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MrS
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Or ask your false prophet Muhammed… he of peace and tranquility… he of truth and charity… not.
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MrS
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Yes, you can proclaim to be a Christian… if you want to.
However, with the views you have professed here… and your choice to be called a Christian… you must then also be a heretic.
I, on the other and, would be highly insulted and ashamed to be called, or what to be called a Muslim. I respect and love the sinner… but I hate the sin. I believe God would say the same…
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Dear Mr S,
Welcome here…
Here is what Billy Graham said: "NEWS BRIEF: “Graham Believes Men Can Be Saved Apart From Name Of Christ”, by Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D., television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller, on May 31, 1997. The following segment is an exact transcript of an excerpt close to the end of the broadcast. Reported by The Christian News, October 20, 1997, page 15.
"SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer – you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ … I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven."
"SCHULLER: What, what I hear you saying, that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?
GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."
"SCHULLER: [R.S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I’m so thrilled to hear you say this. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.
GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is."
I learned that Billy Graham was a Catholic! what do you think about his saying? I believe it. God is so lovely and will SAVE all of us…
ISYD
Welcome here…
Here is what Billy Graham said: "NEWS BRIEF: “Graham Believes Men Can Be Saved Apart From Name Of Christ”, by Robert E. Kofahl, Ph.D., television interview of Billy Graham by Robert Schuller, on May 31, 1997. The following segment is an exact transcript of an excerpt close to the end of the broadcast. Reported by The Christian News, October 20, 1997, page 15.
"SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?
GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer – you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ … I think James answered that, the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ, because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven."
"SCHULLER: What, what I hear you saying, that it’s possible for Jesus Christ to come into human hearts and soul and life, even if they’ve been born in darkness and have never had exposure to the Bible. Is that a correct interpretation of what you’re saying?
GRAHAM: Yes, it is, because I believe that. I’ve met people in various parts of the world in tribal situations, that they have never seen a Bible or heard about a Bible, and never heard of Jesus, but they’ve believed in their hearts that there was a God, and they’ve tried to live a life that was quite apart from the surrounding community in which they lived."
"SCHULLER: [R.S. trips over his tongue for a moment, his face beaming, then says] I’m so thrilled to hear you say this. There’s a wideness in God’s mercy.
GRAHAM: There is. There definitely is."
I learned that Billy Graham was a Catholic! what do you think about his saying? I believe it. God is so lovely and will SAVE all of us…
ISYD
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MrS
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By the way…
since you have declared that you have no religion
and since religion in these conversations means a "relationship’ with God… and you say you have none…
thus you have claimed to have no relationship with God
you must be dismissed on all coversations that are about God and any religion.
you have no creedance.
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since you have declared that you have no religion
and since religion in these conversations means a "relationship’ with God… and you say you have none…
thus you have claimed to have no relationship with God
you must be dismissed on all coversations that are about God and any religion.
you have no creedance.
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MrS
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you learned wrong… nothing suprising here.
Dr. Graham was never Catholic, is not Catholic, and has never claimed to be Catholic
He is probably sincere… but he is often sincerely wrong.
So far, you should not play baseball… what is the opposite of batting 1000?
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IshareYoudecide
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You said: "I, on the other and, would be highly insulted and ashamed to be called, or what to be called a Muslim.
Islam is the complete submission and obedience to one God (Allah), you cannot be a Muslim because you believe in three Gods (Trinity). I can be a christian by believing in Jesus Christ as a Prophet.
You said: “I respect and love the sinner… but I hate the sin. I believe God would say the same…:”
1-Where did you learn to love the sinner from?
2-If you respect/love the sinner, you must respect the PROSTITUTE, ALCOHOLICS, GAYS, LESBIAN, TERRORIST, CRIMINALS…then you must encourage them?
3-You said: “I believe God would say the same” show me where God say that in the BIBLE?
Thank you,
ISYD
Islam is the complete submission and obedience to one God (Allah), you cannot be a Muslim because you believe in three Gods (Trinity). I can be a christian by believing in Jesus Christ as a Prophet.
You said: “I respect and love the sinner… but I hate the sin. I believe God would say the same…:”
1-Where did you learn to love the sinner from?
