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Angelos, those few sinners are very important as the known ancestors of Jesus, according to bible.That is the problem. You have admitted they had been sinners. Thanks for that.
I see no problems as long as Jesus is sinless and was born of a holy and chaste maiden through divine promise.

Can you say the same about Mohammad? No way. He committed many sins even when he claimed to be the final messenger. He had been a pagan for 40 years! He was born of pagan parents! This is a real problem.
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You accused Muhammad but did not look in your own backyard about the ancestors of Jesus. By That you have disturbed many christians on this forum. You said that you were not Catholic. Then what faith are you? Catholic means faithful. So you are unfaithful ( to Jesus)?
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Thanks for comparing Mohammad to some sinful people in Jesus’ genealogy. Your faulty analogies will definitely bother many Muslims, if not the other members of Ahmadiyya.
 
Do not doubt anything. What I wrote is perfectly true. You are disturbed by the very bad behaviour of your people (booza, sex and gamble) and you are somehow trying to avoid the issue.

Avoiding what issue??? Your a great one to accuse me of such things, mr avoid all questions i cant answer planten!!!
And i suppose these things dont happen in Islamic countries hey? Well lets have a looksie shall we? I take it your from India?

Alcoholism in India
Alcohol consumption has been steadily increasing in developing countries like India and decreasing in developed countries since the 1980s. The pattern of drinking to intoxication is more prevalent in developing countries indicating higher levels of risk due to drinking. 62.5 million alcohol users estimated in IndiaPer capita c**onsumption of alcohol increased by 106.7% over the 15-year period from 1970 to 1996.**Due to its large population, India has been identified as the potentially third largest market for alcoholic beverages in the world which has attracted the attention of multi national liquor companies.
addictionindia.org
One of my friends got tired walking the streets of Paris. So he sat down on a bench on Camps de Eleyse. Very soon some gay arrived to make a deal with my friend. Do you understand DiL?
 
Avoiding what issue??? Your a great one to accuse me of such things, mr avoid all questions i cant answer planten!!!
And i suppose these things dont happen in Islamic countries hey? Well lets have a looksie shall we? I take it your from India?

Alcoholism in India
Alcohol consumption has been steadily increasing in developing countries like India and decreasing in developed countries since the 1980s. The pattern of drinking to intoxication is more prevalent in developing countries indicating higher levels of risk due to drinking. 62.5 million alcohol users estimated in IndiaPer capita c**onsumption of alcohol increased by 106.7% over the 15-year period from 1970 to 1996.**Due to its large population, India has been identified as the potentially third largest market for alcoholic beverages in the world which has attracted the attention of multi national liquor companies.
addictionindia.org

Yes i do understand, do you understand this:
Whats this, gays in an Islamic country??
Riyadh, 30 July (AKI) - Saudi religious police have arrested 55 people at a party allegedly held by homosexuals at a farm in Qatif province in the east of the country.
link

And

Gays, lesbians and transvestites took to the streets of three major Indian cities in the first nationally-coordinated pride marches aimed at overturning a law forbidding homosexuality.
link
So as you can see, all these things are taking place, in your backyard.

Oh please, ive been to Paris, and if a naked person walks down the street, they will get arrested, its called indecent exposure.
IF people are silly enough to have sex in a public place, they will also get arrested.

Now lets look at the prostitution in India
India is estimated to have 2 million female sex workers.[1] According to a Human Rights Watch report, Indian anti-trafficking laws are designed to combat commercialized vice; prostitution, as such, is not illegal.
wikipedia

You get arrested for prostitution in a western country Planten, but what happens in India… its not illegal… :eek:
And
Prostitution in Saudi Arabia

What are you talking about here?

I do not ‘disown’ my fellow Christians, we are taught to love, no matter what mistakes we make, its called love our fellow neighbour.
As i pointed out, what you have accused us of, also takes place not only in your own backyard, but in the Mother of Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia. ALL places have people committing sin.
Your views of the western world are very distorted. I suggest before you comment, actually go to one of these places and witness it for yourself instead of pre-judging what you ‘think’ it might be like.
On the other hand, im going to Egypt next year, and ive heard western women get ‘hassled’, but im not going to judge Egypt until i get there.
Now planten, its ok to admit your mistakes, i understand you have failed trying to divert attention away from the current issue at hand.
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**What is the current issue? You have admitted that you are the leaders in illicit sex affairs in all the world. I did not mean ladies walking naked in the streets of Paris but standing naked in front of their rooms waiting for customers.

Those who were not naked were sitting in restuarants ready to grab a customer. You people are leaders. Others may be learning from you. I hope nobdy will hassle you in Egypt. I have been there too.Pros’s are every where. I do not deny. But it is nothing on the scale as it is in the christian (pardon) countries,i.e. the sex and booze and gambling… What I mean, I do not like it and I wonder if church is responsible for it or not. Church has surrendered to the will of the people long ago.

