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I’ve often wondered about the authenticity of these as well. A friend of mine said he went and did faint (he called it slain in the spirit) and said it was very refreshing. My mom said she saw what looked like people speaking in tongues when she went for confession one night and asked the priest who heard her confession what they were doing. He said, he didn’t have a clue!

IMHO if the Holy Spirit is doing something, you can’t resist it anyway.
I was curious about this too. My little sister attended a stubenville retreat and she was slain.
I believe her, that this truly did happen to her but I dont understand it completly. She also said some people were getting the gift of tounges and laughter. All this happened during adoration.
She didn’t ever expect this to happen to her the way it did. But I am not really sure of what to think or make of it. I have tried searching and have came across more protestants talking about this more than catholics.
Is the Charasmatic Catholic Renewal something valid? Some catholics are for this type of worship and some are against it.

Sorry for my ignorance but I really dont know and would like to.
 
I was curious about this too. My little sister attended a stubenville retreat and she was slain.
I believe her, that this truly did happen to her but I dont understand it completly. She also said some people were getting the gift of tounges and laughter. All this happened during adoration.
She didn’t ever expect this to happen to her the way it did. But I am not really sure of what to think or make of it. I have tried searching and have came across more protestants talking about this more than catholics.
Is the Charasmatic Catholic Renewal something valid? Some catholics are for this type of worship and some are against it.

Sorry for my ignorance but I really dont know and would like to.
Now Laughter puzzles me. I’ve never heard of that being a gift/charism of the Holy Spirit. I don’t see its purpose at all.
 
I know I agree with you, but she said it happened to a few people.
 
Touchy! 😃 That’s the fastest excommunication I’ve had yet (I’ve had many).

OK, here’s my second experiment with google: 😃 😃 😃 😃 😃

I didn’t make any of this up ! 🤷
Excommunication?:confused:
And, no, not “touchy”, just sick of the evil one lying to people about the gifts of the Holy Spirit. No good can come from rejecting Gods’ charisms, which is what millions of “catholics” (catholics put in quotations deliberatly because any true catholic would never reject God or they could not be called “catholic”), do everyday, not just through habitual sin or weakness but through sheer stubborness and/or ignorance.

The charisms of the Holy Spirit are gists given to bulid up the body, the Church, but if so many “catholics” are so willing to reject them, then the Body of Christ is lacking in this area of growth. I’m sure that is not what anyone who truly loves God intends, but it is what the Church has been experiencing since the 9th century untill 1967 when the Second Vatican council proclaimed a new Pentacost on the entire world. It’s sad that many “catholics” are driven by their lack of spiritual maturity to understand & come to the knowledge of the truth

**For the Christian vocation by its very nature is also a vocation to the apostolate. No part of the structure of a living body is merely passive but has a share in the functions as well as life of the body: so, too, in the body of Christ, which is the Church, “the whole body . . . in keeping with the proper activity of each part, derives its increase from its own internal development” (Eph. 4:16).

Indeed, the organic union in this body and the structure of the members are so compact that ]the member who fails to make his proper contribution to the development of the Church must be said to be useful neither to the Church nor to himself.

DECREE ON THE APOSTOLATE OF THE LAITY
APOSTOLICAM ACTUOSITATEM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS,
POPE PAUL VI ON NOVEMBER 18, 1965

The 1988 Revised Edition of the Vatican II documents read as follows" Between the members of this body there exsists, further, such a unity and solidarity (cf. Eph. 4:16) that a member who does not work at the growth of the body to the extent of his possibilities must be considered useless both to the Church and to himself"

Useless to the Church. Useless to himself. Useless to herself.
How many “catholics” do I know that say “oh, that charismatic stuff isn’t for me”, when the Church Herself has said that all catholics need to work to the full extent of his/her possibilities to build up the entire body? Too many to count, and that’s just sad. Sad & disgusting.

Catholicism isn’t a "take what you want, leave what you don’t " church, nor is it a “comfort zone” church. But, thanks be to God, that He is patient, it’s only been almost 2000 years & His people are still not getting it. WAKE UP CHURCH!

