Ask a Pagan (Again!)

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What I mean by “universal truth” is the idea that there is “one true way”, “one size fits all”, one religion that best fits everyone. That’s not true for modern Pagans–or even polytheists in general–when it comes to belief. There’s no one Truth, there are many truths, in the plural.

Besides, I’ve never been one for philosophy, Classical or otherwise, it just strikes me as a whole bunch of men (and it is usually men) talking about nothing terribly important or practical, YMMV. 🙂
Sure - there are many truths but then there is a central truth to all, in belief, principles and standards. There are laws that stem from one rule - example, Matt 22:36:40 ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Who is my neighbor? - There is one rule but many laws that stem from it.
 
and in another instance, the best defense is: (which is considered a standard)
  • Ground and centre;
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    Set up a protective barrier;
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    Reinforce that barrier every day;
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    As you increase your internal strength, increase the range and density of that protective barrier;
How to ground and centre depends upon your belief system. (Centre: (v. t.) To collect to a point; to concentrate.(v. i.) To be placed in a center; to be central. (v. i.) To be collected to a point; to be concentrated; to rest on, or gather about, as a center. (n. & v.) See Center.(v. t.) To form a recess or indentation for the reception of a center. (v. t.) To place or fix in the center or on a central point.() Alt. of seal() Alt. of punch)

How to ground and centre depends upon your belief system. (hmmm…our belief system doesn’t encourage this!)

A circle, when discussing a centre it means that you are centered within the circle. There is more to this - however, in a general way the person who advised this doesn’t know that this method is used not only within your own religion but others. So this would have been ill advised to use it, because the recommendation given to another person had no knowledge of the reasonings and wouldn’t know the standards to this method and another thing, you would have had some previous experience with using this standard to understand it.

Example of this: A time, and place of the occurrence: the hour is three o’clock within the circle is a man kingly dressed - with the crown and dressings, he glides toward the right of the circle in a counter clockwise direction - as if he’s overseeing, moving like a clock. Outside of the circle a person stands looking on as the room now begins to move in the same counter clock direction. The man within the circle then stops - as he senses something in the room and then discontinues the movement to look for what he knows is watching him. However, when he glides toward the suspected area - he does not leave the inter-circle, but he does this with anger. Why anger? because he know something shouldn’t be in the room with him at the time - like that feeling you get when something isn’t right. Many religions use this circular method - However, the Circle in Wiccan and Pagan worship? will begin at the north and call upon the deities of the tradition from each direction however, and like I said best contact a priest on this issue before giving out or taking the advice because the church forbids (forbids) that you follow any Wiccan or Pagan standard practices in order to tame occult powers:

Divination and magic

2115 God can reveal the future to his prophets or to other saints. Still, a sound Christian attitude consists in putting oneself confidently into the hands of Providence for whatever concerns the future, and giving up all unhealthy curiosity about it. Improvidence, however, can constitute a lack of responsibility.

2116 All forms of divination are to be rejected: recourse to Satan or demons, conjuring up the dead or other practices falsely supposed to “unveil” the future.48 Consulting horoscopes, astrology, palm reading, interpretation of omens and lots, the phenomena of clairvoyance, and recourse to mediums all conceal a desire for power over time, history, and, in the last analysis, other human beings, as well as a wish to conciliate hidden powers. They contradict the honor, respect, and loving fear that we owe to God alone.

2117*** All practices of magic or sorcery, by which one attempts to tame occult powers, so as to place them at one’s service and have a supernatural power over others - even if this were for the sake of restoring their health - are gravely contrary to the virtue of religion.*** These practices are even more to be condemned when accompanied by the intention of harming someone, or when they have recourse to the intervention of demons. Wearing charms is also reprehensible. Spiritism often implies divination or magical practices; the Church for her part warns the faithful against it. Recourse to so-called traditional cures does not justify either the invocation of evil powers or the exploitation of another’s credulity.

