Ask about Islam

[R_not]

Salaam/peace

Q. Was Islam Spread by the Sword?

–Dr. Zakir Naik

…Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims.

There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the ‘adhaan’, that is the Muslims’ call for prayers.

…Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. … there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword, there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

…The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years… Today more than 80% of the population of India consists of non-Muslims.

All these non-Muslim Indians are testimony today that Islam was not spread by the sword, nor was any force used for conversion to Islam.

Indonesia and Malaysia
Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, “Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia?”

…Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, “Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?”

… “Let there be no compulsion in religion:

Truth stands out clear from error”

[Al-Qur’an 2:256]

islamicvoice.com/august

They still use the sword - usually dull ones - to behead to this very day.

yes, there is compulsion in religion in islam since they kidnap and force conversions of many Indian girls - basically it is slavery and rape.

Forced conversions (1)

Forced conversions (2)

Basically muslim woman doesn’t even know the history of islam. Not only was the sword used, but also the first napalm was used by muslims, and they would also use catapults and other means to spread islam by force.

these are lengthly articles (way too much for the muslims to read since they don’t like reading about their own history), but it tells of not only what they used in their battles other than the sword:

Fjordman: islam, the Greeks and the Scientific Revolution, Part 1
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018190.php
Part2
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018278.php
Part3
jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/018368.php

And who can forget the sword presented to the Pope?! I personally would have forgotten to take it with me when I left, but I don’t know what the Pope did with his sword.

sword

The reason they didn’t kill all of the population was due to their subjugating people - dhimmi to have them to what muslims didn’t want to do and to pay them taxes. Also, it was a good place to kidnap their children and enslave them, marry them, kill them.

As muslims demanded land from Inda - as they do also with kashmir and the Philippines (and let us not forget Jerusalem) - they have declared another jihad againat India and the Indian children are being kidnapped and forced to convert (slavery and rape).

and as for Africa - I guess going into a land and slaughtering the non-muslim inhabitants doesn’t count in muslim woman’s mind.

They invaded Europe and were driven out. They also enslaved millions of whites from Europe and the British Isles. In fact, whole towns would be wiped out when the jihadists (barbary pirates) would come through and invade. (book: ‘White Gold’)

All muslim history just seems to be rewritten when a muslim tells it. It is not only violent, it is violent - torture - terror - kidnappings - enslavement - death - subjugation. Basically, anything is used/done to spread islam - and now we are really faced with the deception in order to spread islam.

 

[dzheremi]

The Martyrs of Cordoba are an interesting counterpoint to the generally tolerant reign of the Berbers in Spain. It is a tolerance that the Berbers themselves also paid for later when the reign of al-Hakam II ended and ushered in renewed persecution at the hands of far more fundamentalist leaders. Jews and Christians were also persecuted in this time, as in December of 1066 when the Jews were expelled from Grenada and great pogroms began against those who dared to remain.

 

[R_not]

As we see to this day - muslim armies are basically muslims on a jihad. They do not come from only one country - they come from wherever and form units and work together. As we saw the 9/11 hijackers - most were saudis, but there were a few that were not. As we see in Iraq - many are from saudi arabia, but we also see they are also from Iran, Pakistan, and elsewhere. We see this in Lebanon and the Gaza too.

jihadists can be comprised of European and even American muslims (there will be more Johnnie Walkers) and from Pakistan, Jordan, Iran, saudi arabia, yemen, Egypt, etc.

muslim woman is misleading people. At times there were caliphates that would lead muslims also.

In islam since there are the seeds of violence for any one muslim to carry out the violent jihad, they don’t need an army. As bin Laden even knows and that is why people like him send out messages for individuals to carry out their own jihads. You could call them ‘movements’.

bin laden calling for individuals to carry out jihad - tape found

 

[R_not]

The Martyrs of Cordoba are an interesting counterpoint to the generally tolerant reign of the Berbers in Spain. It is a tolerance that the Berbers themselves also paid for later when the reign of al-Hakam II ended and ushered in renewed persecution at the hands of far more fundamentalist leaders. Jews and Christians were also persecuted in this time, as in December of 1066 when the Jews were expelled from Grenada and great pogroms began against those who dared to remain.