JPII2, stop using google to find lies & open up your Bible & Second Vatican Council documents & learn the truth.**
 
I’ve often wondered about the authenticity of these as well. A friend of mine said he went and did faint (he called it slain in the spirit) and said it was very refreshing. My mom said she saw what looked like people speaking in tongues when she went for confession one night and asked** the priest who heard her confession what they were doing. He said, he didn’t have a clue! **

IMHO if the Holy Spirit is doing something, you can’t resist it anyway.
This is the biggest problem in not just the “charisamtic renewal” but in the entire Church, priest are not getting involved. The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council put the respossibility on the judgement of the authentisity of the charisms on the pastors.

*From the acceptance of these charisms, including those which are more elementary, there arise for each believer the right and duty to use them in the Church and in the world for the good of men and the building up of the Church, in the freedom of the Holy Spirit who “breathes where He wills” (John 3:8). This should be done by the laity in communion with their brothers in Christ, especially with their pastors who must make a judgment about the true nature and proper use of these gifts not to extinguish the Spirit but to test all things *and hold for what is good (cf. 1 Thess. 5:12,19,21).(4)
**

DECREE ON THE APOSTOLATE OF THE LAITY
APOSTOLICAM ACTUOSITATEM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS,
POPE PAUL VI ON NOVEMBER 18, 1965

So many people ready to blame lay persons for the misuse of the charisms, or the so called “theatrics”, but had the pastors stepped in & done their jobs a the Vatican II Fathers had asked them too, then we wouldn’t be having so many people rejecting the gifts of God. We also would be spared those whose gifts are not truly given by God.

We have a prayer spanish group in our parsih where all the members speak in “tongues”, but it’s not authentic for all of them. Many of them have admitted that they a mimicing the leader, which is not what the gift of tongues is.

Priests need & must get involved. My parents & I attend Holy Mass daily, & today we were blessed by the pastor of a nearby parish who allowed us to pray for him in spirit after mass. After about a few minutes of prayer in tongues, he rested in the Spirit (fell back/surrendered to God). He lay there for about 3-4 minutes as we sang thanks to Jesus for such a wonderful priest. He got up as we were singing & told us that he experienced a deep sense of peacefulness. If only all priests would be so wiling to surrender ot God’s Spirit.

As for your opinion on people resisting the Holy Spirit…“catholics” have been doing this for tha last 1200 years, as he first 8 centuries of the Church the Holy Spirits’ gifts were used in the Church regularly. St Augustine was the one who said the the charisms of the Spirit had bwindeled in use in his time & were giving way to canon law, yet he was present at a celebration of the Holy Mass were he witnessed 27 people instantly healed of severe illnesses.

To many “catholics” fighting the Holy Spirit (who does not force Himself on anyone), & not giving their all to God. Step out of you comfort zones people of God. The Kingdom of God is NOW!
 
I was curious about this too. My little sister attended a stubenville retreat and she was slain.
I believe her, that this truly did happen to her but I dont understand it completly. She also said some people were getting the gift of tounges and laughter. All this happened during adoration.
She didn’t ever expect this to happen to her the way it did. But I am not really sure of what to think or make of it. I have tried searching and have came across more protestants talking about this more than catholics.
Is the Charasmatic Catholic Renewal something valid? Some catholics are for this type of worship and some are against it.

Sorry for my ignorance but I really dont know and would like to.
claretiantapeministry.org/

Read some of the books or order CD’s from Fr. John Hampsch. He along with Fr. Robert DeGrandis have taught me over tha past 25 years on the use of Gods’ gifts.

Also, read the Decree on the Apostolate of Lay People in the documents of the Second Vatican Council. Know your job catholics.🙂
 
This is the biggest problem in not just the “charisamtic renewal” but in the entire Church, priest are not getting involved. The Fathers of the Second Vatican Council put the respossibility on the judgement of the authentisity of the charisms on the pastors.

*From the acceptance of these charisms, including those which are more elementary, there arise for each believer the right and duty to use them in the Church and in the world for the good of men and the building up of the Church, in the freedom of the Holy Spirit who “breathes where He wills” (John 3:8). This should be done by the laity in communion with their brothers in Christ, especially with their pastors who must make a judgment about the true nature and proper use of these gifts not to extinguish the Spirit but to test all things ***and hold for what is good (cf. 1 Thess. 5:12,19,21).(4)

DECREE ON THE APOSTOLATE OF THE LAITY
APOSTOLICAM ACTUOSITATEM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS,
POPE PAUL VI ON NOVEMBER 18, 1965

So many people ready to blame lay persons for the misuse of the charisms, or the so called “theatrics”, but had the pastors stepped in & done their jobs a the Vatican II Fathers had asked them too, then we wouldn’t be having so many people rejecting the gifts of God. We also would be spared those whose gifts are not truly given by God.

