Ask about Islam round 3!

[Verisimilitude]

Society’s Ills

Once there were two students walking along a river. …

The second student replied, “I’m going upstream to find out who’s throwing all of these babies in the river.”

Try this one:
Luke 17:11-19
Ten Healed of Leprosy
11Now on his way to Jerusalem, Jesus traveled along the border between Samaria and Galilee. 12As he was going into a village, ten men who had leprosy[a]met him. They stood at a distance 13and called out in a loud voice, “Jesus, Master, have pity on us!”
14When he saw them, he said, “Go, show yourselves to the priests.” And as they went, they were cleansed.

15One of them, when he saw he was healed, came back, praising God in a loud voice. 16He threw himself at Jesus’ feet and thanked him—and he was a Samaritan.

17Jesus asked, “Were not all ten cleansed? Where are the other nine? 18Was no one found to return and give praise to God except this foreigner?” 19Then he said to him, “Rise and go; your faith has made you well.”

The point of this short story is to demonstrate the importance of going to the source of the problem to have a greater impact.

The source of our redemtion is God. The student in your story who jumped in to save the babies was the one who did right. When the other student got to the source of the problem and finds he is not strong enough to stop the evil one throwing babies in the water he has gained nothing.

Many people address each of society’s social ailments as separate entities. Thus we find numerous organizations that target a specific poison; The solution to racism, spouse abuse, child abuse, crime, pollution, alcohol abuse, drug addiction, and other social ills is one.

Yes, the solution is one. By what example do you think has done this best; Jesus or Mohammed?

Each problem does not require its own organizations and groups to eliminate it. The solutions for all of these is one. That one, is Islam.

Mohammed is walking up the river to find the problem, Jesus is in the river saving the children. Who we follow says a lot.

**To be Muslim is to be in submission and obedience to God. He is the one God who has no partner. Nothing is like Him. He is the Creator, not the created, nor a part of His creation. He is All-Powerful, absolutely Just, All-Knowing, All-Merciful, the Supreme, the Sovereign. There is no entity worthy of worship besides Him.

You say God is all powerful, except Islam limits Him by saying God cannot be human in Jesus.

Islam the Modern Religion

Jesus Christ is the Truth of all time.

 

[sedonaman]

…The solution to racism, spouse abuse, child abuse, crime, pollution, alcohol abuse, drug addiction, and other social ills is one.

Each problem does not require its own organizations and groups to eliminate it. The solutions for all of these is one. That one, is Islam.

Society has its ills; but, as that great prophet of Islam, Jesus Christ, pointed out, the solution is not lynch mobs whipped up into a rage of self-righteous indignation and armed with ropes, whips, and stones.

 

[madabkr4tx]

New thread for the continuous convo!

How can Jesus Christ be considered a moral man and a prophet if we was lying about his identity: The Son of God?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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How can Jesus Christ be considered a moral man and a prophet if we was lying about his identity: The Son of God?

I guess , you are not asking Muslims about this ? To us , Jesus (pbuh) is not a son of God but a humble servant & blessed Prophet . If u want to know about Christians view , pl. ask in the related thread on Christianity , thanks.

Verse from holy Quran :

"He begets not, nor was He begotten

( سورة الإخلاص , Al-Ikhlas, Chapter #112, Verse #3)

 

[qui_est_ce]

To us , Jesus (pbuh) is not a son of God but a humble servant & blessed Prophet . If u want to know about Christians view , pl. ask in the related thread on Christianity , thanks.

Asking You, Muslim Woman. Jesus claimed to be God. If He is not God, but merely a blessed Prophet, then Jesus is a liar.
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John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, **I AM.” **

footnote
24 [58] Came to be, I AM: the Greek word used for “came to be” is the one used of all creation in the prologue, while the word used for “am” is the one reserved for the Logos.*

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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You say God is all powerful, except Islam limits Him by saying God cannot be human in Jesus.
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God has power over all things . God is immortal , man is mortal . No one can harm our Creator. If God dies , who will take care of us ?

Verse from holy Quran :

Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He),

the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him.

To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?

He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills.

His Kursee extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great.

(This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursee.)

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255)

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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… If He is not God, but merely a blessed Prophet, then Jesus is a liar.

No person is a Muslim if s/he thinks Jesus (pbuh) was a liar .

Bible was written by many persons , many verses
were included , later removed , again included in Bible.

Some were used as footnotes , later included in the main text . One example :

What The Bible Says

Capital Punishment

…Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.” …There is a question of the authorship and date of the story.

“This passage is not found in any of the important early Greek textual witnesses of Eastern provenance (e.g., in neither Bodmer papyrus); nor is it found in OS [Old Syriac] or the Coptic. . . . It is only from ca. 900 that it begins to appear in the standard Greek text.” Clearly, “it was a later insertion” (Brown, p. 335).

It is for this reason that some translations (e.g., the first edition of the RSV) place it as a footnote rather than as part of the text-proper. As an insertion, it may have been attracted to this particular location by verse 15, “You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one.” However, a few ancient witnesses place it after 7:36 or at the end of the Gospel (as does NEB), and some of them after Luke 21:38 (perhaps because of similar entrapment stories in chapter 20).