Thanks for the info. I think that what the problem is that muslims don’t look at killing, torturing, enslaving, forcing conversion onto non-muslims as what we call it. They think it is a stroll in the park! Just as long as their victims don’t strike back then all is ok - or else, if the populations do strike back, then it is the muslims who are the victims. See how their logic works?!

 

[R_not]

Salaam/peace

Honor Killing from an Islamic Perspective

…In the Glorious Qur’an, Allah, Most High, says, “Whoso slayeth a believer of set purpose, his reward is Hell for ever.

Allah is wroth against him and He hath cursed him and prepared for him an awful doom.” (An-Nisa’: 93)

…“There is no such concept in Islam that is called “honor killing”. Islam holds every soul in high esteem and does not allow any transgression upon it.

It does not allow people to take the law in their own hands and administer justice, because doing so will be leading to chaos and lawlessness. Therefore, based on this, Islam does not permit such killings.

…In Islam, there is no place for unjustifiable killing. Even in case of capital punishment, only the government can apply the law through the judicial procedures.

No one has the authority to execute the law other than the officers who are in charge.

Honor killing could be a wrong cultural tradition. It is unjust and inhumane action. The murderer of that type deserves punishment.”

Ironic since all muslim countries that have sharia laws do not stop them, or even care too much about the perpetrators of such crimes. In fact, the muslims that migrate to our Western lands also bring it with them. This phenomenon is in Pakistan (which used to be India - full of Hindus), Jordan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Africa, Iraq, Iran, etc.

They are always done with the males in the family spouting out ‘allah’. This article shows that it is even taught in saudi arabia in school texts.

honor killings (1)

honor killings - Syria - not against the law

list of articles about honor killings around this globe

this is the dirty little secret - they claim it isn’t about islam, but they claim that sharia law is about islam and it doesn’t stop honor killings.

 

[Podo2005]

http://www.islamicity.com/graphics/BLRR.gif

With the name of ALLAH ( God Almighty)
-The Bestower Of Unlimited Mercy, The Continously Merciful

may peace & blessings of God be upon you

&&&&

Do you have any question about Islam , Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him ) or holy Quran ?

Pl. ask without using any nasty words .

InshaAllah ( God Willing ) , Muslims participants will try to answer

Peace be with you also Muslim Woman,
My question is why do muslim women have to cover their heads when they go into public?

God Bless
Zachary

 

[R_not]

I. Classifications in islam. ‘The Legacy of Jihad’, pp301.

According to islam the world is divided into two categories - the world of muslims (dar al islam) and the world of foes, the harbis (dar al harb). Some call dar al harb the world of war. Basically we see this sort of thinking in communism also - and the ‘if you are not with us then you are against us’ philosophy.

There is also a temporary division - dar al 'ahd - the world of allies, but it is only temporary (basically their ‘useful idiots’) and they will use these allies until they don’t need them anymore and then do to them what they do to the others.

muslims are under obligation (fard) until all non-muslims have accepted either islam or subjugation (dhimmis). And if the dhimmi don’t pay their jizyah any imam can break that truce.

 

[R_not]

II. sharia

Some excerpts from sharia law - the laws they want to replace our Consitution with. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world. What they will do is practice it in their communities and quite often thumb their noses at our laws, such as practicing polygamy, ‘honor killings’, wife beatings, etc. Then they will work with governments, such as we see what is happening in the UK now, to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia. This is one reason why they start clumping together in areas. Another is that it is easier to hide jihadists, and other things.

