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** I forgot to remind you that in the OT it was strictly told that you will not make any graven images. You have violated that order. There is no excuse for that, I hope**.
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It’s like keeping a picture of family members in your house - so you can remember them. We don’t worship the statues, just like you don’t worship a book (the Quran). We have them so that, when we’re praying, we’re less distracted by things like “what’s for dinner?” or “I wonder if we have any milk.”
Don’t criticize what you don’t understand - instead, as questions.
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God ordered us not to create graven images that would be worshiped. If you had any knowledge of the OT, you’d know that God Himself ordered “graven images” to be placed on the Ark of the Covenant - two angels - among others. Again, you’re just spewing the same lies that you have been told before. If you want to ask question, please do that! But don’t come here and try to prove us wrong with our own scriptures. You will fail
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Muslim Woman, I have a question
My Sunni friend told me that murder is unforgivable in Islam. I asked her if she was sure, since God’s Mercy is infinite, and she said it was a fact.
Is that true?
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Angelos
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You are contradicting yourself and denying your previous post. Jesus’ statement “Before Abraham was made, I AM” is always in the Gospel. However, you are trying to modify that clear statement since it goes against the teachings of the Koran and rebuts the Islamic allegation that Jesus never made Himself equal to God in the New Testament.
You claim to detest no one but your posts apparently stem from your hatred towards Christianity, towards Christ’s disciples (Paul, for instance!), towards Christ’s Church and the clergy (padres!).
I personally hate Islam and its scripture since these two spread lies about Jesus’ true message, aim to distort Jesus’ truth, slander my faith, and enslave my brethen. I hate Islam, which is a man-made ideology that presents Jesus as an inept and pathetic messsenger who failed to accomplish the supposed mission given Him (establishing Islam on earth!).
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What an essentially fallacious argument this is! I have read your Koran from the beginning to the end, and I am not an imam now! Let me repeat, you know absolutely nothing about our scripture. Your so-called knowledge is false since it is based on Islamic hearsay.
The title “Son of God”, when applied to Jesus, denotes His being a divine person equal to God. Thus, we mean Jesus is God when we say Jesus is the Son of God.
Now I see that you have not read your own scripture in its entirety either! The Koran designates Jesus as a messenger, as the Messiah, as the Word from Allah, as the Rooh from Allah. It is not difficult to guess that you will object to the Koran in the same way and deride it for calling Jesus too many things at the same time.
Now you are for the second time trying to correct Jesus and presenting your alternative as the clear statement.
It is probably because your remarks are not clear enough LOL . I never believe that the Jews were right in accusing Jesus of blasphemy because I never consider Jesus’ answer and remarks blasphemous. He told the truth. Please stop attributing to me the faulty sense you somehow derive from my explanation.
What you are bringing up is actually irrelevant. If I had wanted to discuss the meaning of the title “the Son of Man”, I would not have underlined the sentence “You have said it”. My reference to Matthew’s Gospel aimed to prove that Jesus meant YES whenever He answered the people questioning Him with the sentence “You have said so”.
Dear planten, I see no problems that need solutions. I know better than you that Christianity emphasises the personal responsibility for one’s sins. No ordinary sinful human can carry the burden of others. The only human who can save us from our sins and give us life is Jesus, whom you have no right to refer to as “someone else”. He is the sinless Savior sent by the Father for the salvation of mankind.
Nevertheless, your scripture cannot decide what to teach about sins and burdens. It first says no human can carry the load (sin) of another:
Surah 35:18
And no burdened soul can bear another’s burden, and if one heavy laden crieth for (help with) his load, naught of it will be lifted even though he (unto whom he crieth) be of kin.
Contradictorily, another Koran verse says some sinners will carry the sins of others:
Surah 29:12-13
Those who disbelieve say unto those who believe: Follow our way (of religion) and we verily will bear your sins (for you). They cannot bear aught of their sins. Lo! they verily are liars.But they verily will bear their own loads and other loads beside their own.