Nobody can help the people now to avoid the problems of sex and drinks and gambling and interest.**
 
Avoiding what issue??? Your a great one to accuse me of such things, mr avoid all questions i cant answer planten!!!
And i suppose these things dont happen in Islamic countries hey? Well lets have a looksie shall we? I take it your from India?

Alcoholism in India
Alcohol consumption has been steadily increasing in developing countries like India and decreasing in developed countries since the 1980s. The pattern of drinking to intoxication is more prevalent in developing countries indicating higher levels of risk due to drinking. 62.5 million alcohol users estimated in IndiaPer capita c**onsumption of alcohol increased by 106.7% over the 15-year period from 1970 to 1996.**Due to its large population, India has been identified as the potentially third largest market for alcoholic beverages in the world which has attracted the attention of multi national liquor companies.
addictionindia.org

Yes i do understand, do you understand this:
Whats this, gays in an Islamic country??
Riyadh, 30 July (AKI) - Saudi religious police have arrested 55 people at a party allegedly held by homosexuals at a farm in Qatif province in the east of the country.
link

And

Gays, lesbians and transvestites took to the streets of three major Indian cities in the first nationally-coordinated pride marches aimed at overturning a law forbidding homosexuality.
link
So as you can see, all these things are taking place, in your backyard.

Oh please, ive been to Paris, and if a naked person walks down the street, they will get arrested, its called indecent exposure.
IF people are silly enough to have sex in a public place, they will also get arrested.

Now lets look at the prostitution in India
India is estimated to have 2 million female sex workers.[1] According to a Human Rights Watch report, Indian anti-trafficking laws are designed to combat commercialized vice; prostitution, as such, is not illegal.
wikipedia

You get arrested for prostitution in a western country Planten, but what happens in India… its not illegal… :eek:
And
Prostitution in Saudi Arabia

What are you talking about here?

I do not ‘disown’ my fellow Christians, we are taught to love, no matter what mistakes we make, its called love our fellow neighbour.
As i pointed out, what you have accused us of, also takes place not only in your own backyard, but in the Mother of Islamic countries, Saudi Arabia. ALL places have people committing sin.
Your views of the western world are very distorted. I suggest before you comment, actually go to one of these places and witness it for yourself instead of pre-judging what you ‘think’ it might be like.
On the other hand, im going to Egypt next year, and ive heard western women get ‘hassled’, but im not going to judge Egypt until i get there.
Now planten, its ok to admit your mistakes, i understand you have failed trying to divert attention away from the current issue at hand.
😉
Hey don’t forget all those dope fields in Afghanistan - don’t even kid yourselves that there are not many muslims partaking in getting their ‘high’ too! 😃

We have also had specials on TV showing muslims in ‘underground’ (or illegal) bars who are dancing, being lesbians and gay males, and drinking and listening to music in muslim nations. We also know that the 9/11 freaks were in Las Vegas and being drunks and hiring prostitutes - but I know - the mentality of muslims is that no matter what they do that is wrong if they die while killing infidels those ‘sins’ will be forgiven. That is some of that redefinition of what a sin is again - they forget that killing is a sin and so is suicide, and it was only a man who redefined sin - not God - so they might be in big trouble when they meet their Maker!
 
Salaam/peace
… We would like to raise our children with exposure to both religions.
a Muslim man can marry a chaste Jew or Christian woman. In future , kids should be raised as Muslims .

“This day are (all) good things made lawful for you.
The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them.

And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honor,

not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.” (Al-Ma’idah: 5)
Does the Koran allow Muslim men to attend Catholic mass?
not sure. If there is a chance that he can be influenced by his wife & can leave Islam , then he must not attend any such ritual that is dedicated to other diety than the God Almighty.

And God knows Best.
Is a Catholic woman allowed to participate in prayers at the Mosque?
If you mean just to watch , then several mosques have arrangement for women & non Muslims to sit inside the mosque.
If you mean praying / worshipping , then remember , in our prayer we give testimony that God is one & Muhammed (p) is a slave & messenger of God .

a related link:

A Muslim Man Marrying a non-Muslim Woman

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543080
 
a Muslim man can marry a chaste Jew or Christian woman. In future , kids should be raised as Muslims .
But a Muslimah cannot marry a Christian man or a Jew. Why the double-standards and how is this supposed to respect the status of women in Islam?
“This day are (all) good things made lawful for you.
The food of those who have received the Scripture is lawful for you, and your food is lawful for them.

And so are the virtuous women of the believers and the virtuous women of those who received the Scripture before you (lawful for you) when ye give them their marriage portions and live with them in honor,

not in fornication, nor taking them as secret concubines. Whoso denieth the faith, his work is vain and he will be among the losers in the Hereafter.” (Al-Ma’idah: 5)
But a Muslim woman cannot marry a Christian man or a Jew. Even if she was a virtuous Muslim, she is not allowed to make her own decision to marry someone outside her faith “because it is the law of the Qur’an”. To a Berber, this may sound justified - but not to anyone living in the 21st, 22nd, 23rd century and onwards. I doubt anyone in the 7th century would have agreed with the laws of the Qur’an either, unless he/she was “coerced” into it - as you have.
 
