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[R_not]

If this demonstrates the great respect Islam has for women, I cannot even imagine what would be considered the great disrespect towards women in Islam???

First, the quoted verse in chapter 2 obviously implies that resorting to women’s testimony is only advisable when it is impossible to find TWO MEN. Thus, women will not be allowed to give testimony if two male witnesses are present.

Second, the same verse means that TWO WOMEN will be called to substitute for the MISSING MAN. Thus, the missing male (one man) will be represented by TWO WOMEN. Why? Because the authors of the Koran taught that TWO WOMEN make ONE MAN.

There is none since whatever a man does to a woman is ok - why worry about disrespect!?

In many areas muslim males are saying it is ok to rape women if they do not follow sharia law, or basically follow whatever the muslim males wants them to follow. And we know what happens to muslim women if they are raped - what happens to infidels is ok since they are lower than pigs, dogs and feces.

Here is one guy saying women are ‘abandoned meat’ and to blame for being raped (this is also happening in Europe and elsewhere):
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/013729.php

The Dutch are finding out it is ok to disrespect women, if the muslims do it:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/019950.php

Anyway, when an abused woman gets something rather than nothing, especially when it is more than slaves and infidels - they feel better about it all. One can be brainwashed to believe anything.:hypno:

The place where muslim women get full equality are in our Western countries and they don’t even have a clue - if they were born here. They certainly have a clue if they come from muslim countries, but I wonder how many muslim women on these threads are from muslim countries? I don’t think we would hear anything different though. They would be watched as to what they enter on these threads, because their muslim males would have to approve of what they wrote.

Since dishonesty is such an integral part of islam - how can one trust its adherents? We can trust that muslim woman thinks that 1/2 rights, or being higher than infidels and slaves is better - but she also is not fully subjected to sharia laws either. She might be partially subjected to them since muslims practice sharia laws within their own communities way too often.

 

[mark_a]

Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

If a Muslim man has more than one wife, how is his estate distributed among them when he dies?

Thanks in advance.

 

[planten]

The following verse in the Koran was written by other scribes that contradictorily approved of rabbis’ authority:

Surah 5:44
Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which **the prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah’s Scripture **as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses.

The writers of this verse thought that Jewish rabbis and priests were given authority by God to judge the Jews in the same way as the prophets!

Some scribes must have suffered from short memory while writing the Koran.

**Angelos, you seem to have no knowledge of Islam. Also no knowledge of christianity too. You are a new christian and still in the learning stage.It appears that youleft islam without learning anything at all.

The verse is perfect. It is about the Jews and christians. They had the good books and they deided matters according to those books before the advent of latest islam.

Even during the time of the prophet, theyhad the same right, to have their matters decided by their own laws. Unless, any one did not want that and requested that his matter be decided by the Islamic law. Only then that person could be helped by the Islamic law. Otherwise, the cases of Jews and christians were decided according to their own laws.**

 

[dzheremi]

Even if Angelos is a new Christian, he has more knowledge of Christianity than you ever will if you continue to believe in the Quran’s depiction of it.

 

[thedavidwilson]

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The verse is perfect. It is about the Jews and christians. They had the good books and they deided matters according to those books before the advent of latest islam.

Even during the time of the prophet, theyhad the same right, to have their matters decided by their own laws. Unless, any one did not want that and requested that his matter be decided by the Islamic law. Only then that person could be helped by the Islamic law. Otherwise, the cases of Jews and christians were decided according to their own laws.**

I thought those books were corrupted by them? I am still waiting for evidence from a muslim that the bible and torah are corrupt?

 

[thedavidwilson]

If a Muslim man has more than one wife, how is his estate distributed among them when he dies?

Thanks in advance.

If he does not have a brother,father or other male relative that will take care of the wives they they all get equal shares. When a man is involved he will get 2 shares and the wives will get 1 share. A woman get’s half of what a man gets. I guess she cannot handle all that money.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace

If a Muslim man has more than one wife, how is his estate distributed among them when he dies?

