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8:12-17 "Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you. Give firmness to the believers. I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers. Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them. This because they contend against God and his apostle. If any contend against God and his apostle, God is strict in punishment … O ye who believe. When ye meet the unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day, unless it be a stratagem of war … he draws on himself the wrath of God and his abode is Hell, an evil refuge (indeed).”

8:59-60 “Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly). They will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies of God and your enemies and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom God doth know …”

8:65 “O apostle! Rouse the believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred. If a hundred they will vanquish a thousand of the unbelievers, for these are a people without understanding.”

9:5 “… fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war) …”

9:14 “Fight them, and God will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame …”

9:29 “Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and his apostle nor acknowledge the Religion of Truth (even if they are) of the people of the Book, until they pay the Jizya [religious tax] with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.”

47:4 “Therefore, when ye meet the unbelievers, smite at their necks, at length when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them) … but if it had been God’s will, he could certainly have exacted retribution from them (himself), but (he lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the way of God, he will never let their deeds be lost.”

61:4 “Truly God loves those who fight in His cause in battle array, as if they were a solid cemented structure.”
I was looking for a Catholic Version Bible and I ended up here…I do not like to argue…I saw very RUDE expression from what so called Catholics…Jesus did not teach that…I will make time and find the answers for you, even that I know you’re not looking for them, you already have you mind set…but it’s my duty to share with you and your role is to decide…Thank you…ISYD
Another point is you here display a typical Islamic reaction. A criticism of Islam is deemed ‘rude’ (most times its deemed an ‘insult’). That’s the problem with Islam is that those who follow it, even self-proclaimed moderates can’t abide any critique of it.
 
To All:

It’s 9:26am (Easter) and I just wake up and read your replies.
What I said about Hitler I learned from non Muslim, here is what I copied and pasted here:

Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
Code:
"****My feelings as a Christian**** points me to **my Lord and Savior as a fighter**.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as **a sufferer but as a fighter**.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  **As a Christian **I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have **the duty to be a fighter** for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For **as a Christian** I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
You can google this to check it.

Hitler wth Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

Click here to check his pictures with the Catholic Bishop:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler-rcc4.bmp&imgrefurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm&h=340&w=265&sz=91&hl=en&start=117&tbnid=q1oNHh5JUXXqeM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%22hitler%22%26start%3D108%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Well, you may copy and paste others too showing he is not a Christian, but I am convinced he was a Christian and did all the killing based on a Christian faith. Most Christians cannot handle this, but it’s the truth, HE IS A CHRISTIAN…and you should support him because he help Christianity to last longer.

Again, I am not here to debate.
Thank you,
ISYD
 
Ok, let’s say, Hitler is not a Christian, how about Pat Robertson???

Here what he said on August 22, 2005 11:59 p.m. Eastern
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

Pat Robertson, a former GOP presidential candidate and host of the “700 Club” daily Christian TV show, yesterday called for the assassination of Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez.

“There was a popular coup that overthrew him,” Robertson said. “And what did the United States State Department do about it? Virtually nothing. And as a result, within about 48 hours that coup was broken. Chavez was back in power. But we had a chance to move in. He has destroyed the Venezuelan economy, and he’s going to make that a launching pad for Communist infiltration and Muslim extremism all over the continent.”

About the Fidel Castro ally, Robertson said: "You know, I don’t know about this doctrine of assassination. But if he thinks we’re trying to assassinate him, I think that we really ought to go ahead and do it."

“**It’s a whole lot cheaper than starting a war … and I don’t think any oil shipments will stop,” Robertson added. “But this man is a terrific danger and the United … this is in our sphere of influence, so we can’t let this happen.”
**

“We have the Monroe Doctrine, we have other doctrines that we have announced,” said Robertson. "And without question, this is a dangerous enemy to our south, controlling a huge pool of oil, that could hurt us very badly. We have the ability to take him out, and I think the time has come that we exercise that ability."

He concluded his commentary by saying: “We don’t need another $200 billion war to get rid of one, you know, strong-arm dictator. It’s a whole lot easier to have some of the covert operatives do the job and then get it over with.”

Indeed, there is evidence Chavez is not only supporting Communist movements in Latin America but also Islamist insurgencies.

As WorldNetDaily reported, a Venezuelan military defector claims President Chavez developed ties to terrorist groups such as al-Qaida – even providing it with $1 million in cash after Sept. 11, 2001

Is this the teaching of the BIBLE? As a Muslim I do not believe that…

Thank you,
ISYD
 
To All:

It’s 9:26am (Easter) and I just wake up and read your replies.
What I said about Hitler I learned from non Muslim, here is what I copied and pasted here:

Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
Code:
"****My feelings as a Christian**** points me to **my Lord and Savior as a fighter**.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as **a sufferer but as a fighter**.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  **As a Christian **I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have **the duty to be a fighter** for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For **as a Christian** I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
You can google this to check it.

