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Whats the use of the black rock in Mecca? You are already making waves in the world of paganism. They consider Islam as part of its pact.
They cannot be bothered about your monotheist mambo-jumbo. All they are interested in are the similarities of your religion and theirs. Some Muslim imams practice shamanism as well in many parts of SEA. Calling themselves keepers of nature, of jinns and what-nots. Certainly not monotheist.Have you seen Muslim Indonesian and Malay-Muslim movies? Sheesh. What are they now? Not Muslims again? Sheesh!
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I have been reading some good articles about islam. This one is ‘The Centrality of Jihad in Islam’,
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CEFECC23-C7F3-451D-B9C4-AF07A0E41DE2
Basically these few sentences really stuck out since that is what so many muslims on this site are doing - **“Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world… If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.” World peace, according to Islamic teaching, “is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.”
Moreover, continues Tibi, when Muslims disseminate Islam through violent means, that is not war (harb), as that word only describes the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are acts of “opening” the world to Islam. “[T]hose who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.”
In other words, simply by the act of existing, the entire non-Islamic world is equated with war. That is why Muslims call it the Dar al-Harb, the Realm of War. Yet when Muslims wage jihad, they are doing it to bring about the peace of universal Islam. So whatever Muslims do, is by definition peace, and whatever infidels do, is by definition war. This explains, by the way, why “moderate” Muslims almost never admit that Muslim terrorists are terrorists. It is because jihad itself is not war, but a way of pursuing peace. By such manipulations of language and such massive double standards, Islam reveals itself as a closed system that precludes any critical thought about itself, as well as any fair and honest dealings with non-Muslims.
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For all non-muslims, the article also goes into the exucses we hear that muslims use in their battles against us. I know that the muslims say they don’t read the articles which is fine with me. I just hope that everyone has the same basic knowledge of islam so they know what they are dealing with!
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=CEFECC23-C7F3-451D-B9C4-AF07A0E41DE2
Basically these few sentences really stuck out since that is what so many muslims on this site are doing - **“Muslims are religiously obliged to disseminate the Islamic faith throughout the world… If non-Muslims submit to conversion or subjugation, this call can be pursued peacefully. If they do not, Muslims are obliged to wage war against them.” World peace, according to Islamic teaching, “is reached only with the conversion or submission of all mankind to Islam.”
Moreover, continues Tibi, when Muslims disseminate Islam through violent means, that is not war (harb), as that word only describes the use of force by non-Muslims. Islamic wars are acts of “opening” the world to Islam. “[T]hose who resist Islam cause wars and are responsible for them.”
In other words, simply by the act of existing, the entire non-Islamic world is equated with war. That is why Muslims call it the Dar al-Harb, the Realm of War. Yet when Muslims wage jihad, they are doing it to bring about the peace of universal Islam. So whatever Muslims do, is by definition peace, and whatever infidels do, is by definition war. This explains, by the way, why “moderate” Muslims almost never admit that Muslim terrorists are terrorists. It is because jihad itself is not war, but a way of pursuing peace. By such manipulations of language and such massive double standards, Islam reveals itself as a closed system that precludes any critical thought about itself, as well as any fair and honest dealings with non-Muslims.
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For all non-muslims, the article also goes into the exucses we hear that muslims use in their battles against us. I know that the muslims say they don’t read the articles which is fine with me. I just hope that everyone has the same basic knowledge of islam so they know what they are dealing with!
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I would also like to post this since I know that many have been bashed if they bring out the truth about islam. One of my heroins is Brigette Gabriel and she has been attacked also. And she only uses the koran, hadiths and the facts she gathers from news sources in her assertions about islam.
frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63E81FA2-BB8A-466C-9BC4-7CF20C272431
I totally agree with her on this next quote from the article. I really wish it were not so too - read the quote to find out what we wish was not so:
**“Hate speech” verses “free speech” is easy to define. All over the United States, so-called “progressive” individuals and groups berate the USA and Israel and in the process tell outrageous lies about both countries. That’s called “free speech.” When others, including me, tell the truth about the threat of radical Islam, that’s labeled “hate speech” by many of these “progressives.”