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by Dr. Zakir Naik

The Quraanic verses that contain guidance regarding inheritance are:

Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 180

Surah Baqarah, chapter 2 verse 240

Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 7-9

Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 19

Surah Nisa, chapter 4 verse 33 and

Surah Maidah, chapter 5 verse 106-108

one verse …These are settled portions ordained by Allah; and Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. In what your wives leave, your share is half.

If they leave no child; but if they leave a child, ye get a fourth; after payment of legacies and debts.

In what ye leave, their share is a fourth,

if ye leave no child; but if ye leave a child, they get an eight; after payment of legacies and debts.

Al-Qur’an chapter 4: verse 11

…wife inherits 1/8th and husband 1/4th if the deceased has no children.

**Wife inherits 1/4th **and husband 1/2 if the deceased has children

saif_w.tripod.com/explore/practical/quran_on_inheritance.htm

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so , if a man has more than one wife , share will be equeally distributed among wives . kids will get their due share.

 

[Muslim_Woman]

Salaam/peace;

///The Hadiths, on the other hand, praise not all women, but only women that give birth

nuh. Both Quran & hadith also told us about rights of a woman as daughter, sister . How a man will be able to enter paradise if he takes care of his daughters etc.

In Quran birth of a girl is considered as a good news. Dont know why some translated the Arabic word Bushra only as a news. If a dad is not happy to have a baby girl , it’s condemned in Quran.

"And when the news of (the** birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark**, and he is filled with inward grief!

He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed.

Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."

(An-Nahl 16:58-59)

Hadith :

The Prophet (PBUH) once said,

“He who provides good upbringing to 3 daughters shall go to Paradise”.

A man asked, “what if one has only two daughters”. “He also shall go to Paradise”.

Another man asked, “**and what if one has only one daughter?” “He too”, replied the Prophet **(PBUH).

I also wonder why Mohammad did not respect his own mother,

 

[Angelos]

**Angelos, you seem to have no knowledge of Islam. Also no knowledge of christianity too. You are a new christian and still in the learning stage.It appears that youleft islam without learning anything at all.

The verse is perfect. It is about the Jews and christians. They had the good books and they deided matters according to those books before the advent of latest islam.

Even during the time of the prophet, theyhad the same right, to have their matters decided by their own laws. Unless, any one did not want that and requested that his matter be decided by the Islamic law. Only then that person could be helped by the Islamic law. Otherwise, the cases of Jews and christians were decided according to their own laws.**

You definitely have no knowledge of what I am debating here and what I have quoted that Koran verse for.

Please try to rebut my arguments (if you can) instead of attacking my character and attempting to poison the well in vain.

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace;

In response to this: Quote:
I also wonder why Mohammad did not respect his own mother,

lol …who gave u this idea ?

we dont need that much of info so that Muslims start worshipping her as mother of god .

Well, since mohammed wasn’t a god there is no worry there!

But, the part of mohammed not respecting his own mother is interesting. The book, ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’ goes into this (written by an Iranian ex-muslim, Ali Sina).

We all know that mohammed’s mother, Amina, died when he was young. When mohammed was born she immediately handed him over to a maid of his uncle, Abu Lahab (the man who mohammed cursed in surah 11.1). Her name was Thueiba, to be his wet nurse. Handing over children to wet nurses was quite common. mohammed’s father died before he was born which left Amina a widow. But, one thing the author made a note of was that mohammed’s first wife - Kadija who was a very wealthy woman, did not hand any of her children over to wet nurses, she took care of them herself.

The book goes into the times that Amina lived in and also how depression before and after affect a fetus, and then a baby. He admits to speculation, but also says that mohammed was described as being the same as babies that have the same attributes born from mothers who were depressed before and after birth - the babies are irritable and letharigic. And the children are slow learners, emotionally unresponsive with behavior problems such as aggression.

mohammed’s wet nurse said that mohammed was a problem and she handed him back to Amina when he was about 5 years old. About 6 months later Amina died. The wet nurse said that mohammed was having ‘strokes’. Basically he was having strange behavior and was in a fantasy world quite often. Children do that normally sometimes, but it seems mohammed was much more of a problem. At the time Amina took mohammed back she asked if he had a demon inside of him and the wet nurse responded ‘yes’.