Read more: rcspiritualdirection.com/blog/tags/devil#ixzz1dC4S0968

Get the picture - on truths, some standards may stem from a rule or main principle, but they can branch off.
 
sorry forgot to put a reference to the last post:

PART THREE
LIFE IN CHRIST

SECTION TWO
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

CHAPTER ONE
“YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND”

ARTICLE 1
THE FIRST COMMANDMENT
vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s2c1a1.htm

see: reference 2115, 2116 and 2117
 
Lokabrenna,

I hope this question hasn’t already been asked somewhere, but how would you, from your perspective, differentiate a pagan religion from a non-pagan religion?
 
Lokabrenna,

I hope this question hasn’t already been asked somewhere, but how would you, from your perspective, differentiate a pagan religion from a non-pagan religion?
Basically a religion that isn’t Jewish, Christian, or Muslim and self-identifies as Pagan (or Neopagan). It’s a little overly-simplistic, because some reconstructionist religions (especially Heathenry) don’t like to use the term, but it’s a good working definition.

Some people include indigenous and syncretic traditions (Vodou, Santeria, etc.) as “Pagan religions” but adherents don’t usually refer to themselves as capital ‘p’ Pagan, which is why the ‘self-identification’ part in.

In a nutshell, here are some traditions that would fall under my definition:

Wicca
Druidry
Hellenismos
Religio Romana
Celtic reconstructionism (abbreviated as CR, often broken up by culture ie. Welsh reconstructionism)
Kemeticism
Heathenry (including Asatru, Anglo-Saxon religion, etc)
Canaanite reconstructionism

This is definitely not an exhaustive list, there are a bunch that I haven’t listed, and there are ‘eclectic’ Pagans who don’t belong to a single tradition. There are even Pagans who try to reconstruct Proto Indo-European (PIE) religion.
 
Get with the program! We haven’t been doing those in a long time! Have you been reading Chick Tracts again, they’re bad for your brain, you know? 😛
Funny. I remember finding Chick Tracts when I was 9 years old in south San Antonio. I was neither a practicing Catholic or Protestant. Side story to that because you struck a chord … memory with that statement. I specifically remember arguing with my little brother, 16 months mu junior. He argued we were Protestant and I argued we were Catholic. We had no idea what we were talking about because neither of us knew the difference.

Sorry about propagating the off the wall statement. I merely meant to add to the humor with popcorn as if watching a movie. Many non-Catholics love to add trash to truth, twisting and turning. No specific offense intended.
 
Why didn’t you mention Astrology in your list of pagan religions?
I’ve heard that Astrology is official religion (of the US and this probably applies to other countries as well), because the Horoscope is printed in every paper, in every city or town, every day; while hardly anything is printed about religion (Christianity etc) unless it involves a scandal - do you agree?
 
Funny. I remember finding Chick Tracts when I was 9 years old in south San Antonio. I was neither a practicing Catholic or Protestant. Side story to that because you struck a chord … memory with that statement. I specifically remember arguing with my little brother, 16 months mu junior. He argued we were Protestant and I argued we were Catholic. We had no idea what we were talking about because neither of us knew the difference.

Sorry about propagating the off the wall statement. I merely meant to add to the humor with popcorn as if watching a movie. Many non-Catholics love to add trash to truth, twisting and turning. No specific offense intended.
No, I knew it was a joke, hence the 😛 face, LOL. I suspect few outside of readers of his tracts actually believe that Pagans practice human sacrifice.
 
Why didn’t you mention Astrology in your list of pagan religions?
Astrology is a practice, not a religion. Anyone can practice it (different cultures even had their own systems). In modern India, some families still use astrology to determine dates for marriages and compatibility between couples. These families are religiously Hindu, the practice is astrology.

There is a faith section in my local paper, but it only comes in on Saturdays as there usually isn’t a lot of religion news to report. As for scandals and such, I think as long as religious folks engage in questionable behaviour, someone will be around to report it (and exaggerate when it comes to how much involvement religious views had in the story). Horoscopes are no more a religion than crossword puzzles, weather forecasts, or comic strips, all of which can be found regularly in newspapers all over the world.
 
ya, well - there are some standards that don’t exactly work when things get a little to ruff around the edges. The only way I can describe it, is that when a thief wants to break into the house, he will. Same thing applies - when someone wants to draw their attention to you personally, the method that she suggest won’t work…there will be always another way around the bend - dreams. I noticed that some culture have different hangings for protection, the hamsa (Jewish and Muslims) and for blessings that could range (also) from and according to the halakha, a mezuzah as one of the most visible and powerful symbols of Judaism, mezuzah serves as a reminder of the basic tenets of the Jewish faith as does the crucifix is to the Christian religion as a reminder - as well as the rosary beads. We remember that during those times, concentration is a big issue and what you’re concentrating on, that’s why everyone says to relax and focus, and pray.