Here is a writeup on some of the more ridiculous laws, but it also covers some other items.
frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=8AD3D2F1-FD2C-4E78-B233-2F97FCF97B94

Here are some laws that are not in the above article (Legacy of Jihad, pp205-212)

167: Some infidels are permitted to retain the priviledge of practicing their religion, in return for a tribute; they are the Jews, the Christians and those whose revealed scripture is of doubtful authenticity, that is, the guebres. Any infidel other than those who profess one ofthe three above-mentioned religions must be compelled to embrace islam. (my comment: or die because there is no other option, so the atheists, Hindus, Buddhists fall into this category - they have no other option other than to die or convert)

181: An infidel minor, upon attaining maturity, must be compelled to embrace islam or else be subjected to the tribute; if he refuses he is to be reckoned as an enemy and treated as such.

Peace Treaties in islam
These show that in islam it is the imams/clerics who negotiate peace treaties. Take note that the blur between politics, religion and military - which should show us that the imams are the officers in their military. When they say they do not have a standing military - this is very misleading. Especially when we have the likes of Bin Laden saying that individuals should wage jihad in our lands. take note why no peace treaty works with Israel. It goes the same for any peace treaty with muslims.

215: This term is understood to mean a treaty concluded with the enemy, having as it purpose a temporary suspension of hostilities during a set period of time. (my comment: take note the word ‘temporary’)

216: The imam is authorized to negotiate the suspension of hostilities with a view to the general interest for example, in the case where the number of muslim soldiers is too weak to be able to continue the war advantageously; when it is necessary to wait for reinforcements, or when there is the hope that, thanks to a suspension of hostilities, the infidels will convert voluntaritly to islam.

217: Except for the cases mentioned in the preceeding article, and when the muslim army is strong enough in number to pursue the war, it is not permitted to declare a truce.

218: A truce can be declared for a period of four months, but only once in any given year.

219: The armistice can be condluded only for a set period of time, unless the imam has reserved for himself, by the treaty, the right to revoke it whenever he wants.

220: When the treaty contains a few clauses contrary to the precepts of islam, for instance… or the return of women captives or refugees, one is not obliged to observe them.

222: The infidel women captvie or refugee who has embraced islam must not be returned, even if she apostatizes,… (my comment: this is why they are not returning children they kidnap and force to convert and marry in other lands, such as India)

 

[morning_star777]

Salaam/peace

Q. Was Islam Spread by the Sword?

–Dr. Zakir Naik

…Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims.

There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the ‘adhaan’, that is the Muslims’ call for prayers.

…Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. … there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword, there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.

…The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years… Today more than 80% of the population of India consists of non-Muslims.

Dear muslim woman,your(muslim’s) every logic is very poor,trust me!If Islam did not spread by sword then how can muslims ruled spain 800 years? Did the Spanish people invited muslims like this way?**We have no ruler,so dear muslims,we are begging to you,come and rule us!**I do not think so.muslims captured Spain with sword and ruled 800 years,so you can not say even a word for the barbarian invasion of muslims in spain.and same thing happened in india.A muslim invader muhammad ghori attacked India in the year of 1191;the 1st battle of tarain but he was defeated by native kings.and the same man invaded again in the year of 1192;the 2nd battle of tarain and then he captured some western part of india.And before him A butcher, Sultan Mahmud invaded india 17 times and this looter destroyed the Somnath temple and captured all gold.And according to your claim both barbarian invader invaded india not with sword but with garland,correct?And before them what about the invasion of muhammad bin kasim?same theory?invaded by garland,not with sword?.And now think about the 1st battle of panipat,Babur(the founder of mughal empire) invaded another muslim emperor named Ibrahim Lodi.But nothing had been changed by him,because Babur was also muslim so actually he was the successor of his muslim predecessor.And only 2 muslim emperors were good and one is Sher Shah and later Akber the great.Ya honestly speaking,though Sher shah was a bigot muslim but he was not a bad ruler and Akber(3rd mughal emperor) was really very good man.and except akbar even sher shah was on the side of muslims though he(Sher Shah) was not terrible to other people.and akber is the only muslim emperor who never made any difference between muslims and non muslims.He stopped the Jizyah tax and did many good things to non muslims and thats why most of muslim historians portrayed him as a villain in islamic history!!and the horrible 6th emperor aworangzeb( Alamgir)
was so cruel to non muslims.Even he forced non muslims to pay jizyah tax again what was banned by his ancestor Akber,and this Aowrangzeb is considered to be a pure muslim emperor!!.Ya I also agree because a pure muslim must be terrible to non muslims and it is the real peace of islam!!So how can you claim that islam invaded non muslim without sword?