(All of this came from Sirat Ibn Ishaq who was a muslim historian and he was mohammed’s biographer. His collection of stories was called ‘Sirat al-Nabi’ (‘Life of the Prophet’).
And that book was lost, but Ibn Hisham presented his book and it is still available.) see page 10

It was said that after mohammed conquered Mecca 55 yrs later he visited his mother’s tomb at Abwa, and he wept. He said he tried to pray for her but was unable to, but a tender memory overcame him and he wept.

mohammed didn’t even pray for the uncle who eventually took care of him after he went to live with his grandfather who also died. He was very attached to the uncle, Abu Talib. Both the grandfather and uncle favored mohammed and were said to have spoiled him. When he was with his uncle, he did not even want his uncle to part for him on journeys so his uncle took him with him.

But, in the end when Abu Talib was on his deathbed and did not convert to islam - mohammed walked out and did not pray for him. In fact, later mohammed was said to have heard mohammed say ‘Perhaps my intercession will be helpful to im on the day of resurrection so that he may be put in a shallow fire reaching only up to his ankles. His brain will boil from it.’ Bukhari:v5b58n224

this is the prophet that they honor so highly. this early history are on pages 10-13 of the book I mention.

Some of mohammed’s problems with his mother is understandable from a point of view that a child would not be able to know why a mother left him. No one really knows why she did. The author asks - did she find herself bound by a child while trying to find another husband? Was she depressed? - she was a widow at a very early age. The author does not know and there is no information on her in that regard.

 

[Angelos]

nuh. Both Quran & hadith also told us about rights of a woman as daughter, sister . How a man will be able to enter paradise if he takes care of his daughters etc.

In Quran birth of a girl is considered as a good news. Dont know why some translated the Arabic word Bushra only as a news. If a dad is not happy to have a baby girl , it’s condemned in Quran.

"And when the news of (the** birth of) a female (child) is brought to any of them, his face becomes dark**, and he is filled with inward grief!

He hides himself from the people because of the evil of that whereof he has been informed.

Shall he keep her with dishonor or bury her in the earth? Certainly, evil is their decision."

(An-Nahl 16:58-59)

Hadith :

The Prophet (PBUH) once said,

“He who provides good upbringing to 3 daughters shall go to Paradise”.

A man asked, “what if one has only two daughters”. “He also shall go to Paradise”.

Another man asked, “**and what if one has only one daughter?” “He too”, replied the Prophet **(PBUH).

You are changing your stand now to evade my points. LOL

Strikingly, Meccan pagans believed and worshipped more female deities than male ones. According to your Koran, many people worshipped certain idols because they believed them to be the daughters of Allah. Thus, Mohammad’s pagan folk had highly praised daughters (female) long before he started to criticise them.

Further, the god of the Koran is not different from those idolaters who were supposedly ashamed of fathering daughters rather than sons. Let’s see how Mohammad’s god denounces Meccan pagans for ascribing only female kids to him:

Surah Necm 53:19-22
Have ye thought upon Al-Lat and Al-'Uzza And Manat, the third, the other ? Are yours the males and His the females ? That indeed were an unfair division!

lol …who gave u this idea ?

Islamic & secular history gave me that idea. Can you refute that fact?

we dont need that much of info so that Muslims start worshipping her as mother of god .

Thanks for confessing that you consider Mohammad your only god

 

[R_not]

I remembered reading something that I had to dig for in the book that I mentioned in the last post and what is interesting is that this would explain why muslims would follow such a guy as mohammed. Why their faith grows no matter how vile we think of mohammed - they think they are being tested in their faith.