Do you know anything about the Soham (Sanskrit) - I have problems swallowing food, so when I relax and concentrate its a breeze. When used for meditation, “Soham” acts as a natural mantra to control one’s breathing pattern, to help achieve deep breath, and to gain concentration. When my throat closes - I have to breath through the nose and think about that area - to swallow.

Another thing that I do, and when an occurrence starts, is that I read (as now) literature about a specific area of the bible - and I centralize on that part of the gospel because it takes my mind off of it - and I start to enjoy what I read. Any thing that a person will bring a different attitude - cooking and thinking of a Psalm, another suggestion is getting on the computer and writing. Anything that changes the attitude or the feeling of being scared.
I try! Sometimes I mean to type out a few words and end up with three paragraphs! It’s nice to know someone finds my posts informative!
Hello - lol…:yeah_me:, and you’re speaking to whom about this problem?
 
Astrology is a practice, not a religion. Anyone can practice it (different cultures even had their own systems). In modern India, some families still use astrology to determine dates for marriages and compatibility between couples. These families are religiously Hindu, the practice is astrology.

There is a faith section in my local paper, but it only comes in on Saturdays as there usually isn’t a lot of religion news to report. As for scandals and such, I think as long as religious folks engage in questionable behaviour, someone will be around to report it (and exaggerate when it comes to how much involvement religious views had in the story). Horoscopes are no more a religion than crossword puzzles, weather forecasts, or comic strips, all of which can be found regularly in newspapers all over the world.
Right - I agree. Remember this point, when the astronomer tried to find out about the location of the Christ child. They knew that his “star” rose but couldn’t find the location, "“Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”

Another thing, with Abraham - in Genesis, it was said that he was a stargazer who thought that a son would never born to him. However, it God to convince him to look beyond the stars, "He took him outside and said, “Look up at the sky and count the stars—if indeed you can count them.” Then he said to him, “So shall your offspring be.”
Remember, in Genesis 17 " Abraham fell facedown; he laughed and said to himself, “Will a son be born to a man a hundred years old? Will Sarah bear a child at the age of ninety?” It wasn’t that doubted God, it was his own ability to understand it - it one thing to know and another to absorb it, take it in. Like Mary, who was obedient to the God’s call, however, it was written that Mary, when Christ was born, pondered these thing in her heart.

Also, at the time of the Exodus,when the Israelites were awaiting the redemption and the deliverer - does the bible or the Torah predict that the prophet (specifically) Moses would come (or more specifically a prophet or a deliverer to come) after 400 years of enslavement and release the Israelites from the Egyptians. Even the date was in question, read Galatians 3:17, Paul tells us that from the establishment of God’s covenant with Abraham until the giving of the Law on Mount Sinai, 430 years elapsed. That being 210 years after Jacob settled in Egypt and 430 years to the very day that Jacob (Israel) and his family came into Egypt? or from the time Joseph died? There’s a verse in scripture that says who know the mind of God - "In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 1 Corinthians 2:11 and “Who has understood the mind of the LORD, or instructed him as his counselor?” - No astrologer that I know of or read…it was always the prophets who had been informed, but never a specific date or if there was information, it was not made very clear for a reason. Again, like our Lord - it was always told to the people God chose and for those who were given the blessing to see the birth, like the Magi…

There a new movie coming out “Young Abraham” - read the information on it:
King Nimrod’s chief stargazer. He witnesses one star consuming four surrounding stars, after which an ethereal light emanating from the remaining star bathes one house in the city of Ur Kasdim, the seat of Nimrod’s kingdom. Inside this home, a baby has been born to Nimrod’s general Terakh and his wife, Amaslei. Spurred by his stargazer’s warnings of impending rebellion by this infant, Nimrod orders young Abraham put to death.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Abraham
 
Don’t know if I should start a separate thread, but, as the title is “Ask a Pagan” it would seem that this is the place to ask:

Is there any belief that you have that you have had to conform yourself to? That is, you wouldn’t believe it except that <fill in the blank with Higher Power/Mother Earth/The Goddess/Deity/Universe/Cosmos> has somehow revealed this to you?