We have a prayer spanish group in our parsih where all the members speak in “tongues”, but it’s not authentic for all of them. Many of them have admitted that they a mimicing the leader, which is not what the gift of tongues is.

Priests need & must get involved. My parents & I attend Holy Mass daily, & today we were blessed by the pastor of a nearby parish who allowed us to pray for him in spirit after mass. After about a few minutes of prayer in tongues, he rested in the Spirit (fell back/surrendered to God). He lay there for about 3-4 minutes as we sang thanks to Jesus for such a wonderful priest. He got up as we were singing & told us that he experienced a deep sense of peacefulness. If only all priests would be so wiling to surrender ot God’s Spirit.

As for your opinion on people resisting the Holy Spirit…“catholics” have been doing this for tha last 1200 years, as he first 8 centuries of the Church the Holy Spirits’ gifts were used in the Church regularly. St Augustine was the one who said the the charisms of the Spirit had bwindeled in use in his time & were giving way to canon law, yet he was present at a celebration of the Holy Mass were he witnessed 27 people instantly healed of severe illnesses.

To many “catholics” fighting the Holy Spirit (who does not force Himself on anyone), & not giving their all to God. Step out of you comfort zones people of God. The Kingdom of God is NOW!
And as a Catholic, how may one open up to the Holy Spirit to receive Him as charismatics have?
 
Now Laughter puzzles me. I’ve never heard of that being a gift/charism of the Holy Spirit. I don’t see its purpose at all.
Galatians 5:22 "In contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,
peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness,
gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
Now those who belong to Christ (Jesus) have crucified their flesh with its passions and desires. If we live in the Spirit, let us also follow the Spirit.
"


What do you do when you experience joy? Do you laugh? Should the anointing of the Holy Spirit produce something else? Laughter is a form of healing when it is given by God. The promise of God to Abraham was hearalded by laughter “So Sarah laughed” Gen 18:12. Her sons name “Isaac” means laughter. Laughter is a gift from God.:extrahappy: the Joy of the Lord is my strength!
 
Sorry to be so ignorant about these things, but I am a bit skeptical of things I haven’t really seen or experienced, such as witches and such… to me, the same goes with some of the beliefs of the Charismatics.

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I have not responded sooner because I am so irritated and offended by OP linking the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, an authentic, orthodox approved spiritual movement within the Church, to witchcraft. I hope by this time OP has been better educated by searching the topic on this forum. It only remains to add the suggestion that those who have questions about this movement look for a Life in the Spirit Seminar in your diocese. the recommendation goes for all the other participants in the discussion who are confusing an orthodox movement with abuses in other circles who call themselves “charismatic”.
 
And as a Catholic, how may one open up to the Holy Spirit to receive Him as charismatics have?
You already received the Holy Spirit at baptism when you were baptized with water, & confirmation reaffirmed your dedication to God. It is the “baptism of the Holy Spirit” that allows God’s gifts be to utilized by the one being annointed.

Mainly through frequent reception of the Sacraments of Reconciliation & Holy Eucharist. Anyone bapitized & confirmed (even those not confirmed) can come into a deeper understanding of Gods’ love through the gifts of the Holy Spirit. I was 11 yrs. old when I recieved “the baptism of the Holy Spirit”, my brother was only 2 years old when he began to pray in tongues.

"And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. What father among you would hand his son a snake when he asks for a fish? Or hand him a scorpion when he asks for an egg? If you then, who are wicked, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father in heaven give the holy Spirit to those who ask him?"

You must be willing to surrender all intellect & will to God.

** “The obedience of faith” (Rom. 13:26; see 1:5; 2 Cor 10:5-6) "is to be given to God who reveals, an obedience by which man commits his whole self freely to God,(4) and freely assenting to the truth revealed by Him. To make this act of faith, the grace of God and the interior help of the Holy Spirit must precede and assist, moving the heart and turning it to God, opening the eyes of the mind and giving “joy and ease to everyone in assenting to the truth and believing it.” (5) To bring about an ever deeper understanding of revelation the same Holy Spirit constantly brings faith to completion by His gifts.