Here is the excerpt from the book:

page 4, Introduction of ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’

’Although this book is not addressed to muslims, it is mainly for them I have written it. As a Persian proverb says, I spoke to the door so the wall can hear. Enough has been said about mohammed being a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, and what not. Muslims hear all that, and continue believing in him without blinking. Oddly, some of them even claim tha after they read my articles on the internet (the Articles by Ali Sina in www.faithfreedom.org), their ‘faith in islam grew.’ They have accepted mohammed as a surpeior being and the ‘Mercy of god among mankind.’ They do not judge him by the standards of human morality and conscience. On the contrary, they believee that it was he who set the standards. For them, right and wrong, good and evil are not determined by the Golden Rule, a concept that is alien to the muslim psyche, but by halal (permitted) and haram(forbidden), wanton religious values that have no basis in logic, ethics or morality. muslims are genuinely incapable of questioning islam. they dismiss every doubt and consider things that are incomprehensible as a ‘test’ of god. To pass that test and to prove their faith, all they have to do is believe in every nonsense and absurdity unquestioningly.

This would explain why muslims ignore so much on these threads. This is why I also learn so much from ex-muslims who were born into it and later converted out of it - they know islam.

 

[Angelos]

I remembered reading something that I had to dig for in the book that I mentioned in the last post and what is interesting is that this would explain why muslims would follow such a guy as mohammed. Why their faith grows no matter how vile we think of mohammed - they think they are being tested in their faith.

Here is the excerpt from the book:

page 4, Introduction of ‘Understanding muhammad, A Psychobiography’

’Although this book is not addressed to muslims, it is mainly for them I have written it. As a Persian proverb says, I spoke to the door so the wall can hear. Enough has been said about mohammed being a looter, a mass murderer, a marauding gangster, a pedophile, an assasin, a lustful womanizer, and what not. Muslims hear all that, and continue believing in him without blinking. Oddly, some of them even claim tha after they read my articles on the internet (the Articles by Ali Sina in www.faithfreedom.org), their ‘faith in islam grew.’ They have accepted mohammed as a surpeior being and the ‘Mercy of god among mankind.’ They do not judge him by the standards of human morality and conscience. On the contrary, they believee that it was he who set the standards. For them, right and wrong, good and evil are not determined by the Golden Rule, a concept that is alien to the muslim psyche, but by halal (permitted) and haram(forbidden), wanton religious values that have no basis in logic, ethics or morality. muslims are genuinely incapable of questioning islam. they dismiss every doubt and consider things that are incomprehensible as a ‘test’ of god. To pass that test and to prove their faith, all they have to do is believe in every nonsense and absurdity unquestioningly.

This would explain why muslims ignore so much on these threads. This is why I also learn so much from ex-muslims who were born into it and later converted out of it - they know islam.

This analysis but proves Islam is a cult founded by Mohammad, who is considered a god by his followers.

 

[planten]

If he does not have a brother,father or other male relative that will take care of the wives they they all get equal shares. When a man is involved he will get 2 shares and the wives will get 1 share. A woman get’s half of what a man gets. I guess she cannot handle all that money.

**Dear, It is easy.

If the man dies without any children then the wives will get 1/4 of the whole property after deduction of any loans or Will (Wasiyat). That means each one will get 1/8 of the property left by the man.

If the man has children then the two wives (they are mothers) will get only 1/8th of the entire property after necessary reductions. That means each mother will get 1/16 th of the property of the deceased.

The rest of the property = 7/8 of the deceased will be divided amongst children and parents as per other fractions. I hope it is understood.**

 

[planten]

This analysis but proves Islam is a cult founded by Mohammad, who is considered a god by his followers.

Angelos, some foolish man had written adverse things about Muhammad and you are approving them. It means you are as bad as the writer.

 

[planten]

I thought those books were corrupted by them? I am still waiting for evidence from a muslim that the bible and torah are corrupt?

** Torah became extinct during the attack on Jerusalem by the baylonian king. He took away the prisnors and the sacred things. There was no book left.

Then some one who was born in captivity wrote the Torah by his mind (by rememberance). He rebuilt the book. That could never be the exact Torah.