2-If you respect/love the sinner, you must respect the PROSTITUTE, ALCOHOLICS, GAYS, LESBIAN, TERRORIST, CRIMINALS…then you must encourage them?
3-You said: “I believe God would say the same” show me where God say that in the BIBLE?
Thank you,
ISYD
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sneakers
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Good grief! You are asking a lot! I’d have to go over 2000 years of Church history to answer your question. Yes, Catholics are Christian. So are Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodists, Church of Christ, Wesleyen, Orthodox, and many many others. We all believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and IS God. They are divided into Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant.
There was only one Church until around the year 1500. Then, a man named Martin Luther protested against some things that the priests were doing wrong. That began the Protestant Reformation. The early Catholic church was initially based on the teachings of Christ as passed on by the early Church fathers (apostolic tradition). Later, when the bible was compiled, the Church was (and is) based on both apolostolic tradition AND the bible. The Protestant churches (Presbyterian, Methodist, etc), are only based on the bible. We Catholics believe that the Catholic Church goes back to Christ Himself, and that He wanted one Church to be lead by one leader (we call him the Pope). A new pope is elected upon the death of the preceding pope. That is called Apostolic succession. The first Pope was Peter. Sometimes the Pope turned out to be a not-so-nice guy, but most of them have been very good popes. The Protestant denominations do not believe in apostolic succession. Catholics have one interpretation of the Bible. Each Protestant denomination has a slightly different interpretation. What denomination of Protestant church you belong to depends upon what interpretation you accept. (my apologies to Protestants if I’m wrong)
There are other big differences between the Catholic Christian and Protestant Christian Churches. I won’t go into them here.
This is a very simple explanation. I’m sure others on this forum can explain it better. I’m just a humble Catholic Christian.
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sneakers
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ISDY, where in heaven’s name are you getting all of your information from? Billy Graham is a Protestant. I don’t know what denomination he belongs to, and he is a good man, but he is not a Catholic!
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IshareYoudecide
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I visited this website:jesus-is-lord.com/billy.htm
He converted to a Catholic.
So, he is a good man, but not a Catholic??? what is so special about Catholic?
I have an idea about the different denominations, I an waiting for the Protestant…but some Christina do not believe that Jesus is God? are they OK, good guys?
Are the other denominations SAVED (I know God’s business) but what does the Catholic BIBLE say about them?
Thank you,
ISYD
He converted to a Catholic.
So, he is a good man, but not a Catholic??? what is so special about Catholic?
I have an idea about the different denominations, I an waiting for the Protestant…but some Christina do not believe that Jesus is God? are they OK, good guys?
Are the other denominations SAVED (I know God’s business) but what does the Catholic BIBLE say about them?
Thank you,
ISYD
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MrS
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Just as I should love you the sinner… and hate the sin of Islam which is against God, and which has the false prophet Muhammed as its leader.
1-Where did you learn to love the sinner from?
The example of Jesus Christ… God… the True Prophet who is Truth itself.
2-If you respect/love the sinner, you must respect the PROSTITUTE, ALCOHOLICS, GAYS, LESBIAN, TERRORIST, CRIMINALS…then you must encourage them?
I respect them insofar as they have an eternal soul, as do you, and it is made in the image and likeness of God.
That is hardly encouraging them or you in sin.
3-You said: “I believe God would say the same” show me where God say that in the BIBLE?
You have admitted to living with to no relationship with God… you could not therefore accept anything one would show you from the Word of God.
Thank you,
ISYD
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I have questions about the string of beads I’ve seen Muslims holding and seem to be praying on.
What exactly are they; what are they used for?
Are they similar to a Catholic Rosary?
Do they pre-date or post-date the Rosary?
Just wanting to learn. Thanks.
What exactly are they; what are they used for?
Are they similar to a Catholic Rosary?
Do they pre-date or post-date the Rosary?
Just wanting to learn. Thanks.
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Are you Sola Qurano (you believe in the Quran alone, no hadiths)? If so you’re a heretic in most Muslim’s eyes, because most Muslims believe that you need the hadith (traditions of Muhammad) to properly interpret the Quran.
