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dolphinlove
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nah, she, like all other muslims, do not know how to answer the questions presented before them…It seems that you alsobeing irrelevant.
its better to run and insult than to face and answer with ‘i do not know’
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its better to run and insult than to face and answer with ‘i do not know’
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Angelos
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SO WHAT? Your presumption that the Jewish Scripture was distorted and that the original Torah was lost as a consequence of this historic incident is unknown to secular and Jewish history as well as to your Koran. LOL
ROTFL. Thanks for helping me see another mistake in your beloved Koran. Mohammad’s scribes obviously made a mistake when they wrote that God gave the Injeel to Issa when He sent him to Israel and asked Jews to follow the book given to Him.
According to a verse in your Koran, Jesus was sent with the Injeel to make some unclean food in the Torah pure for Israel. I conclude you think that this was a Satanic verse forgotten to be removed from the Koran.
The points of your argument are impertinent as usual. Let me repeat the fact that you blindly deny: Moses and Jesus had many things in common. Now time to list the contrasts between Moses and Mohammad. Moses was of Isaac’s progeny unlike Mohammad. Moses was literate unlike Mohammad. Moses was chosen by God before his birth unlike Mohammad. Moses performed many miracles unlike Mohammad. Do you want me to go on?
Actually, you have just helped me find another similarity between Moses and Jesus. Both lived for some time in Egypt before returning to the Holy Land and starting their prophetic mission. The Torah also says nothing about the days of Moses’ childhood spent in Egypt.
We use the word “passion” to summarise the things Jesus lived through. Ironically, Jesus reached His aim and saved people through death on the cross. The resurrection indicates that Jesus is the victor and the Savior, which you deliberately ignore.
Let’s see what Mohammad did. We know nothing about his childhood except for that his mother abandoned him. He was an outcast by birth. Until his adolescence he could achieve nothing. He tried playing the jigolo when he married a rich and aristocratic woman, who was more like a mother to him than a wife. Then Mohammad suddenly decided to imitate monks by isolating himself in caves for meditation. When his wife died, Mohammad condemned his own monastic approach to life and decided to be keen on power, money, and sex. In the end, his dreams of becoming God’s final messenger turned him into the head of a cult and a murderer.
The only thing I consider miraculous about the Koran is that you Muslims still believe it and consider it God’s word despite the apparent mistakes and blunders it contains.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
Christians , do u know we Muslims believe in the miracles Jesus (p) perfomed ?
Can u tell me what was his first miracle ? I guess u know the ans . Ok , tell me what was his first sentence as a newborn baby ?
Christians , do u know we Muslims believe in the miracles Jesus (p) perfomed ?
Can u tell me what was his first miracle ? I guess u know the ans . Ok , tell me what was his first sentence as a newborn baby ?
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R_not
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Who cares what His first sentence was. His mother did not give Him away. He was loved and nourished in His early childhood, and He took on the trade of the man who raised Him. He helped Joseph in his carpentery.
It is unfortunate that mohammed did not have the same childhood, but that is not really the problem. Not all of us have ideal childhoods, and many have very good childhoods and still have problems later in life. The problem is that people follow this guy who did not have a message other than fighting and killing, stealing and enslaving, of lust and pediphilia. that is the problem.
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Basic jihad:
If Muslims are taught traditional Islam, they are inculcated with certain beliefs, and these beliefs include the following:
jihadwatch.org/archives/022576.php
and unfortunately, we can never have any rest from now on. 9/11 has changed our world since jihad against us has sped up. They even are out trying to brainwash our boy scouts.
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=005A46C8-ECFD-4FDD-A68E-9E7E66436623
What does islam have to do with boyscouts? Well, they will make it have something to do with them.
If Muslims are taught traditional Islam, they are inculcated with certain beliefs, and these beliefs include the following:
- All Muslims must participate, directly or indirectly (depending on the circumstances) in the “struggle” or Jihad to push back the boundaries of Dar al-Islam, to remove all obstacles to the spread, and then to the dominance, of Islam – everywhere. The world belongs to Allah, and to his people. That world is the whole world, and not merely “that part of the world where Muslims in 2008 dominate but nowhere else” or “that part of the world where Muslims dominate in 2008, and all other areas that they once dominated – including the lands now known as Spain, Israel, Sicily, Greece, Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia, Rumania, much of Hungary, much of southern and central Russia, almost all of India.” No, it means the whole world.