If so, what are they?

If not, why not? How is it that the Universe (or fill in the blank with your chosen nomenclature) agrees with YOU on every principle/truth/doctrine?
 
Don’t know if I should start a separate thread, but, as the title is “Ask a Pagan” it would seem that this is the place to ask:

Is there any belief that you have that you have had to conform yourself to? That is, you wouldn’t believe it except that <fill in the blank with Higher Power/Mother Earth/The Goddess/Deity/Universe/Cosmos> has somehow revealed this to you?

If so, what are they?

If not, why not? How is it that the Universe (or fill in the blank with your chosen nomenclature) agrees with YOU on every principle/truth/doctrine?
In the interest of fair play I will give a few of mine:

-Divorce and re-marriage: I would LOVE it if I could celebrate with my friends their marriage to their new honeys. However, sadly, I cannot edit the message of The Creator to suit my liking, so I must change my views to be in conformity to that which has been revealed.

-Artificial birth control: I would love to be able to take a pill and not have to ever think about getting pregnant. But, sadly, see above rationale.
 
Astrology is a practice, not a religion. Anyone can practice it (different cultures even had their own systems). In modern India, some families still use astrology to determine dates for marriages and compatibility between couples. These families are religiously Hindu, the practice is astrology.

There is a faith section in my local paper, but it only comes in on Saturdays as there usually isn’t a lot of religion news to report. As for scandals and such, I think as long as religious folks engage in questionable behaviour, someone will be around to report it (and exaggerate when it comes to how much involvement religious views had in the story). Horoscopes are no more a religion than crossword puzzles, weather forecasts, or comic strips, all of which can be found regularly in newspapers all over the world.
You’re right, astrology isn’t a religion. But some people place a reliance on the planets and stars in order to make and predict meaning for thier lives, so that it almost becomes like a religion. It’s interesting that there is the reliance on created things, such as planets and stars, which have no love for human beings. Seriously, those planets and stars could care less about humans, they are just planets and stars, after all, and yet humans look to them to make the meaning of their lives (those who take astrology seriously, as I once did long ago when I was a new-ager). It does not seem to occur to them that He who created those planets and stars, and us humans too, does love and care about us. Why not place faith and reliance on that which created us and loves us? I guess it’s just not an easy thing to do. 🤷
 
Yes, I know about it. Who taught you that?
Hi Ahimsa,

I had to learn it because of the problems that I was having with my throat - like I said, when I concentrate and breath then its a breeze to swallow. If I don’t, then…well, it makes life a little difficult for me. There are method that are helpful to everyone and will help guide others through a problem. Relaxing, centering and concentrating are all apart of what we capable of doing but its not a simple task as it sounds, its a lot of work but I’m able to use it for what I need. Who taught me?..that was a long time ago, and I can’t remember.

Reflecting on this part: “During transitions between breaths,** the breath slows for a moment**, and becomes inaudible in the recording.** The transition between breaths is smooth**, and you again hear the next sound of either** exhalation or inhalation**. However, there is no pause wherein breath is held. Eliminating the pause is an important part of healthy breathing and doing the Soham practice.” swamij.com/soham-breath.htm
While the word ‘japa’ is Sanskrit, and the practice described here associated with Hinduism, the same basic practice and result is also found in other faith traditions. Examples include the Jesus Prayer practice of Orthodox Christianity,[3][4][5] Zikr or Dhikr (with alternate spellings depending on transliteration method) in Islamic contexts, particularly Sufi (6, 7), and several traditions within Catholic Christianity (8, 9)…
 
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