 

[R_not]

Dear muslim woman,your(muslim’s) every logic is very poor,trust me!If Islam did not spread by sword then how can muslims ruled spain 800 years? Did the Spanish people invited muslims like this way?**We have no ruler,so dear muslims,we are begging to you,come and rule us!**I do not think so.muslims captured Spain with sword and ruled 800 years,… cont’d

great post, morningstar!

I was thinking the same thing - and have read in several books that there was more than one jihad against India also. The muslims destroyed an advanced civilization, its art and took advantage of them to the grossest sense of the word!

There were three major jihads against India. And they declared another one late last year!

And as for the muslims in Spain - they wiped out whole towns! They did the same in some Mediterranian islands (Cypress), and other parts of Europe and then were kicked out of Spain and moved to Africa where they just continued their blood sports against humanity. And this was before the barbary pirates and their wiping out towns and enslaving peoples.

When I read posts like that from muslim woman, and quite often from sister amy, I just shake my head and cannot believe what they spout thinking that any rational human being would buy it!

 

[morning_star777]

great post, morningstar!

I was thinking the same thing - and have read in several books that there was more than one jihad against India also. The muslims destroyed an advanced civilization, its art and took advantage of them to the grossest sense of the word!

There were three major jihads against India. And they declared another one late last year!

And as for the muslims in Spain - they wiped out whole towns! They did the same in some Mediterranian islands (Cypress), and other parts of Europe and then were kicked out of Spain and moved to Africa where they just continued their blood sports against humanity. And this was before the barbary pirates and their wiping out towns and enslaving peoples.

When I read posts like that from muslim woman, and quite often from sister amy, I just shake my head and cannot believe what they spout thinking that any rational human being would buy it!

thank you R_not.Ya you are correct.that time muslims rulers were doing Jihad against non muslims and now muslims are doing.Extremist are doing it in violent way and so called moderates are doing in another way.And now I believe that the silent jihad is more aggresive than violent jihad.even in face book they are spreading islam and if we tried to preach our religion then?Then it is simple.They have extremists and they(extremist )will cut us.Is not a very effective policy?preach islam in peacefull way even via facebook,but we will not allow christians to preach their religion because it is false!!
And I do not know why christian govts are too much soft,why?why we christians can not say that we will not allow muslims to preach their religion if they will not allow us?There are around 2.25 billions christians in the world by statistic;but I want to know the actual numbers of cheistians,who can say if muslims will allow us to preach our religion then we will also allow them! since my childhood I am hearing the same old record and that is muslims are victim and Kafirs are killing thousands of muslims.But why I have never heard that from a muslim that terrorist are killing people every day?why muslims are trying to conceal them?Is it not the prove that most of muslims are same minded?In my moderate muslim country bangladesh,people showed their hate when USA declared war against Laden.So called moderate muslims shouted that Laden is a great muslim hero and he(laden) is the icon of muslims.now think about Extreme muslim countries!And now a group is trying to prove that Laden and others are the odd sides!where were they,when moderate muslims of my country were crying for laden and they were praying to Allah in mosque that “Oh Allah save laden,destroy USA and Israel”?then why these muslim groups were silent,who always edit their own scripture?I know I will never find any answer of my questions;so I am just waiting for the 2nd coming of Lord and if in the judgment day Lord will ask me,"where were you,when some ferocious animals were killing christians and they were trying to destroy my(Jesus’) name as Lord and God?"at least I have an answer and I will say to Lord that as a weak man I was thinking about it so my Lord, please ask most of christian peoples and politicians that why they were silently welcomed the killers?And then If Lord Jesus will ask this questions to most of christians then?they will haven’t any answer,who silently provoke them(killers) by praising an ideology.Only Lord Jesus knows everything.