- Muslims are taught that between Muslims, and non-Muslims, Believers and Infidels, there must exist a permanent state of war, though not always of open warfare (when that would not be to the Muslim advantage).
jihadwatch.org/archives/022576.php
and unfortunately, we can never have any rest from now on. 9/11 has changed our world since jihad against us has sped up. They even are out trying to brainwash our boy scouts.
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=005A46C8-ECFD-4FDD-A68E-9E7E66436623
What does islam have to do with boyscouts? Well, they will make it have something to do with them.
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
what was his first sentence as a newborn baby ?
yes , I know Christians dont think Jesus (p ) talked as a baby . But we beleive he did & thus he defended his innoconet mom .
So , can u guess what he said according to Quran ?
what was his first sentence as a newborn baby ?
yes , I know Christians dont think Jesus (p ) talked as a baby . But we beleive he did & thus he defended his innoconet mom .
So , can u guess what he said according to Quran ?
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dzheremi
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“I sure hope some guy named Muhammad comes one day six centuries after I’m crucified so that he can correct everything I’m going to say after this sentence right here”?
“There is no God but Allah and I’m just his messenger, but this Muhammad guy…now HE’S really something else!”?
“I sure hope everything I do gets into the Quran…” (this is just me being hopeful when I know there’s no reason to be)
Am I close?
“There is no God but Allah and I’m just his messenger, but this Muhammad guy…now HE’S really something else!”?
“I sure hope everything I do gets into the Quran…” (this is just me being hopeful when I know there’s no reason to be)
Am I close?
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace;
yap . almost near to it"
"There is no God but Allah and I’m just his messenger,
…Am I close?
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R_not
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“I sure hope some guy named Muhammad comes one day six centuries after I’m crucified so that he can correct everything I’m going to say after this sentence right here”?
“There is no God but Allah and I’m just his messenger, but this Muhammad guy…now HE’S really something else!”?
“I sure hope everything I do gets into the Quran…” (this is just me being hopeful when I know there’s no reason to be)
Am I close?
:bigyikes:
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Angelos
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Although canonical Gospels do not state that Jesus performed a miracle when He was a baby, and John the Evangelist says Jesus performed His first miracle on the occasion of a wedding in Cana (John 2:11), some apocryphal Gospels include stories that depict Jesus as a miracle worker in His childhood. In one of these non-canonical Gospels baby Jesus is said to have spoken in His cradle:
THE ARABIC GOSPEL OF INFANCY
With the help and favour of the Most High we begin to write a book of the miracles of our Lord and Master and Saviour Jesus Christ, which is called the Gospel of the Infancy: in the peace of the Lord. Amen.
- We find (1) what follows in the book of Joseph the high priest, who lived in the time of Christ. Some say that he is Caiaphas. (2) He has said that Jesus spoke, and, indeed, when He was lying in His cradle said to Mary His mother: I am Jesus, the Son of God, the Logos, whom thou hast brought forth, as the Angel Gabriel announced to thee; and my Father has sent me for the salvation of the world.
Those who want to read more can reach this non-canonical Gospel at wesley.nnu.edu/Biblical_Studies/noncanon/gospels/infarab.htm
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Muslim_Woman
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Salaam/peace
Also here Jesus (p) did not tell his mom that hey , I am God , worship me .
Anyway , detalile discussion will be off topic here.
First sentence of Jesus (p) was : ** I am a servant of God Almighty .**
After hearing this , people did not harm him or his innocent mom .
Praise be to God only.
Verses we need specially for hereafter :
It is not meet for a mortal that God should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men:
Be my servants rather than God’s; but rather (he would say):
Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).
And neither would he enjoin you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords; what!
would he enjoin you with unbelief after you are Muslims?
( 3: 79-80)
lol…how come we can’t see this in the Authorized Bible or in other versions ? And Christians claim no one altered Bible .
Also here Jesus (p) did not tell his mom that hey , I am God , worship me .
Anyway , detalile discussion will be off topic here.
First sentence of Jesus (p) was : ** I am a servant of God Almighty .**
After hearing this , people did not harm him or his innocent mom .
