I think that this was no different in the Old and New Testaments when God directed His will through his prophets.
Pretty much, yes.
They see God as being a very active God in this time and place and their prophet is His spokeman for the present day…
 
Pretty much, yes.
They see God as being a very active God in this time and place and their prophet is His spokeman for the present day…
I think that this is true. A Mormon prophet is also a husband and a father. I remember listening to Edward Kimball talk about his father Spencer Kimball who was also a Mormon prophet. According to Edward his father was very much a human being and a husband and father. No different from anyone else except that he had the calling of prophet. This put it all in a very human perspective.

youtube.com/watch?v=D4pmYZwf-i8
 
I think that this is true. A Mormon prophet is also a husband and a father. I remember listening to Edward Kimball talk about his father Spencer Kimball who was also a Mormon prophet. According to Edward his father was very much a human being and a husband and father. No different from anyone else except that he had the calling of prophet. This put it all in a very human perspective.
I remember when SWK was prophet. A very humble, simple man. A man of very little education. Off the farm if I recall correctly. His tie? He would leave it over the door knob, never fully untied, ready to grab at a moment’s notice…

I remember a talk saying something to the effect, because he was a simple man, only God would call him to be a prophet, because he was that simple and uneducated of a man…He was not the kind of man other men would think highly of…
 
I remember when SWK was prophet. A very humble, simple man. A man of very little education. Off the farm if I recall correctly. His tie? He would leave it over the door knob, never fully untied, ready to grab at a moment’s notice…

I remember a talk saying something to the effect, because he was a simple man, only God would call him to be a prophet, because he was that simple and uneducated of a man…He was not the kind of man other men would think highly of…
I linked the comments that his son said about him above but I will also do it here now:

youtube.com/watch?v=D4pmYZwf-i8
 
I remember when SWK was prophet. A very humble, simple man. A man of very little education. Off the farm if I recall correctly. His tie? He would leave it over the door knob, never fully untied, ready to grab at a moment’s notice…

I remember a talk saying something to the effect, because he was a simple man, only God would call him to be a prophet, because he was that simple and uneducated of a man…He was not the kind of man other men would think highly of…
he was the “prophet” when I was a missionary
 
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