 

[Analyzer]

And I do not know why christian govts are too much soft,why?

Because they are not actually Christians. They are faithless/secular in nature, ever since West came out from the slavery of her own Dark Ages/Christian fundamentalism. For them, Islam/real Muslims are not a threat at all; because it was Islam and Muslims Scientists and intellectuals’ contribution to Science/Philosophy that eventually caused Renaissance of the West. In other words Islam/Muslim were the catalyst for West’s Renaissance.

For more info:
muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

There are around 2.25 billions christians in the world by statistic;

And there about 2 BILLION Muslims in the World today, as per BBC’s Fact-File on Islam.

 

[morning_star777]

Because they are not actually Christians. They are faithless/secular in nature, ever since West came out from the slavery of her own Dark Ages/Christian fundamentalism. For them, Islam/real Muslims are not a threat at all; because it was Islam and Muslims Scientists and intellectuals’ contribution to Science/Philosophy that eventually caused Renaissance of the West. In other words Islam/Muslim were the catalyst for West’s Renaissance.

Christianity never taught fundamentalism.I just asked that why they are too much soft towards them and that does not mean that western govts have to show any ferocity to muslims.I just wanted to say that we should protest the extremist.And we want that if muslims will preach their religion to us then they also have to allow us to preach our religion in there countries.And before searching the so called odds of christianity,please try to find the odds of islamic ideology,what is full of reckless hate to non muslims.thanks

 

[dolphinlove]

And there about 2 BILLION Muslims in the World today, as per BBC’s Fact-File on Islam.

Rubbish, show us the link.

 

[Analyzer]

Rubbish, show us the link.

ISLAM FACT FILE
There are two billion Muslims world-wide.

The Qur’an is the Book of Allah that was revealed to the Prophet Muhammed over a period of 23 years.

The Qur’an consists of 114 surahs (or chapters) varying in length from 3 to 286 verses.

To properly understand the teachings of Allah, Muslims say that one should refer to the Arabic text of the Qur’an

The Qur’an is the most widely read book in the world. All Muslims memorise parts of it to recite in their prayers.

Some Muslims memorise the entire Qur’an.

bbc.co.uk/insideout/northeast/series4/yvonne_ridley_iraq.shtml

British journalist Yvonne Ridley was captured by the Talibans two years ago. Find out why Ridley has converted to Islam following her ordeal.

 

[Analyzer]

Christianity never taught fundamentalism

Islam too never taught fundamentalism that is propogated as ‘Islamic fundamentalism’ by the Western media.

 

[R_not]

Because they are not actually Christians. They are faithless/secular in nature, ever since West came out from the slavery of her own Dark Ages/Christian fundamentalism. For them, Islam/real Muslims are not a threat at all; because it was Islam and Muslims Scientists and intellectuals’ contribution to Science/Philosophy that eventually caused Renaissance of the West. In other words Islam/Muslim were the catalyst for West’s Renaissance.

For more info:
muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx

And there about 2 BILLION Muslims in the World today, as per BBC’s Fact-File on Islam.

Well, it seems more garbage about muslim achievements. Most of the achievements that came out of muslim countries were because of the dhimmi populations, or the newly converted non-muslims to islam (by force). And as the years and decades passed so did the level of achievements in those societies. Because nothing about islam helps to keep their societies informed, or free to be able to do research and think freely. Islam is the cause of civilization’s decay.

Some lengthly, but very good articles on this are from Fjordman:

believers vs unbelievers contributions

Fjordman: islam, the Greeks and the Scientific Revolution, Part 1
Part2
Part3

What we see in many muslim countries is the forced study of 8 hours of the koran on children. Nothing about arithmetic, their history (well, they have the muslim fairy tale version of history), etc. Even in saudi arabia, down to earth studies are almost unheard of - it is mostly studies in some aspect of islam that the college grads are getting. This explains why so many jihadists are saudis! And probably why they need slaves and also labor from the West, such as Aramco.