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON DIVINE REVELATION
DEI VERBUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI ON NOVEMBER 18, 1965

One must be ready to understand through faith that God wishes to reveal & heal & bring us into a deeper relationship with Him.

Find out if your local parish has a “charismatic” prayer group & ask them to pray for your for the receiption of Gods’ gifts. “where two or more are gathered in my name, I am present” Matt 18:20

I’ll be praying for you too.:)**
 
What do you do when you experience joy? Do you laugh? Should the anointing of the Holy Spirit produce something else? Laughter is a form of healing when it is given by God. The promise of God to Abraham was hearalded by laughter “So Sarah laughed” Gen 18:12. Her sons name “Isaac” means laughter. Laughter is a gift from God.:extrahappy: the Joy of the Lord is my strength!
I get plenty of giggles on CAF:

Holy Laughter - Rodney Howard-Browne on CNN

Don’t Make Me Laugh

Some questions for Catholics who might embrace the Toronto Blessing.

He who laughs holiest laughs last?

Further:
A Controversial Phenomenon
By Leon-Joseph Cardinal Suenens
From the back cover:
"Since the onset of the Charismatic Renewal within the main Christian Churches in the late 1960’s one phenomenon at least has caused controversy and concern.
It has been described in Pentecostal terms as ‘resting in the Spirit’, ‘slain in the Spirit’, or ‘overpowering of the Spirit’ and it usually consists of falling (usually backwards) while engaged in a prayer or healing service.
The phenomenon is by no means new, having been found in the revivals of New England and in the West in earlier centuries. But it is the more recent claims that the phenomenon is a manifestation of the Holy Spirit that have been causing concern in the Church.
In this book (Malines Document No. 6) Cardinal Suenens, a firm supporter of the Charismatic Renewal, examines the phenomenon and analyses the historical background and the theoretical arguments produced in defense of authenticity.
With the benefit of his theological insight and pastoral experience Cardinal Suenens concludes that ‘resting in the spirit’ not only is not a manifestation of the power of the Holy Spirit but it threatens the authenticity and credibility of the Charismatic Renewal."
Cardinal Suenens comments on ‘Resting in the Spirit’
 
I have not responded sooner because I am so irritated and offended by OP linking the Catholic Charismatic Renewal, an authentic, orthodox approved spiritual movement within the Church, to witchcraft. I hope by this time OP has been better educated by searching the topic on this forum. It only remains to add the suggestion that those who have questions about this movement look for a Life in the Spirit Seminar in your diocese. the recommendation goes for all the other participants in the discussion who are confusing an orthodox movement with abuses in other circles who call themselves “charismatic”.
I wasn’t linking charismatics at all w/witchcraft. I just happened to mention that witchcraft is among the things I do not believe. I do not believe in possessed souls either, so I was trying to mention it as an example so people could help me understand charismatics, so people would understand I don’t believe in supernatural things like that :mad: I NEVER SAID CHARISMATICS = WITCHES!!
Sorry to be so ignorant about these things, but I am a bit skeptical of things I haven’t really seen or experienced, such as witches and such… to me, the same goes with some of the beliefs of the Charismatics
meaning because I haven’t seen it happen, I do not know if it exists. I’ve never seen an evil spririt, so I don’t believe in them. Same goes w/charismatics, I’ve never seen a true charismatic being slain or speak in tongues, so I do not believe it… yet! That is all the correlation I was making. I never linked it to witchcraft. You have read my posts before, I cannot believe you’d judge me like that! :mad:
 
I don’t doubt the authenticity of the charisms.
This is what I don’t understand, I received the anointing of the Holy Spirit during confirmation through the laying down of hands. Gradually I have seen some of those gift manifested without going
through another ceremony.

Why is it that many claim that those gifts are not active until someone other than the bishop lays their hands? I am all for praying for others for healing if you have the gift of healing and if someone falls because they are overwelmed by the Holy Spirit. I think this is wonderful too. But if you have received the gifts already at Confirmation why do you need to stir them up at the another ceremony?

As for laughter… Well I laugh all the time when something is funny, so you’re telling me this is a charism? I had been laughing before my confirmation (how can that be?).

I thought Issac was named laughter because Sarah doubted she was going to get pregnant.