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Semper_Fi_1
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You’re persecuting me if I can’t spread the Gospel of the New Testament in your country. Shouldn’t grown men be able to decide for themselves their religion? What is Islam afraid of?
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sneakers
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ISDY. Rule #1: Don’t believe everything you read on the internet! LOL!! The site you linked to is both ANTI Catholic and , apparently, they don’t like Billy Graham much either!
Read it again, slowly. The person who wrote the website said that “Billy Graham praises the pope, a man who allows himself to be called God”.
First of all, the Pope does not allow himself to be called God. He is a servant of God, and God’s representative here on earth.
Next, it said he received an honorary degree from a Catholic College. That means that the College was honoring him. It does not mean he is Catholic.
Finally, (I didn’t read any further than this), it said:
“Billy Graham turns Catholic converts back to Catholic religion.” The person who wrote this is accusing Mr.Graham of helping win fallen-away Catholics come back to their Catholic faith. But it doesn’t say HE became Catholic. It is confusing the way they wrote it.
I believe the Catholic religion IS special, but it’s too long to explain in this thread. LOL! The protestants don’t believe we’re very special! LOL!
Finally, ALL Christians believe Jesus is God. If you don’t believe that, then you are not a Christian. Jews don’t believe Jesus is God, nor do Muslims, right? So that means neither group is Christian. Jehovah Witnesses are not Christian either, since they do not believe Jesus is God. (I think) That’s why “Christians” are called “Christians”; because they follow Christ and believe him to be God.
Hope this helps.
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IshareYoudecide,
Can you answer my question I made earlier in this thread?
As an example I mentioned Abdul Rahman:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4831426.stm
In this thread the poster named “arab” said it is right and good to kill Mr Rahman…yet you appear to say he should live…am I hearing you correctly?
If you believe he should live then who should I trust, you or Arab? You both cant be right.
Can you answer my question I made earlier in this thread?
As an example I mentioned Abdul Rahman:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4831426.stm
In this thread the poster named “arab” said it is right and good to kill Mr Rahman…yet you appear to say he should live…am I hearing you correctly?
If you believe he should live then who should I trust, you or Arab? You both cant be right.
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Adolf Hitler was by no means a Christian and was an apostate Catholic. If he was truly a Catholic we would be claiming him as a martyr, like your religious leaders claim suicide bombers and terrorists (we don’t claim him as a Catholic because he apostasized from the religion at a very young age, and he was in fact of Jewish AND Catholic ancestry, his real name being Schickelgruber which is a Jewish name).
Adolf Hitler believed in the state first. He believed Christianity was a Semetic religion which had no place in Aryan culture.
He went so far as to start the Protestant Reich Church and called Martin Luther a “great German” (who influenced Hitler because of his hatred of Jewry).
The Protestant Reich Church was a federation of the formerly independent Protestant churches in Nazi empire. It replaced the Scriptures with Hitler’s book Mein Kampf.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_Reich_Church
HITLER WAS NO CATHOLIC!
There was a clergyman who Hitler indeed did admire however… and this was the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem (Mohammad Amin al-Husayni) who organized Muslim fighters for the SS.
http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/jerusalem/mufti.gif
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exoflare
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This is how Muslims usually proselytize… by trying to sling mud at other religions. Did you notice how he first said he doesn’t judge Christianity based on Hitler, and then shortly afterward he starts to do just that? 
Never trust a Muslim.
Never trust a Muslim.
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pro_universal
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Ishareyoudecide,
I see the point you are making, and it’s a good one.
Here’s a whole thread where people are attacking Islam and forcing Muslims to answer for crimes committed by other Muslims…and Ishareyoudecide is pointing out that by this logic, Christians should have to answer for the crimes of Christians too.
Of course you all don’t want to, but you shouldn’t demand that of other religions if you won’t hold yourselves to the same standard.
I see the point you are making, and it’s a good one.
Here’s a whole thread where people are attacking Islam and forcing Muslims to answer for crimes committed by other Muslims…and Ishareyoudecide is pointing out that by this logic, Christians should have to answer for the crimes of Christians too.
Of course you all don’t want to, but you shouldn’t demand that of other religions if you won’t hold yourselves to the same standard.
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