Praise be to God only.
Verses we need specially for hereafter :
It is not meet for a mortal that God should give him the Book and the wisdom and prophethood, then he should say to men:
Be my servants rather than God’s; but rather (he would say):
Be worshippers of the Lord because of your teaching the Book and your reading (it yourselves).
And neither would he enjoin you that you should take the angels and the prophets for lords; what!
would he enjoin you with unbelief after you are Muslims?
( 3: 79-80)
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Angelos
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I wish you had read my post before wasting your precious time by writing this impertinent post. LOL
My aim was to demonstrate the uncanny similarities between a narrative in an apocryphal Gospel of the second century in Arabic and a verse of the Koran written in the seventh century. The fact that you try to evade my point tells me I have already reached my goal.
You seem not to know that NOT every Gospel confirming the basic Christian tenet of Jesus’ divinity is considered canonical by Christ’s Church.
My reference to the Arabic Gospel of Infancy functions to illustrate how Mohammad’s scribes made use of non-canonical literature through deliberate textual modifications. The Koran is partly a false copy of certain accounts about Jesus’ nativity and infancy in the non-canonical scripture.
Did He have to say that to make you happy? Who are you to command Jesus what to and how to say? Where does Jesus say “I am NOT god, do not worship me” in your Koran? I cannot see such a verse. LOL
Actually, we do not know how those people reacted when they saw an infant speak in his cradle. Thanks to Mohammad’s careless scribes, the account in the Koran is not coherent and it stops abruptly with the denunciation of both Jews and Christians for their disagreement about Issa.
Besides, Issa in that account says nothing to protect his mother from the questioners. Issa’s short monologue fails to answer the questions why and how Mary bore her child miraculously.
Why do you think baby Issa spoke in His cradle to emphasise His being a servant of God and implicitly rejected being the Son of God (the textual alteration is clear through the comparative analysis of the same account in the apocryphal Gospel and in the Koran)? Why would baby Issa need to deny the basic Christian tenet when there were no Christians around? Why did the writers of this Surah need to insert their comments about Christians and their knowledge of Jesus into this narrative? In short, why is this Surah of the Koran so clearly anachronistic???
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sambos671
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You referred me to this post so I’ll ask my questions here. BTW if I make a mistake in spelling, I’m sorry I don’t mean to insult, I’m just a horrible speller.
- Are you conserned over the similarity of the founding of Islam and the founding of Mormonism? What makes the islamic case a stronger one?
- You mention something about the authorized bible. What are you talking about?
- I see no mercy in Islam. Yet everybook accept the one called repentance says in the name of the compasionate and merciful. How can God be that if he instucts in the Koran to ambush the people of the book and to lay seige on them everywhere unless they repent and pay the alms levy?
- The koran says “God forbid that he should begat a son” Yet Christianity affirms that. How can Islam say it has a better read on the truth of this matter when it began 500 years after Christ?
- Mohammed supposidly went on a magical journey to Jerusalem but it could have been a dream. Why the big argument over the dome of the rock?
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planten
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** We are not concerned with Mormonism. We do not know much about it. Even then it is a recent developed religion. It will take some time to come in the lime light. Let it flourish.**
** It is not understood. We Muslims are looking for the actual bible if there is any. What we have now is only a biography of Jesus, written by men. These are words of men and not words of God.
I do not know if this was what you wanted to know.**
** If You are looking for the word merciful then there are 114 chapters in the Quran. They all (Except one) begin with the verse “In the name of Allah, the Beneficient , The Merciful”.
Allah has ordered the Muslims to be careful, to be merciful. If any one will not show mercy to the creation (people, animals) of God, Then God will not show mercy to that person.
Now about fighting, it is a two way affair. Muslims are not start a war, not to attack any one. The verses you may have seen in the Quran about killing are for those who pick a fight with the Muslims.
Please note the special word “kafir” in Quran. Kafir is an enemy of the religion, like there were in the time of Jesus too whom Jesus was cursing all the time. Kafir is not a simple peaceful non-believer. He/she is an active hostile disbeliever bent upon annihilating the relgion of Peace.