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Since God is definitely and naturally more intelligent than you Muslims, He knows that we do not worship those graven images.
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Amen - that’s all I’ve seen here. Jesus is called God so clearly in John 1:1 - Muslims claim a different word is used for “God” in the two instances, but they’re from the same base and differ by one letter because of the verbs associated with them. In both cases, the word is Θεός. So Jesus is God. Hooray.
They prey on those struggling in their faith, hoping that these lies will cause them to convert. It’s a disgusting practice, if you ask me, but hopefully they’re not aware of the evil that they’re spreading.
He is Risen!
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You mean everything present in the Church is worshipped by Christians? LOL I wonder when you will falsely blame us for worshipping candles, glasses, pews, curtains…
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Angelos
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The Islamic knowledge of Christianity and the New Testament can be best expressed by the word “ignorance”.
I wish they were honest at least!
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And I hope it really is ignorance - either way, they’re being used as instruments of Satan. It’s just whether they know it or not. To knowingly distort Jesus’ words like that…well it can only come from one place.The Islamic knowledge of Christianity and the New Testament can be best expressed by the word “ignorance”.
I wish they were honest at least!
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Then what about your kaba or your group prayer?in Jama’at prayer each row gives prostration to front row and every row do this to prayer leader.is not idolatory?and you also kiss the black stone during hajj,is it not idolatory?and you know that meccan pagan ritual was hajj then?how can you say that we are very close to idolatory?you(muslims) are very close to idolatory because your ritual and their rituals are same.so who is close to idolatory?catholics or muslims?
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Salaam/peace
But If die without repentance , then those who associated partner with God & killed innocent persons will go to fire.
**Before death approaches , ** if one offers sincere repentacne for any sin including murder , shirk will be forgiven ( by the will & mercy of God ).
a related link :
The Door of Repentance Is Wide Open
“Say:
‘O My servants who wronged against their souls,
do not despair of Allah’s mercy!
For Allah forgives all sins; for He is indeed Forgiving, Compassionate.’”
(Az-Zumar: 53)
“Do they not know that
it is Allah Who accepts the repentance of His servants and receives (approves) their charity,
and that Allah is the Relenting, the Compassionate?”
(At-Tawbah: 104)
Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,
“Allah accepts the repentance of His servant so long as death has not reached his collar bone.”
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543086
many sinners such as liars , hijackers etc can be forgiven on the last day because of their some good deeds.
But If die without repentance , then those who associated partner with God & killed innocent persons will go to fire.
**Before death approaches , ** if one offers sincere repentacne for any sin including murder , shirk will be forgiven ( by the will & mercy of God ).
a related link :
The Door of Repentance Is Wide Open
“Say:
‘O My servants who wronged against their souls,
do not despair of Allah’s mercy!
For Allah forgives all sins; for He is indeed Forgiving, Compassionate.’”
(Az-Zumar: 53)
“Do they not know that
it is Allah Who accepts the repentance of His servants and receives (approves) their charity,
and that Allah is the Relenting, the Compassionate?”
(At-Tawbah: 104)
Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said,
“Allah accepts the repentance of His servant so long as death has not reached his collar bone.”
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543086
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somehow got submitted twice so deleted this one lol
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**Hello,
*Forgiveness is a beautiful thing in Islam. *
A murderer has three rights on him. That of Allah, that of the murdered person, and those of his or her immediate kin.
As for Allah’s right it cannot be requited but with true repentance.
The right of the immediate kin can be requited by the murderer by handing himself over to them in order that they either: a) turn him over to the authorities for execution; b) accept monetary compensation from him; or c) forgive him.
The right of the person himself who was murdered cannot be compensated for in this world. Some scholars are of the opinion - and this seems to be the preferable opinion - that if the murderer is true in his repentance, Allah will clear him of his sin and compensate on his behalf by satisfying the person murdered on the Day of Judgment.
“When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over my wrath.”