Hitler wth Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

Click here to check his pictures with the Catholic Bishop:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler-rcc4.bmp&imgrefurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm&h=340&w=265&sz=91&hl=en&start=117&tbnid=q1oNHh5JUXXqeM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%22hitler%22%26start%3D108%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Well, you may copy and paste others too showing he is not a Christian, but I am convinced he was a Christian and did all the killing based on a Christian faith. Most Christians cannot handle this, but it’s the truth, HE IS A CHRISTIAN…and you should support him because he help Christianity to last longer.

Again, I am not here to debate.
Thank you,
ISYD
Someone once said to me :“If you are born in a garage, it does not make you a car”.

I don’t know Hitler’s religious background, but if he was born into a Christian family, that does not make him a Christian. He did not kill Jews to “save” Christianity. He killed Jews because he was an evil bigot who craved power and world domination.

Also, it doesn’t mean a thing to have your picture taken with somebody. I’ve had my picture taken with my muslim nephew-in-law, and that does NOT make me a muslim.
 
Hitler is said: “…My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter…” I did not say he was a Christian because he was born in a family Christian home…

Hitler admitted " My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter"

How about Pat Roberson? Is he a Christian? or not?

How about the POPE is he Christian?, pleaze read this:

POPE TO ASK FORGIVENESS FOR PAST FAULTS OF CHURCH’S CHILDREN

VATICAN CITY, MAR 7 (ZENIT.org).- On March 12, the first Sunday of Lent, John Paul II will publicly ask the Lord’s forgiveness for past and present faults of the children of the Church. …This morning, Bishop Piero Marini, Pontifical Master of Ceremonies, explained the meaning of this Day of Forgiveness in the Vatican Press Office. He explained that “in all generations the holiness of the Church has shined forth, witnessed by an incalculable number of her children; nonetheless, the Church suffers from the contradiction of the presence of sin, which has continued to weigh down in the road of the people of God. …For the first time in history, John Paul II will confess the sins committed by Christians through the centuries.” …Specifically, he will admit the sins committed in the service of truth: intolerance and violence against dissidents; religious wars; violence and abuses of the Crusades; and violent methods of the Inquisition. …The Holy Father will also express the repentance of Christians for the sins committed in relation to the people of Israel: contempt, acts of hostility, and silences.-ZE00030709…

Do you know who is the POPE?

Thank you,
ISYD
 
To All:

It’s 9:26am (Easter) and I just wake up and read your replies.
What I said about Hitler I learned from non Muslim, here is what I copied and pasted here:

Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:
Code:
"****My feelings as a Christian**** points me to **my Lord and Savior as a fighter**.  It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth!  was greatest not as **a sufferer but as a fighter**.  In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders.  How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison.  To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross.  **As a Christian **I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have **the duty to be a fighter** for truth and justice…  And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For **as a Christian** I have also a duty to my own people."  –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed.  The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
You can google this to check it.

Hitler wth Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany” and added with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.”

Click here to check his pictures with the Catholic Bishop:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC/hitler-rcc4.bmp&imgrefurl=http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm&h=340&w=265&sz=91&hl=en&start=117&tbnid=q1oNHh5JUXXqeM:&tbnh=119&tbnw=93&prev=/images%3Fq%3D%22hitler%22%26start%3D108%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Well, you may copy and paste others too showing he is not a Christian, but I am convinced he was a Christian and did all the killing based on a Christian faith. Most Christians cannot handle this, but it’s the truth, HE IS A CHRISTIAN…and you should support him because he help Christianity to last longer.

Again, I am not here to debate.
Thank you,
ISYD
Incidentally, I checked out that picture of Hitler with the Bishops. That’s an anti-Catholic website. LOL!!!
 
To All: I joined this forum to do my research, I didn’t join to post anything that is offensive. I posted my OWN point of view regarding the preaching in a Muslim land. I received all type of out of topics replies…So I started a new search “Terrorism in Christianity”…I found very interesting news…here is one of them and I have a lot more. My question is: Why don’t you talk about the violence in you religion? What doesn’t the media talk about it? All you know is what you name “War on Terror”!!!

Adolph Hitler said “As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic Church has adopted for 1500 years…when it regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos, etc., because it knew what the Jews were like…” Because of the Council of Trent, laws were set forth to establish who was a heretic and history shows us that the Vatican legally slaughtered “heretics” to cleanse the Land of Christians and Jews. As the Second Vatican Council commenced in 1963, Pope John XXIII declared, “I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent” this includes the 100 or so anathema’s against Bible Christians.