On the other hand, the story does occur in some Old Latin manuscripts, was known to Augustine, and was included in Jerome’s Vulgate. Nonetheless, “In general the style is not Johannine either in vocabulary or grammar” (Brown, p. 336).

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[planten]

Society has its ills; but, as that great prophet of Islam, Jesus Christ, pointed out, the solution is not lynch mobs whipped up into a rage of self-righteous indignation and armed with ropes, whips, and stones.

**Sedonaman, you know very well that many nations were destroyed by God due to their bad deeds, bad works. The people of Noah and Lot is a good example. That is all described in the BibleOT and Quran. Unless you want to invent new rules for the mankind and want to be lenient towards their crimes. There is no way to avoid the guidance which came from God. That Guidance is found in the bibleOT and Quran and also in bibleNT.

Nowhere in the bibleNT there is any teaching of misbehaving filthy life. You cannot be lenient towards the society unless Jesus taught it particularly. Just because Jesus said, " The first stone should be thrown by some one who had never comitted adultery." That does not mean he was changing the law or the punishment for adultery. He said that punishment IS stoning to death. But he gave further good advice. That was also necessary.

I would ask you “Are you ready to implement the punishment of stoning to death for the crime of adultery with the additional condition that Jesus prescribed?” Are you ready to accept that adulterers should be stoned to death and the first stone may be thrown by some one who had never committed adultery? Please tell me the answer. Thanks.**

 

[Verisimilitude]

[God has power over all things . God is immortal , man is mortal . No one can harm our Creator. If God dies , who will take care of us ?

Jesus showed He had power over death with other people and Himself. Mortal death is not the end of our existance even according to your current belief which we agree because of the Last Day and the promise of being with God in the afterlife forever.

Verse from holy Quran :

… Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him.

( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #255)

If allah of the Quran has never felt sleepy or what it is like to be hungry or lonely then he does know everything.

How is allah of the Quran Just in judging you when he never felt what it is to be human?

Matthew 25:34

"Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37"Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40"The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

Who is a brother to the King?

Matthew 12:46-52

While Jesus was still talking to the crowd, his mother and brothers stood outside, wanting to speak to him. 47Someone told him, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside, wanting to speak to you.”
48He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

They might have been trying to tell him St Joseph had died or something else of import.

Do you defend this…

Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight are dearer to you than Allah and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause, then wait until Allah brings about His Decision (torment). And Allah guides not the people who are Al-Fasiqun (the rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #24)

…but mock this:.

Matthew 10:34-39

" ‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law -
36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’[a][/INDENT]

37"Anyone who loves his father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves his son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; 38and anyone who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.
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The one who said this…

Jihad (holy fighting in Allah’s cause) is ordained for you (Muslims) though you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you and that you like a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows but you do not know.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #216)

…did not say this…

John 14:26-27

But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. 27Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you. I do not give to you as the world gives. Do not let your hearts be troubled and do not be afraid.

or this:

Genesis 9

1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth. 2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground, and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands. 3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it. 5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of his fellow man.

6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man,
by man shall his blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made man.

7 As for you, be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it."

8 Then God said to Noah and to his sons with him: 9 "I now establish my covenant with you and with your descendants after you 10 and with every living creature that was with you—the birds, the livestock and all the wild animals, all those that came out of the ark with you—every living creature on earth.

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[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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How is allah of the Quran Just in judging you when he never felt what it is to be human? …

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DR. ZAKIR NAIK

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Concept of God in major Religions-VI : Concept of God in Islam

The Creator prepares the instruction manual
Allah (SWT) has endowed us humans with reason and intelligence. We invent and manufacture appliances for specific purposes. Tape recorders for instance are manufactured in large numbers.

It has never been suggested that in order to understand what is good for the tape recorder the manufacturer should become a tape recorder himself.

One simply assumes that the manufacturer will publish an instruction manual, since he has complete knowledge of his product. In short the instruction manual gives the dos and don’ts for the machine.

Human beings are a complex creation of Allah (SWT). Moreover, Allah will call this creation to account on the Day of Judgement. It therefore stands to reason, that the Creator informs us about the dos and don’ts of life. The Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for human beings.

Thus our Lord and Creator Allah (SWT) need not come in the form of a human being to know what is good or bad for the human being. He only has to reveal the instruction manual to mankind. Allah chooses Messengers:

Allah (SWT) need not come down personally for writing the instruction manual. Over the ages Allah has chosen men in every nation to deliver the Divine message. Such chosen men are called as messengers and prophets of God.

