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I would like to ask Analyzer why he changed his user name?
**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.If islam too never taught fundamentalism,violence or killing then what about the verses of Quran that clearly ordered muslims,“kill them wherever they found”?or these hadiths of bukhari taught how to kill apostates? I saw many times that the logic of muslims are too much contradictory like their scriptures!!
so what?! Who cares how many different sects of Christianity there are! They don’t want you dead, they won’t subjugate you, or enslave you like you do to them!**Muslims are not really preachng their faith (Islam) like how Christian missionaries are propagating their different brands of Chrisitianity…even going door to door such as Catholicism, Born-againism, Jehowa’s Witnesses-ism…ecc…
Non-Muslims are coming themselves to Islam.
As far Muslims countries, I don’t know what Muslim country/countries you are talking about, but if you meant by Saudi Arabia particularly, then first thing you need to keep in mind that it is a monarchy and not an ideal Caliphate required by Islam. Any monarchy is un-Islamic. So any objection towards present Saudi Arabia and it’s official system is actual towards the un-Islamic system of monarchy/kingship.
Second, all Saudi population is muslim and then (especially) in this age of information technology alongwith the excessive oil wealth, Saudis are free to go out of their country any time they want, to embrace any other faith (such as Hinduism or Buddhaism or Judaism) or even become faithless people and live there too (outside the KSA). No one is stopping them.
BTW, if Catholics are allowed to build their Churches/have missionary offices in Saudi Arabia, then do you think all the rest of *30,000 different churches/denominations/sects ***of your Christianity should not be allowed to have their places of worship /offices/missionaries too, like Mormons, JWs, SDAs??
I will answer your one comments only because many times i answered your all comments to different posters,so I do not want to repeat.And my answer is I am not a victim of anti islamic propaganda,because there are no such thing in my country,Ya I am also a victim but a victim of islamic child abuse.And anti islamic propaganda?no one can even write a word against islam here,but it is a moderate muslim country!!**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.
You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.
Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?
The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).**
While the same lame excuses - bringing up centuries old things that we do not practice anymore, but muslims do indeed practice to this very day - torture, slaughter, enslavement, and pediphilia.**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.
You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.
Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?
The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).**
In that link, there is a seperate column by the BBC with a header:ISLAM FACT FILE. Under this FACT FILE header by the BBC, the first sentence is:Analyzer
The link you provided does not say ANYWHERE there are 2 billion muslims in the world today.
Click on it and look for yourself, it leads to that poor misled woman.
**When Christian fundamentalists when had the opportunity to rule, they subjugated their own Christian subjects and gave hard time even to their own scientists/intellectuals. There was no freedom of thought/speach. People in those days lived a life worse than the animals.so what?! Who cares how many different sects of Christianity there are! They don’t want you dead, they won’t subjugate you, or enslave you like you do to them!
This is what came up:In that link, there is a seperate column by the BBC with a header:ISLAM FACT FILE. Under this FACT FILE header by the BBC, the first sentence is:
There are two billion Muslims world-wide.
It doesn’t say there were two billion Muslims nor does it say there will be two billion muslims world-wide.
It says ‘there are’ two billion Muslims world-wide, which means presently there are TWO BILLION MUSLIMS WORLD-WIDE.
bbc.co.uk/insideout/north…ley_iraq.shtml
All believing women must cover themselves properly. It’s a misconception that only Muslim women are supposed to do that. Or there is not any rule for men etc etc.… why do muslim women have to cover their heads when they go into public?
And subjugation is still going on in the muslim lands. What is your point? As we gave that up centuries ago - one more point that isn’t even valid.**When Christian fundamentalists when had the opportunity to rule, they subjugated their own Christian subjects and gave hard time even to their own scientists/intellectuals. There was no freedom of thought/speach. People in those days lived a life worse than the animals.
Thanks to Islam/Muslim scientists and intellectuals, whose contribution/influence eventually caused West’s Renaissence. And now you are living in a sociey whose rule is free from any trace of Christianity. State and relgion are seperated ever since because of the past horrible experiance Western Christians have had from the hands of their own Christian fundamentalists in the name of God.**
For more info:
muslimheritage.com/timeline/default.cfm
Firstly, God’s final book is the bible.Salaam/peace
All believing women must cover themselves properly. It’s a misconception that only Muslim women are supposed to do that. Or there is not any rule for men etc etc.
Both men & women must lower gazes & guard their private parts .
God says in His final book that :
“Say to the believing men to lower their gazes and guard their chastity,”
“And say to the believing women to lower their gazes and guard their chastity, and let them not display of their charm - except what is apparent.” (An-Nur: 30-31)
Allah Almighty knows best.
U may read these links:
Hijab: Always A Woman’s Business?
Hijab, Why?
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544268
The Veil in Christianity
http://www.muhajabah.com/images/mary.jpg
http://www.muhajabah.com/images/nun.jpg
muhajabah.com/christianveil.htm
In the article about the Christian girl who was slaughtered in saudi arabia - I read this paragraph:I’d just like to point out that the proposal of a church in SA is meant for the primarily Christian foreign workers from places like the Philippines that are primarily Catholic. It is meant for those people who are Catholic Christians and do not have a place to pray (they can pray in their homes, but even my Saudi friends admit that sometimes the religious police will break up those meetings and mistreat the believers, too). The Vatican entered into talks with the government of KSA about possibly building the church. How this is “propagating” Christianity by going door to door or anything like that, I have no idea.
It is a lie that all Saudis are Muslims, anyway. Legally, they are of course required to be Muslims, but that is only because KSA is a discriminatory and intolerant society. And yet still people come to Christianity there, where there are no door-to-door missionaries like the ones you decry.
Maybe they are not many due to the incredibly harsh treatment they receive, but they are still there! They should still be recognized, but Saudi, the guardian of Islam’s holy sites, instead abuses them and tortures them. Foreign Christians (the overwhelming majority) are lucky if they are only expelled, and some report being tortured beforehand.
Treatment of Christians (converts and foreigners) in KSA:
Saudi Christian convert arrested and jailed
Catalogue of abuse and expulsion of foreign Christians, including for meeting in their own homes with fellow foreign Christians
Indian Christian hospital worker and others arrested, told conversion to Islam is the condition for release
More foreign Christians arrested, deported for worshipping in their own homes with other foreign believers
Saudi Christian girl mutilated and burned to death by her own father for converting from Islam (I think Sam posted it about this when it first happened about a month ago…what complete and utter depravity and cruelty)
Etc, etc.
And this is condoned by a government that claims that it respects private worship of any faith! What a bunch of nonsense.
We should all pray for the persecuted Christians of Saudi Arabia, whether indigenous or foreign. They are all extremely persecuted and endangered simply for not leaving or denying their faith. May God and all His saints protect and fortify them all.