But what is “hate speech” and what is “Islamophobia”? When I describe the threat presented by radical Islam, I quote chapter and verse from the Koran and authoritative classical Islamic sources. When I describe the worldwide campaign of Islamist hate indoctrination against the West, and the mind-numbing mass violence committed and glorified by radical Islamists, I am relaying facts that have been published by print and electronic media outlets all over the world. Do some of the facts about Islamist supremism manifest “hatefulness?” Certainly.
However, it’s not my fault that the truth about Islamist supremacist teachings and edicts is that they promote hate. I wish they didn’t. … The Koran explicitly tells Muslims to hate (terrorize, subdue, oppress, and slaughter) the unbeliever until Islam is supreme in the world: “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.’” (Koran 8:12)
The Koran explicitly preaches that Christians and Jews are descended from monkeys and apes. In the more than 13 centuries since the emergence of Islam, this strict Islamic dogma has never been abrogated, amended or ameliorated. It is the Koran that is guilty of “hate speech.” I merely am the messenger exposing this hate.
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frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=63E81FA2-BB8A-466C-9BC4-7CF20C272431
I totally agree with her on this next quote from the article. I really wish it were not so too - read the quote to find out what we wish was not so:
**“Hate speech” verses “free speech” is easy to define. All over the United States, so-called “progressive” individuals and groups berate the USA and Israel and in the process tell outrageous lies about both countries. That’s called “free speech.” When others, including me, tell the truth about the threat of radical Islam, that’s labeled “hate speech” by many of these “progressives.”
But what is “hate speech” and what is “Islamophobia”? When I describe the threat presented by radical Islam, I quote chapter and verse from the Koran and authoritative classical Islamic sources. When I describe the worldwide campaign of Islamist hate indoctrination against the West, and the mind-numbing mass violence committed and glorified by radical Islamists, I am relaying facts that have been published by print and electronic media outlets all over the world. Do some of the facts about Islamist supremism manifest “hatefulness?” Certainly.
However, it’s not my fault that the truth about Islamist supremacist teachings and edicts is that they promote hate. I wish they didn’t. … The Koran explicitly tells Muslims to hate (terrorize, subdue, oppress, and slaughter) the unbeliever until Islam is supreme in the world: “Your Lord inspired the angels with the message: ‘I am with you. Give firmness to the Believers. I will terrorize the unbelievers. Therefore smite them on their necks and every joint and incapacitate them. Strike off their heads and cut off each of their fingers and toes.’” (Koran 8:12)
The Koran explicitly preaches that Christians and Jews are descended from monkeys and apes. In the more than 13 centuries since the emergence of Islam, this strict Islamic dogma has never been abrogated, amended or ameliorated. It is the Koran that is guilty of “hate speech.” I merely am the messenger exposing this hate.
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Hey, what do you know, neither do we.
But you should know that; you’ve clearly spent a little time here. Are you purposefully distorting Christian doctrine so that it looks bad, or is what you’ve been taught?In logic, this is called a strawman argument. You might want to look that up!
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You know Quran does not say that Christians and Jews are descended from monkeys and apes. Don’t u ? Give me your honest ans.
Fear God & pl. don’t spread lies intentionally.
You know Quran does not say that Christians and Jews are descended from monkeys and apes. Don’t u ? Give me your honest ans.
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They think it’s not even fair for us to condemn them as Jesus (p) forgave a sinner lady & told people not to punish her.
So , it looks like — if not all , many Christians beleive they won’t be accountable on the last day for what they did here.
Death of Jesus (p) , forgiveness of Jesus (p) gave them tickets to heaven – so no fear .
2/3 gay Christians told me online that they don’t believe Jesus (p) will punish them .
They think it’s not even fair for us to condemn them as Jesus (p) forgave a sinner lady & told people not to punish her.
So , it looks like — if not all , many Christians beleive they won’t be accountable on the last day for what they did here.
Death of Jesus (p) , forgiveness of Jesus (p) gave them tickets to heaven – so no fear .
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That’s hardly a scientific poll - I hope you can appreciate that. I have two friends who are Muslim. One is devout, the other isn’t as much (she drinks, smokes, etc). Would it be fair for me to say that 1/2 of Muslims think drinking alcohol is fine, so that must be a Muslim belief? Nonsense.