Some people are ‘blind’ and ‘deaf’
Despite the absurdity of the philosophy of anthropomorphism, followers of many religions believe in and preach it to others. Is it not an insult to human intelligence and to the Creator who gave us this intelligence? Such people are truly ‘deaf’ and ‘blind’ despite the faculty of hearing and sight given to them by Allah. The Holy Qur’an says:

“Deaf, dumb, and blind, They will not return (to the path).” [Holy Qur’an 2:18] The Bible gives a similar message in the Gospel of Mathew: “Seeing they see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.” [Matthew 13:13]

islamicvoice.com/june.98/zakir.htm

 

[Iamnotafraid]

Asking You, Muslim Woman. Jesus claimed to be God. If He is not God, but merely a blessed Prophet, then Jesus is a liar.
*
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, **I AM.” ***

footnote
24 [58] Came to be, I AM: the Greek word used for “came to be” is the one used of all creation in the prologue, while the word used for “am” is the one reserved for the Logos.

Or Crazy.

 

[Iamnotafraid]

How is allah of the Quran Just in judging you when he never felt what it is to be human?

(Playing Devils advocate here, as clearly I don’t believe Allah exists.)

Do Muslims not claim that they’re Allah is omniscient? If yes, then it is obvious, that Allah knows everything that could ever be known, including what it is like to be a human.

It is actually a pretty weak claim, that God wanted to experience the life and pain of a human, so he became flesh, in the form of Christ.

The Christian God IS OMNISCIENT, he knows all and see’s all. Including what it feels like to be a human. If he had to become a man to experience what it is like to live the life and pain of a human, then it simply means that God was lacking in experience and knowledge, which means God is not omniscient.

If God genuinely did not have that knowledge of human experience, then your God is not omniscient.

If God is omniscient and did have the knowledge to know what it is like to experience the life of a human, but became God in the flesh anyway, it simply becomes an exercise in futility, a parlour trick if you may.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful



Is Islam all about concentrating on the afterlife?

Terri - Vietnam

It has been nearly a year since my sister converted to Islam. My parents are Buddhist and are against her practicing her religion. Is it necessary for her to cover up and wear the headscarf and long Islamic dresses?

Since she has converted to Islam she seems very withdrawn and concerned very much with the afterlife and hell-fire. She does not appear to be living this life. Is this what Islam is about; concentrating on the afterlife?

Kamal Badr :… Although Islam constantly calls on us not to give in to the temptations of life; not to succumb to its allurements, it does not ask us to avoid material things.

It holds that spiritual elevation is to be achieved by living piously in the rough and tumble of life, not by renouncing the world. That’s why the true believers implore Allah saying:

"Our Lord! Give unto us in the world that which is good and in the Hereafter that which is good, and guard us from the doom of Fire."

Surah 2 Verse 201

So it’s clear that Islam seeks to strike a balance between the material and the spiritual aspects of life. It says that everything in the world is for man, but man’s existence in life is to serve a higher purpose: the establishment of a moral and just order that will fulfil Allah’s Divine Will.

…Faith is not a mere profession of beliefs; rather it acts as a mainspring of life. Righteous deeds must follow belief in Allah. This is the concept of religion in Islam; it’s something to be practised and not an object of mere lip service. That’s why one notices in several places in the Qur’an that Allah says:

“Those who believe and act righteously”.

And the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, says: “Allah will not accept belief, if it is not expressed in deeds, and will not accept deeds if they do not conform to belief.”

…The Islamic code of dress for Muslims is taqwa (piety); i.e. whatever you put on, let it be on the basis of fear and love of Allah. … Addressing men first, then women, Allah says:

“Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and be modest. That is purer for them. Lo! Allah is aware of what they do.”

Surah 24 Verse 30

“And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and be modest, and to display of their adornment only that which is apparent, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to reveal their adornment save to their own husbands or fathers or husbands' fathers, or their sons or their husbands' sons, or their brothers or their brothers' sons or sisters' sons, or their women, or their slaves, or male attendants who lack vigour, or children who know naught of women's nakedness.

And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed.” (An-Noor:31)

… let me ask you a question, sister. If a physician prescribes a medicine for you, assuring you that that medicine is an unfailing cure for your disease, won’t you follow the prescription? Of course, you would do everything to make sure that you follow the doctor’s order to the letter.

If that is the case, why do we find the “Divine prescriptions” from God, Our Creator, difficult to follow?!

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[Verisimilitude]

DR. ZAKIR NAIK

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Concept of God in major Religions-VI : Concept of God in Islam

The Creator prepares the instruction manual
Allah (SWT) has endowed us humans with reason and intelligence. We invent and manufacture appliances for specific purposes. Tape recorders for instance are manufactured in large numbers.

MW, what model number of Islam brand tape recorder are you?

It has never been suggested that in order to understand what is good for the tape recorder the manufacturer should become a tape recorder himself.

The Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for human beings.

Allah chooses Messengers:

This hardly deserves a response except to note the dehumanizing comparrison of man to machine to demonstrate the need for a literal instruction manual is absurd.

 

[sedonaman]

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The Holy Qur’an is the instruction manual for human beings.

That’s only what you believe. Why should anyone accept it?

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

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That’s only what you believe. Why should anyone accept it?

No problem . To you be your Way, and to me mine

( holy Quran; 109:6)