Thank you,
ISYD
 
Incidentally, I checked out that picture of Hitler with the Bishops. That’s an anti-Catholic website. LOL!!!
I did not say Catholics said that and it doesn’t matter who owns the website, it’s Hitler’s pictures, and it’s history, of course, Catholics are tying to hide it. You have two options:

1-Accepted.
2-Denied it: but you must Prove that he is not a Christian

Goodluck,
ISYD
 
I find it fascinating that, in here, one may disagree about religion with a Moslem and live. That’s because we live in a non-Moslem country, and it’s the only reason. If Arab or “Ishare” ruled, you would already all be dead, and likely your families with you. Arab has already admitted that you would die if you did what you are doing on here in a Moslem country. And he thinks it’s proper that you would die. If Ishare is, indeed, a Moslem, he thinks the very same thing. How frustrating it must be for them and their co-religionists not to be able to get their hands on you…yet. You would do well to remember this when immigration policy is being debated.
 
I did not say Catholics said that and it doesn’t matter who owns the website, it’s Hitler’s pictures, and it’s history, of course, Catholics are tying to hide it. You have two options:

1-Accepted.
2-Denied it: but you must Prove that he is not a Christian

Goodluck,
ISYD
Well, I don’t know about Pat Robertson. I am a Catholic and he is not.

Hitler, as I said, was an evil bigot who just wanted power and world domination (sound familiar to you?) He abandoned his Catholic roots and became an atheist. If he had honored and practiced the precious Catholic Faith of his youth, the Holocaust would never have happened.

The Church did much to save Jews, as did other Christian faiths. This is backed up by many Jewish sources. Pope Pius XII was truly a good man.

catholiceducation.org/articles/history/world/wh0003.html

ewtn.com/library/ISSUES/PIUS12GS.HTM

web.archive.org/web/20010919100700/http://www.weeklystandard.com/magazine/mag_6_23_01/dalin_bkart_6_23_01.asp Written by RABBI David G. Dalin

jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/piusdef2.html
Another article from the Jewish (peace be upon them) perspective.

members.aol.com/cmcginmd/PiusXII_Holocaust.htm

catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0064.html

From this website:
**“Convents and religious houses were confiscated under all kinds of pretexts. Priests and religious were spied on even in churches, and denounced to the Gestapo if they explained Christian doctrine in a way that displeased the Nazis.” **
Now tell me, why would Hitler order the persecution of convents and churches if he was such a great Christian?

Being a “Christian” means you accept Jesus Christ as your Savior and believe he is God. I am not a Christian because I was born into a Catholic Christian family - I am a Christian because I accept that Jesus Christ is the Saviour and died for my sins. Hitler was not a Christian. He was an atheist who abandoned his Christian faith. He was not a “religious fanatic”. He was anti-religion.
 
Please decide:

1 or 2

Hitler is a Christian and he was a RULER who killed based on the his faith. I lived in an ARAB country as a peaceful induvidual and I am living in the US as a peaceful Individual. And I also call my self a Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ.

Most Christian try to avoid the answers, my question was clear and here is another question:

**Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office **by murder. ****He fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia, who assassinated Pope Leo VI (928 - 929), and put her own teenage son (John XI) as Pope.

Was Pope Servius a Muslim? Yes or No?

If No: What was he?

I have more questions when you answer these.

By the way, do not change the subject, just answer the questions…If you want to change the subject open a new TOPIC and someone will reply to you.

Thank you,
ISYD
 
To All:

1-You said Pope Pius XII was a good, how about Pope Sergius III?

FYI:** 1. Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office by murder. He fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia, who assassinated Pope Leo VI (928 - 929), and put her own teenage son (John XI) as Pope.**

2-“Well, I don’t know about Pat Robertson. I am a Catholic and he is not.”: So Pat is not Catholic? is he a Christian?
If he is a Christian but not a Catholic is he SAVED?

Answer these and I will have more questions to you regarding these two topics, please do not change the TOPIC.

Thank you,
ISYD
 
Hitler is a Christian and he was a RULER who killed based on the his faith. And I also call my self a Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ.

**Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office **by murder. ****He fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia, who assassinated Pope Leo VI (928 - 929), and put her own teenage son (John XI) as Pope.

Was Pope Servius a Muslim? Yes or No?
If No: What was he?
Hitler, as we’ve told you, was not Christian. You are not Christian. You cannot be a Christian unless you believe that Jesus is God.
Pope Sergius was Catholic. Luckily, we do not base the validity of our religion on anyone but the founder (Jesus).
 
2-“Well, I don’t know about Pat Robertson. I am a Catholic and he is not.”: So Pat is not Catholic? is he a Christian?
If he is a Christian but not a Catholic is he SAVED?
Pat may or may not be Christian. You should ask him yourself. As for whether he’s saved, ask God.
 