I’m not trying to be difficult here, but I hope to get some insight.
 
Polish news media have reported that Mother Jadwiga was a charismatic figure who had had religious visions, and was attempting to transform the convent into a contemplative order.
In the quote, it used the word “charismatic figure” - not sure what exactly it means; however, I’d like to point out about one’s visions and his/her obedience to the church.

…more from the link on "ex-nun being evicted in Poland
news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071010/ap_on_re_eu/poland_rebel_ex_nuns
 
You seem “hellbent” (for lack of a better word) on trying to prove YOUR point of view on what God is doing. I will pray for you.

Read ‘Resting in the Spirit’ by Fr. Robert DeGrandis, S.S.J. marianland.com/degrandis/degrandis001.html

It doesn’t surprise me that many clerics are still not open to the will of God & are not more accepting of the charisms of the Holy Spirit…Judas was hand picked by Christ Himself.
 
Yessian - If you have not experienced a Charismatic conference or meeting, then all the testimonial in the world is insufficient second-handed account. Each person’s experience is unique and personal to that person.

I don’t know where you are located, but I’m sure if you checked with your Ordinary, someone could put you in touch with information concerning upcoming annual conferences. (SC has one 26-28 October in Columbia.)

I apologize that I haven’t read all the posts, so if it was already mentioned, forgive me. But you might inquire about a Life in the Spirit conference as well. Typically a smaller gathering with more direct teaching on the subject of the charisms and charismatic movement.

As with anything, it is up to each individual to discern who or what is speaking to them. You can trust that where God is present, the devil is working equally hard to confound you. So test everything - realize that the author of confusion and dissension is the devil. God IS the author of order.

God bless and good luck in your search for answers.
 
I wasn’t linking charismatics at all w/witchcraft. I just happened to mention that witchcraft is among the things I do not believe. I do not believe in possessed souls either, so I was trying to mention it as an example so people could help me understand charismatics, so people would understand I don’t believe in supernatural things like that :mad: I NEVER SAID CHARISMATICS = WITCHES!!
I don’t “believe” (put faith), in “possessed souls” either. The soul is neutral & can not become “possessed” until after death, meaning: in the condition in which the soul departs the flesh, whether in the state of grace or in venial or mortal sin dictates who will “possess” (own) that soul for all eternity, heaven or hell.

A human body & even those of animals can become “possessed” or more to the point, under the control of the evil one. Usually 51% or more under diabolical influence. Jesus encounterd the Gadarene/Garasene demoniac(s) - Matt 8:28-34, Mk 5:1-17 & Lk 8:28-39. It was in fact the evil spirits in people that first recognized Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God before human beings did.

Does the evil one exsist? Do evil spirits? What do you think?
There are dozens of scripture references that suport the exsisence of the fallen angels/spirits of evil & how they are “hellbent” on or destruction.
meaning because I haven’t seen it happen, I do not know if it exists. I’ve never seen an evil spririt, so I don’t believe in them. Same goes w/charismatics, I’ve never seen a true charismatic being slain or speak in tongues, so I do not believe it… yet! That is all the correlation I was making. I never linked it to witchcraft. You have read my posts before, I cannot believe you’d judge me like that! :mad:
You probably would never actually “see” an evil spirit, they are usually more subtle than that, unless you ask St. John Marie Vianney or St. Padre Pio, but they definately do exsist. Are we to fear them? No. Are we to respect the power God allows them to have? Yes, never challenge the devil or you could be in for a world of anguish.

Remember these scripture passages: "He summoned the Twelve and gave them power and authority over all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them to proclaim the kingdom of God and to heal (the sick)." Lk 9:1-2

"The seventy (-two) returned rejoicing, and said, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us because of your name.” Jesus said, "I have observed Satan fall like lightning 8 from the sky. Behold, I have given you the power ‘to tread upon serpents’ and scorpions and upon the full force of the enemy and nothing will harm you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice because the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice because your names are written in heaven." Lk 10:17-20

"17
These signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will drive out demons, they will speak new languages.
They will pick up serpents (with their hands), and if they drink any deadly thing, it will not harm them. They will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Mk 16:17-18

& no, I don’t paly with serpents or scorpions, mostly because they give me the creeps. 😃

I could share with you some of own experiences with the forces of the evil one, but they I wouldn’t want to scare you.
 
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