Why dose Islam brainwash people? Specifically, why dose it make people not understand the truth? For example, the way the Trinity is presented in the Koran is false, how Mohammed plagerized pagan books, the fact that his “visions” were the result of a disorder he had, etc.

I have yet to see any proof that Mohammed had real visions, or that the Koran saying we Christians believe in three gods is true, or that Mohammed didn’t plagerize. Simply saying it is true because the Koran is incorruptable has about as much credbility as a man saying God exists because he thinks He dose. You need to present historical evidence for your claims - otherwise, you won’t be taken seriously and people will continue to challenge you to show evidence for your claims.
 
Learn how a ‘religion’ has used “transcendence”, which gives evil an aura of untouchable goodness, that God is above all our intellectual categories. If you want to read how they transcend evil into goodness - read this about jihad.

Centrality of Jihad in islam
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The whole idea of how they have done this feat, and how we are not used to dealing with such things.

theroadtoemmaus.org/RdLb/31JdXn/Christnty/Denom/PopeVsIslmTxt.htm

It goes on to explain how we are not used to dealing with such a concept coming from a ‘religion’. But, if one is aware of the atrocities that ‘moderate’ muslims allow and do nothing about and then deceive us on what islam is all about, what the violent jihadists do while spouting ‘allah akbar’ - you will figure out that this is why they bash people who bring this to light.

This ‘transcendence’ of making evil into something good. Of course, that means that sin has to be redefined - and mohammed did that too. He had to since he transgressed almost all of the 10 commandments himself! Even his pagan religion wasn’t known for the blood baths, thefts, etc that mohammed espoused.

When muslims talk about the good from islam they are not including what they consider ok for what muslims do to non-muslims. Even their sharia laws to nothing to protect non-muslims. The koran and hadiths, along with its history, is chock full of deeds and passages about what is acceptable to do to non-muslims. And what they don’t tell you also is that the peaceful passages were abrogated (replaced) by the violent passages. This is why their history is so full of human carnage.
 
Pehaps we Catholic should apply the same logic as our islamic brothes and sisters. We should learn (and in the interests of applying our friends logic) we have already learned all we need to know about islam from The Holy Bible… What can we deduce. Even if a angel of the Lord should appear to you and give another doctrine other than that what you have been give by the Lord Jesus Christ reject him and his lies.
 
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Why Jews don’t understand the trinity ??
 
Pehaps we Catholic should apply the same logic as our islamic brothes and sisters. We should learn (and in the interests of applying our friends logic) we have already learned all we need to know about islam from The Holy Bible… What can we deduce. Even if a angel of the Lord should appear to you and give another doctrine other than that what you have been give by the Lord Jesus Christ reject him and his lies.
Lucifer is an angel of the Lord also. And he is also known as the ‘Prince of Lies’. And what does the koran and the hadiths sanction for the muslims to do to us?.. Deceive us as to what islam is all about.
 
I asked about **Jewish **not JewishChristian
A Jewish Christian is still a Jew.
Originally Posted by Nicolas
Why Jews don’t understand the trinity ??
You didn’t put “Christian” in that sentence. You asked, i answered. You have a problem with that answer because you did not expect the answer to be so direct.
 
I just can not figure out how the quran’s scriptures are laid down. It seems that the poetic nature of it tries to deceive the reader. I wanted to decipher them one by one hopefully someone could help me. Let’s start with the Cow. Why a Cow?
“2.1”: Alif Lam Mim. What is this?

“2.2”: This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
So this book is purely to guard against evil?

“2.3”: Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
Can we make this simple? Those who believe in the unseen (what unseen?) and keep praying, spend out (?) what we(who are the we?) have given them(what were given?)
 
“2.4”: And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.
And whoever believes the revelation before and at present, it will be forever. Am I right on this?

“2.5”: These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.
These revelations are the right course from their Lord(who are the “their”), I do not know how to interpret the rest,

“2.6”: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.
Hmm, Those who disbelieve whether you warn them or not, will never believe. whew!
 
I just can not figure out how the quran’s scriptures are laid down. It seems that the poetic nature of it tries to deceive the reader. I wanted to decipher them one by one hopefully someone could help me. Let’s start with the Cow. Why a Cow?
“2.1”: Alif Lam Mim. What is this?

“2.2”: This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).
So this book is purely to guard against evil?

“2.3”: Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.
Can we make this simple? Those who believe in the unseen (what unseen?) and keep praying, spend out (?) what we(who are the we?) have given them(what were given?)
We want more of this! You should go on! 😃
 
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