In the time of Moses a.s. it was the Pharoah and his hosts who were kafirs. It is written as such in the Quran. So such people are always around to kill the system. It is necessary to fight such people. The other peaceful people of any belief need not fear anything at all. there is never any killing of any peaceful innocent person of any faith.**
That is true. it is not necessary for god to beget any one in the real sense. You know the meaning of begetting. It is in that sense, as it is in the bible too. Please read mathew chapte rone. Abraham begat Issac. Issac begat jacob. jacob begat Jehudah. So perhaps God begat Jesus too. Would you believe and continue this beagting business please? It is unreal works of the church which should not be taught and should not be spread in the world.
Yes, that is true. It was a spiritual journey which was arranged for the prophet by Allah. Instead of calling it a dream, you may call it a vision which is the word for the true dream. It was all as if real. It was the transmigration of the soul and not the body.
** You are welcome.**
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R_not
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well, you don’t look too hard since I already addressed this to you twice and you don’t even bother to do any research for yourself. What you don’t admit to that if you just put your hands over your eyes, plug your ears, and say ‘lalalala…’ then you won’t have to ever know and keep on saying the Bible is wrong.
Here goes again - the 3rd time.
** the koran was recorded 1400 years ago and you think because of that it is the truth - logic and reason must follow that the Bible which is much older is even more truthful. But, you cannot believe that because mohammed, an illiterate, said it was screwed up. What if mohammed was wrong? He was wrong on so many thing that he would change allah’s mind. that is why there are abrogated surahs in the koran.
The koran was also written years AFTER mohammed died. And it is based on people’s memorize while the Bible was not. The people knew how to write during and the bible is based on written manuscripts.
“there are 25,000 ancient Bible parchments, scrolls, fragments, and letters testifying to the immediacy and accuracy of today’s Judeo-Christian scriptures. Yet the only archeological evidence that has survived from the Qur’an’s first century is a coin and an inscription inside the Dome of the Rock on the Jewish Temple Mount. These fragments differ from each other and from today’s book.”
From a man named J.M. Rodwell, one of the early koran translators, 'Rodwell continues his analysis with these words: “It would seem as if Zaid put his materials together just as they came to him, and often with entire disregard to continuity of subject and uniformity of style. The text, therefore, assumes the form of a most unreadable and incongruous patchwork, and conveys no idea whatever of the development and growth of any plan in the mind of the founder of Islam, or of the circumstances by which he was surrounded and influenced.” Then after praising Zaid for his lack of “tampering” Rodwell adds that it is “deeply regrettable that no contemporary provided any historical reference, suppressed contradictory verses, or excluded inaccurate statements.”
Therefore, even in the best possible light, the Qur’an as first assembled was a mess. It was out of order, jumbled together, contradictory, and inaccurate. Yet there is no proof that even this best-case scenario is reliable. There is no corroborating evidence that the “revelations” actually became a book under Bakr, Umar, or Zaid. There are no fragments or tablets. All we have is a flimsy oral tradition suggesting that this best-case scenario occurred. There isn’t even a letter or a historical reference from any of the literate nations conquered by the first Muslim warriors to suggest that the Qur’an existed.’
Keep in mind that the earliest ones who memorized the koran were being killed on the battle fields.
'The Islamic scripture, however, was all based upon long lines of oral tradition. No copy of the Qur’an dated to within a hundred years of the prophet’s death survives. The oldest Hadith manuscript is two hundred years removed from the events it chronicles. Islam’s dark past is addressed at length in the “Source Material” appendix.
Muslim Traditions allege that the Qur’an first became a book at the direction of Abu Bakr, Muhammad’s father-in-law, during the War of Compulsion. We are told that the first Caliph feared that Muhammad’s divine revelations would be lost because most of the best “reciters” had become warriors. According to a lone Hadith, Umar, the second Caliph, convinced Bakr that something had to be done. The fleeting memories of Jihad fighters were the sole repositories of the Qur’an, and they were being killed at an alarming rate. The loss of most or all of Muhammad’s “revelation” was imminent. Legend has it that Zaid, a native of Medina and one of the prophet’s helpers, was assigned the task. He “gathered together the fragments of the Qur’an from every quarter, from date leaves, bones, stone, and from the breasts of men.”’**
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Since Jesus was born miraculously, conceived in the womb of the virgin Mary, then who is His Father?
Why does this not make God His Father?
Why does this not make God His Father?
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