It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, an-Nasa’i and Ibn Majah).
On the authority of son of Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both), from the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), among the sayings he related from his Lord (glorified and exalted be He) is that He said:
“Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.”
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
This is one of my favorite (below)
On the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace be upon him) is that among the sayings he relates from his Lord (may He be glorified) is that He said:
“O My servants, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another. O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you, O My servants, all of you are hungry except for those I have fed, so seek food of Me and I shall feed you. O My servants, all of you are naked except for those I have clothed, so seek clothing of Me and I shall clothe you. O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and will not attain benefitting Me so as to benefit Me. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more that a needle decreases the sea if put into it. O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him finds good praise Allah and let him who finds other that blame no one but himself.”
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah).
Allah forgives like the foam of the sea. It is a beautiful thing to have His repentance. But to take Him for granted and say that He has forgiven me is taking our Creator for granted. We are to be humble servants of God. Pride can be a downfall and arrogance a certainty of Hellfire.
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Hello Matt and good mornin,
*Forgiveness is a beautiful thing in Islam. *
A murderer has three rights on him. That of Allah, that of the murdered person, and those of his or her immediate kin.
As for Allah’s right it cannot be requited but with true repentance.
The right of the immediate kin can be requited by the murderer by handing himself over to them in order that they either: a) turn him over to the authorities for execution; b) accept monetary compensation from him; or c) forgive him.
The right of the person himself who was murdered cannot be compensated for in this world. Some scholars are of the opinion - and this seems to be the preferable opinion - that if the murderer is true in his repentance, Allah will clear him of his sin and compensate on his behalf by satisfying the person murdered on the Day of Judgment.
“When Allah decreed the Creation He pledged Himself by writing in His book which is laid down with Him: My mercy prevails over my wrath.”
It was related by Muslim (also by al-Bukhari, an-Nasa’i and Ibn Majah).
On the authority of son of Abbas (may Allah be pleased with them both), from the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), among the sayings he related from his Lord (glorified and exalted be He) is that He said:
“Allah has written down the good deeds and the bad ones. Then He explained it [by saying that] he who has intended a good deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as from ten good deeds to seven hundred times, or many times over. But if he has intended a bad deed and has not done it, Allah writes it down with Himself as a full good deed, but if he has intended it and has done it, Allah writes it down as one bad deed.”
It was related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.
This is one of my favorite (below)
On the authority of Abu Dharr al-Ghifari (may Allah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace be upon him) is that among the sayings he relates from his Lord (may He be glorified) is that He said:
“O My servants, I have forbidden oppression for Myself and have made it forbidden amongst you, so do not oppress one another. O My servants, all of you are astray except for those I have guided, so seek guidance of Me and I shall guide you, O My servants, all of you are hungry except for those I have fed, so seek food of Me and I shall feed you. O My servants, all of you are naked except for those I have clothed, so seek clothing of Me and I shall clothe you. O My servants, you sin by night and by day, and I forgive all sins, so seek forgiveness of Me and I shall forgive you. O My servants, you will not attain harming Me so as to harm Me, and will not attain benefitting Me so as to benefit Me. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as pious as the most pious heart of any one man of you, that would not increase My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to be as wicked as the most wicked heart of any one man of you, that would not decrease My kingdom in anything. O My servants, were the first of you and the last of you, the human of you and the jinn of you to rise up in one place and make a request of Me, and were I to give everyone what he requested, that would not decrease what I have, any more that a needle decreases the sea if put into it. O My servants, it is but your deeds that I reckon up for you and then recompense you for, so let him finds good praise Allah and let him who finds other that blame no one but himself.”
It was related by Muslim (also by at-Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah).
Allah forgives like the foam of the sea. It is a beautiful thing to have His repentance. But to take Him for granted and say that He has forgiven me is taking our Creator for granted. We are to be humble servants of God. Pride can be a downfall and arrogance a certainty of Hellfire.
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Salaam/peace
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