Please decide:

1 or 2

Hitler is a Christian and he was a RULER who killed based on the his faith. I lived in an ARAB country as a peaceful induvidual and I am living in the US as a peaceful Individual. And I also call my self a Christian because I believe in Jesus Christ.

Most Christian try to avoid the answers, my question was clear and here is another question:

**Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office **by murder. ****He fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia, who assassinated Pope Leo VI (928 - 929), and put her own teenage son (John XI) as Pope.

Was Pope Servius a Muslim? Yes or No?

If No: What was he?

I have more questions when you answer these.

By the way, do not change the subject, just answer the questions…If you want to change the subject open a new TOPIC and someone will reply to you.

Thank you,
ISYD
“Hitler is a Christian and he was a RULER who killed based on the his faith.”

Wrong. Hitler was NOT a Christian. He was an atheist. He killed based on hatred and bigotry. Several million Christians died in the death camps as well as six million Jews. Why would he kill Christians if he was still one of them?

Is that a clear enough answer? Or is this too much information for you to process?

Pope Sergius: One of the worst popes in history, his reign begins the era known as the pornocracy or the rule of the harlots, the darkest period in the history of the papacy

Jesus Christ is perfect, men are not. Are you saying that Popes should be perfect? That would truly be a miracle. Why are you not citing the majority of great popes? You had to go back pretty far to find a REALLY nasty one!
Was he a muslim? I don’t know. He was from Syria. Maybe he started out as a muslim and just became a really bad Catholic! (just wondering)

I did not change the subject. You just don’t seem to want to try to understand what I’m trying to tell you.
 
To Both:

I can call myself a Christian if I want to. Many non Catholics call them selves Christian, so are they wrong? Some Christian do not believe that Jesus is God, but they are called Christian…so what is wrong with me using a Christina name. I am not ashame of it but I am proud of it.

So, the pope did not represent Christians neither the Catholics, right? why did he murdered? He read the BIBLE (the 66 books or the EXTRA/MISSING 7 books)…so what did the BIBLE teach him???

Regarding Hitler: Again, I showed he his OWN WORDS "“My feelings as **a Christian **points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter…” this is a plain English, not translation involved.

MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN…

Regarding Pat: He claimed to be a Christian and very well known…are saying you do not know if he is a christian or not? Is he a Budist, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, what is his religion? Please feel free to answer and say your HONEST opinion about him…then more answers will follow…
 
MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN…

Regarding Pat: He claimed to be a Christian and very well known…are saying you do not know if he is a christian or not? Is he a Budist, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, what is his religion? Please feel free to answer and say your HONEST opinion about him…then more answers will follow…
“MY FEELING AS A CHRISTIAN”…

Hitler was a liar and the spawn of satan. And you believe him!!! LOLOL!!! I certainly don’t!! To be serious, though, Hitler was no Christian. SAYING you are a Christian is not the same as BEING a Christian. I can SAY I’m an eskimo, but that doesn’t make me an eskimo!

Did you know that there are many Christian religions? Are you using Pat Robertson as a representative of all Christian religions? He says he is a Christian so I guess I’ll believe him. Whether he is or not is known only to God. I am a Catholic. I don’t know what Christian denomination Pat Robertson belongs to. There are many Christian denominations. We all believe that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Saviour and that you can only get to heaven through Him. HOW we worship Him is what differentiates us.
 
Now, I am getting curious and in the same time confused…

From my understanding: Catholic is not a Christian! right
and Christian is not a Catholic! right…do you mean that to be SAVED you have to Catholic Christian???

What is the difference between the Catholic and the 22,000 denominations? Just concentrate on the main large denomination when you reply (Protestant, Orthodox, Baptist and Jahova’s Witnesses)…

Your information is appreciated,
ISYD
 
To All:

1-You said Pope Pius XII was a good, how about Pope Sergius III?

FYI:** 1. Pope Sergius III (904 - 911) obtained his office by murder. He fathered several illegitimate children by Marozia, who assassinated Pope Leo VI (928 - 929), and put her own teenage son (John XI) as Pope.**

2-“Well, I don’t know about Pat Robertson. I am a Catholic and he is not.”: So Pat is not Catholic? is he a Christian?
If he is a Christian but not a Catholic is he SAVED?

Answer these and I will have more questions to you regarding these two topics, please do not change the TOPIC.

Thank you,
ISYD
I would suggest that each of your questions might be a thread… that way each answer for your “muslim” accusations can be answered on its own merit.

Your attempt to bombard with many old questions has been tried here before (did not work then either)… and in the confusion you seem to enjoy… you will soon be left alone.
 
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