We don’t condemn the sinner - we condemn the sin. But in either case, they’re wrong.
Luckily, Christianity is not a democracy. We have unalienable truths, passed down for 2000 years, that say the opposite of what you’ve been told. To make a long story short, don’t put too much faith in what you read on the internet. Do some actual research if you hope to use our beliefs in a debate. You won’t win even if you do, but it might help us take you more seriously.
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So the rest of it is ok - but you worry about apes and monkeys?!
yes, YOUR koran from mohammed teaches that. But, more importantly there is a lot of proof that even the muslims don’t know their own koran (gee, are we surprised there!?!
). The disturbing part is that they don’t care and it is taught to too many muslim children. See some of the videos below for proof.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Area=sr&ID=SR01102
There are so many references to the 'apes and monkeys by muslims in that article you will have to read it. but, here are the references in the koran:
The divine punishment of Jews is mentioned in three Koranic verses: “… They are those whom Allah has cast aside and on whom His wrath has fallen and of whom He has made some as apes and swine…” (5:60); “…You have surely known the end of those from amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath, in consequence of which we condemned them: Be ye like apes, despised” (2:65);[13] and “when, instead of amending, they became more persistent in the pursuit of that which they were forbidden, we condemned them: Be ye as apes, despised” (7:166).[14]
It seems to be popular in the muslim world.
jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/memrireport.html
Here are various clerics talking about it:
youtube.com/watch?v=da77TBGm6ak
youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo
More indoctrination of children - this one has a lot about the indoctrination of children and the actual training of the children as young as 5-6 in war type of tactics:
youtube.com/watch?v=xF4A8Nz-QBU
This one is about what is taught in their schools: youtube.com/watch?v=_hBXHtQDxOo
Canadian clerics and their preaching:
jihadwatch.org/archives/003674.php
(and we found the same junk in some mosques here in the USA - in Virginia and other places as well)
hate speech at UCIrvine:
jihadwatch.org/archives/004938.php
hate speech at Columbia:
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/004006.php
muslims behaving poorly over facts of mohammed:
jihadwatch.org/archives/020861.php
The list of proof of hate speech and ‘apes and pigs’ by muslims is unlimited. I could go on all night with proof.
And the thing is that the denials come when muslims are confronted, but they turn around and do it anyway. Too many are not used to the deceptive part of islam.
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YUSUFALI: Say: “Shall I point out to you something much worse than this, (as judged) by the treatment it received from Allah? those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom some He transformed into apes and swine, those who worshipped evil;- these are (many times) worse in rank, and far more astray from the even path!”
PICKTHAL: Shall I tell thee of a worse (case) than theirs for retribution with Allah? (Worse is the case of him) whom Allah hath cursed, him on whom His wrath hath fallen and of whose sort Allah hath turned some to apes and swine, and who serveth idols. Such are in worse plight and further astray from the plain road.
SHAKIR: Say: Shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribution from Allah? (Worse is he) whom Allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom He made apes and swine, and he who served the Shaitan; these are worse in place and more erring from the straight path.
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YUSUFALI: When in their insolence they transgressed (all) prohibitions, We said to them: “Be ye apes, despised and rejected.”
PICKTHAL: So when they took pride in that which they had been forbidden, We said unto them: Be ye apes despised and loathed!
SHAKIR: Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had been forbidden, We said to them: Be (as) apes, despised and hated.
Now - it isn’t up to any muslim to tell me what I transgress or what I do not transgress. And this sort of name calling seems to be very common with a lot of clerics.
Ironic that you don’t deny the war, hate speech, the mass murders, and other despicable parts, etc - all you worry about is the apes and pigs part.
I think that if I ever got threatened with a lawsuit by any muslims over what I know of their ‘religion’ all I would do for my defense is bring in a koran to the courtroom. Maybe print off some hadiths - and put on film some of the videos that I have saved to my personal computer - and also on DVD to prove that I don’t lie.
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They are YOUR koran, and YOUR hadiths and the history of islam and mohammed. Sorry, but the lies and deception come from the muslims.