Now about the bible NT. There has been much written about Muhammad being illiterate. I believe Jesus was also illiterate in the sense that he never wrote anything himself. Nor did he tell any one directly to write anything. So where is the bible (injeel) i.e. the messages Jesus received from his God? It is nowhere.

There is only the life sketch (biography, short history) of Jesus life in the bible NT. That is only three year period, very short period compared to Moses or Muhammad.

WE do not have to say that bible is corrupted. There is no real thing. So whatever is with the people, we have to make do with it in order to understand what Jesus had been doing.**

 

[planten]

You definitely have no knowledge of what I am debating here and what I have quoted that Koran verse for.

Please try to rebut my arguments (if you can) instead of attacking my character and attempting to poison the well in vain.

That is good. Two dumb fellows on this forum could be source of amusement for the rest of friends here. Keep it up angelos. i am with you. In other words (of the bible) you and I are one. Only we have to work out who will be the father?

 

[Angelos]

That is good. Two dumb fellows on this forum could be source of amusement for the rest of friends here. Keep it up angelos. i am with you. In other words (of the bible) you and I are one. Only we have to work out who will be the father?

That is a very offensive post from you. I do not think you have the right to overtly abuse and insult some Christian posters here

I shall never be one with a person that blindly rejects the truth and follows a pagan.

 

[Angelos]

** Torah became extinct during the attack on Jerusalem by the baylonian king. He took away the prisnors and the sacred things. There was no book left.**

There was temporarily no book left, but the God of Israel was always and permanently with His chosen ones. He never allowed some evil people to corrupt His divine message and mislead His followers. The God of the Torah is the God of love and truth, and His words remain forever anbd His truth prevails no matter what. The god of the Koran, on the other hand, is a god that fails to preserve his message and who lets evil people replace his words with false teachings.

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Then some one who was born in captivity wrote the Torah by his mind (by rememberance). He rebuilt the book. That could never be the exact Torah.**

What could be the exact Torah? Your suppositions cannot be proven unless you first prove that God had given Israel a book like the Koran in form and content, which Muslims can never do. This is because such a book (the so-called original Torah) has never existed! LOL

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Now about the bible NT. There has been much written about Muhammad being illiterate. I believe Jesus was also illiterate in the sense that he never wrote anything himself. Nor did he tell any one directly to write anything. So where is the bible (injeel) i.e. the messages Jesus received from his God? It is nowhere.**

Jesus was neither illiterate nor pagan, unlike your Mohammad. Jesus left His message (Gospel means good news, not essentially and necessarily a book or writing!) with the Church He established. The truth is still with Jesus’ church. Stop worrying about us because of your false presumptions. It is to no avail

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There is only the life sketch (biography, short history) of Jesus life in the bible NT. That is only three year period, very short period compared to Moses or Muhammad.**

What about the Koran? If we put the whole information in the Koran about Issa on pages, we would have only 2 pages at most ! Why do you think your scripture narrates Moses’ life and prophetic ministry more than those of the other Biblical figures? Why could the authors of the Koran do nothing further than adopting the narratives in the apocryphal Gospels while talking of Jesus??? Why does the limited and vague info about Jesus in the Koran mostly refer to the nativity and infancy narratives???

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WE do not have to say that bible is corrupted. There is no real thing. So whatever is with the people, we have to make do with it in order to understand what Jesus had been doing.**

Yet you feel yourself obliged to say that the Bible is corrupted. How contradictory.

The original Bible is with us Christians whereas the corrupted and false copy of the Bible (the Koran!) is with you Muslims

 

[Malgosia]

Salaam/peace;

women are allowed to work but it’s better if she stays at home & be the Queen there . Surely u know king rules the kingdom & Queen rules the king ?

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I do not know even one Muslim marriage where a woman is treated like a queen. Most of my friends are Muslims, and my husband’s entire family is Muslim.

If she is to be a queen, why then can the king beat her

Your words really make no sense. You are trying very hard but you will never convince anyone that woman has more rights in Islam than man, but yet he can do all these things to her, and she is still treated as queen by him.

Your words are contradictory of the realities of Islam.