 

[R_not]

Here is a great article of Charles the Hammer saving Europe from the muslims. the muslims underestimated the Franks ferver!

Here are some quotes since the muslims don’t like to read websites that tell of their history - heck, they might learn something and start reasoning that islam has a pretty bloody trail!

a brief history lesson

"Prior to this, the Islamic conquerors, drunk with power and plunder, had, for one century been subjugating all peoples and territories standing in their western march—from Arabia to Morocco (al-Maghreb, the “furthest west”). In 711, the Muslims made their fateful crossing of the straits of Gibraltar, landing for the first time on European ground. Upon touching terra firma, the leader of the Muslims, Tariq bin Zayid, ordered all the boats used for the crossing burned, asserting “We have not come here to return. Either we conquer and establish ourselves here, or we perish.” Islam was there to stay."

More about the greed and power hungry muslim hordes:

"Writes one Arab chronicler regarding the Muslim northern advance past the Pyrenees: “Full of wrath and pride” the Muslims “went through all places like a desolating storm. Prosperity made those warriors insatiable…everything gave way to their scimitars, the robbers of lives.” Even far off English anchorite, the contemporary Bede, wrote, “A plague of Saracens wrought wretched devastation and slaughter upon Gaul.”"

Here is some of the way the muslims behaved and forced their prisoners to be cannibalists:

"The Muslim chronicler Abd al-Hakim reports that, after landing on an island off Iberia, one of Tariq’s squadrons discovered that the only inhabitants were vinedressers. “They made them prisoners. After that, they took one of the vinedressers, slaughtered him, cut him into pieces, and boiled him, while the rest of the companions looked on.” The Muslims proceeded to eat halal meat—cannibalism of course being forbidden in Islam—while letting the vinedressers believe they were eating their companion, resulting in a rumor that Muslims feast on human flesh."

We need more men like Charles, and also our own Thomas Jefferson who saved many a US Sailor from the Barbary Pirates by learning the koran - the book of battle tactics of the muslims.

 

[Analyzer]

And we want that if muslims will preach their religion to us then they also have to allow us to preach our religion in there countries.

**Muslims are not really preachng their faith (Islam) like how Christian missionaries are propagating their different brands of Chrisitianity…even going door to door such as Catholicism, Born-againism, Jehowa’s Witnesses-ism…ecc…

Non-Muslims are coming themselves to Islam.

As far Muslims countries, I don’t know what Muslim country/countries you are talking about, but if you meant by Saudi Arabia particularly, then first thing you need to keep in mind that it is a monarchy and not an ideal Caliphate required by Islam. Any monarchy is un-Islamic. So any objection towards present Saudi Arabia and it’s official system is actual towards the un-Islamic system of monarchy/kingship.

Second, all Saudi population is muslim and then (especially) in this age of information technology alongwith the excessive oil wealth, Saudis are free to go out of their country any time they want, to embrace any other faith (such as Hinduism or Buddhaism or Judaism) or even become faithless people and live there too (outside the KSA). No one is stopping them.

BTW, if Catholics are allowed to build their Churches/have missionary offices in Saudi Arabia, then do you think all the rest of *30,000 different churches/denominations/sects ***of your Christianity should not be allowed to have their places of worship /offices/missionaries too, like Mormons, JWs, SDAs??

 

[morning_star777]

Islam too never taught fundamentalism that is propogated as ‘Islamic fundamentalism’ by the Western media.

If islam too never taught fundamentalism,violence or killing then what about the verses of Quran that clearly ordered muslims,“kill them wherever they found”?or these hadiths of bukhari taught how to kill apostates? I saw many times that the logic of muslims are too much contradictory like their scriptures!!