I think you should take your own advice and yes, fear God. Is God really allah - mohammed’s alter ego? I say ‘NO’.
God gave us the 10 commandments and mohammed breaks almost all of them. that is why he had to redefine sin for you all. Is that what you really think that God wants is eternal war? I don’t write ‘allah’ on purpose because I don’t believe in pagan moon gods.
islam is the one that divides the world into two realms - dar al harb - which is our lands. And you know very well that IF sharia law becomes a fact - you and other muslim women do NOT have the same rights that our laws give to you. There is nothing holy or superior about sharia law. In fact, it is a rather base set of laws. When I say ‘base’ I mean it only worries about your bodily functions and not your soul, not your minds nor any higher goals except for a heaven that is a sexual orgy raping virgins for eternity. What is in that for a muslim woman? Not too much that I can figure out. I certainly don’t want it for any of the females in my family - or ANYONE!
It doesn’t go into any higher form of love either. A muslim heaven is only the love of a man’s sexual lusts that are satisfied. And I can’t even imagine that would be a neat thing for eternity?!?!
Seems like a few hundred years of that and BOOORIIING!
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Hello,
Now, wait a minute for the 10 commandments…Didn’t Jesus or was it Paul that did away with them??? I mean, you sin and sin and do whatever you wish, and still be forgiven…sounds pretty broken to me.
Fear God, you don’t think that the one in charge of Heaven and Hell needs to be feared? You think you are such a godly person that you deserve to go to Heaven? Such pride is what made Satan have his downfall.
***Islam is a prevention as well as a cure. *** The laws of man are man made laws. The Shari’ah is God’s Laws and ordainments. There is a big difference. Man does away with God and you get chaos in the judiciary and economical stations, you get injustices, unfairness, and lies. Man cannot be trusted to make their laws stick. God, on the other hand, sent His guidance to be followed. It isn’t just for lusts, morals, it is a message that entirely surrounds life. This is true guidance…a message for everything. I would much prefer God’s laws over man’s. Then I know justice can prevail.
Actually, you laugh now about Paradise, just wait til you meet your maker. In the Quran it says both female and male believers. So you cannot try to intimidate women either if that is your goal.
Hellfire is a lot “hotter” and that is where you are heading if you deny the last message of God.
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Yes, and if you have an inkling of understanding~especially when details from Muslims themselves are explaining, you would stop all this accusing and listen with sincerity. But you don’t. You criticize, bash and throw things out there that make it a must for Muslims to HAVE to defend and when we don’t, you lie and put words in our mouths. It is not correct.
Now, wait a minute for the 10 commandments…Didn’t Jesus or was it Paul that did away with them??? I mean, you sin and sin and do whatever you wish, and still be forgiven…sounds pretty broken to me.
Fear God, you don’t think that the one in charge of Heaven and Hell needs to be feared? You think you are such a godly person that you deserve to go to Heaven? Such pride is what made Satan have his downfall.
***Islam is a prevention as well as a cure. *** The laws of man are man made laws. The Shari’ah is God’s Laws and ordainments. There is a big difference. Man does away with God and you get chaos in the judiciary and economical stations, you get injustices, unfairness, and lies. Man cannot be trusted to make their laws stick. God, on the other hand, sent His guidance to be followed. It isn’t just for lusts, morals, it is a message that entirely surrounds life. This is true guidance…a message for everything. I would much prefer God’s laws over man’s. Then I know justice can prevail.
Actually, you laugh now about Paradise, just wait til you meet your maker. In the Quran it says both female and male believers. So you cannot try to intimidate women either if that is your goal.
Hellfire is a lot “hotter” and that is where you are heading if you deny the last message of God.
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Oh, but I do understand your islam and that is what bothers you and the others. You don’t like it when we know your koran, your allah and your mohammed. I don’t bash - I have never bashed, but I cannot say the same for you when you tell me I am going to hades just because I know your islam.
I know that muslims deceive us - because that is mohammed told them to do. I know that muslims divide this world up into dar al harb and dar al islam and when in dar al harb (the realm of war which is our infidel lands) that islam is all tied up with the idea of war with the non-muslims until you make islam the dominate ‘religion’ and sharia laws the laws of the land.
And I also know that ‘moderate’ muslims won’t admit to a lot of this because they don’t look at their terrorists as terrorists.
You don’t have a clue what Jesus did or didn’t do, or even what Paul did or didn’t do. Jesus said, ‘Love God, love your neighbor as yourself’. In islam there is no love except for the sexual gratification of the males. Heaven is a big orgy. They can marry children, marry up to 4 wives and dump them whenever they want and marry some more, and they can enslave children and have sex with them too.
No, we just don’t sin and do what we want and if we do, Catholics go to a priest to confess our sins. It is the sacrament of Confession. But, mohammed made up his own sins because he broke most of the 10 commandments and he certainly didn’t love his neighbors or himself. He looted them, he lied to them, he had them assinated, he slaughtered them, and he gathered up women and slaves for his carnal lusts. Greed, murder, lust, etc - those are just a few of the 7 deadly sins - all done by mohammed and so he redefined sin to just make sure that it didn’t include any care in the world about stealing, lying, killing, etc.
I never said God didn’t need to be feared, but I also said God is also love or else He wouldn’t have created us. But, muslims have put themselves up as judge, jury and executioners just because mohammed said so. To kill his creation and/or intimidate and bully them into worshiping a moon god. He took his pagan rites and ceremonies, and his pagan god and told you guys to adore it and then whenever mohammed felt like getting another woman, or slave, or stealing, or lying, or having someone assinated - he just said ‘allah told him to do it’.
The last message of God is NOT mohammed or anything that he did or said. In fact, it is a person we would rather NOT be.
You don’t have to defend the indefensible. Just think about what and who you follow and figure out that it doesn’t make sense. God gave you a brain, logic and sense - use them. We didn’t rewrite the Bible - there were too many scrolls that the Bible is based on, there were too many different translated Bibles by the time mohammed came around.
But, what is the truth is that mohammed couldn’t read and didn’t know the Bible except for some stories he heard and he messed those stories up. And the koran and hadiths are based on people’s memories and word of mouth - because the original people around mohammed had died. It was a couple of centuries later that the koran and hadiths were written.
I find it ironic that your arrogance in telling me what I am going to do or how I should behave when I am not the one who is lying. And as for muslims explaining to me what they want us to believe while the truth is the opposite - I find interesting. I only use YOUR koran and YOUR hadiths and YOUR history of islam.
So much energy is put into telling us nothing but fairy tales while their own seem to be misunderstanding islam. Why don’t you guys put your energy into teaching the misunderstanders of islam? You know those guys you don’t want to call terrorists - people like hamas, the Palestinians, the Hezbollah, CAIR, the MSA, Al Qaeda, the Taliban, the muslim brotherhood, the saudi wahabbis, etc. All misunderstanders of islam according to the muslims on these threads.
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Sugar coated Truth is far better than any poison coated truth. I hope you appreciate it and swallow it quickly / easily.
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Well, for one - sharia laws are for a people who can’t seem to do anything for themselves.
Here are some examples of sharia in this article for others:
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=8AD3D2F1-FD2C-4E78-B233-2F97FCF97B94
Now, I have a question since muslims can’t go to the potty on their own. Do you guys have ‘potty police’? Do you get fined if you get caught going to the potty incorrectly? What is the types of fines do you get? Beating? do you have to say prayers? Or do you have to pay money?
Or how about the sex part. Do you have ‘sex police’ that monitor that you do it correctly? What sort of fines do you get if you do it wrong?
As for our laws being superior over sharia laws. Yeah, they certainly are - and they are much more equal. They are not perfect - but after taking a look at sharia law - it is the laws that where they are established have the worst human rights abuses.
As for the over concern of a god with your potty behavior - well, I don’t want to comment anymore on that!
There are other major problems with sharia laws that show me that there is nothing superior about them and a god didn’t make them up. I would say that sharia law confirms my opinion that allah is nothing but mohammed’s alter ego.
God made the 10 commandments and that, to me, are the greatest laws.
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But do you follow those Ten commandments? We Muslims have all those ten Commandments in the Quran and even better. In the Quran there are about 600 Commands.
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