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The link you provided does not say ANYWHERE there are 2 billion muslims in the world today.
Click on it and look for yourself, it leads to that poor misled woman.
 
analyzer,JW are not christians and I do not know about mormons but if mormons have many gods then surely they are also non christian.And If saudi arabia is not an ideal muslim country then Iran?it is a so called democratic country.And it is better if you won’t inform me about any muslim country,because I am a citizen of a moderate muslim country.Here is no sharia law but peoples are enough for showing their ferocity to Ahmaddyaa under the protection of police.Former Govt helped them while spreading violence to Ahmaddyaa because an islamic party was the ally of former Govt.And about christian missionary?who will believe you that a christian missionary can work freely in a muslim country?but we know the activities of muslim preacher.I am one of the witness in my country.So do not play word game.
 
If islam too never taught fundamentalism,violence or killing then what about the verses of Quran that clearly ordered muslims,“kill them wherever they found”?or these hadiths of bukhari taught how to kill apostates? I saw many times that the logic of muslims are too much contradictory like their scriptures!!
**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.

You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.

Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?

The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).**
 
**Muslims are not really preachng their faith (Islam) like how Christian missionaries are propagating their different brands of Chrisitianity…even going door to door such as Catholicism, Born-againism, Jehowa’s Witnesses-ism…ecc…

Non-Muslims are coming themselves to Islam.

As far Muslims countries, I don’t know what Muslim country/countries you are talking about, but if you meant by Saudi Arabia particularly, then first thing you need to keep in mind that it is a monarchy and not an ideal Caliphate required by Islam. Any monarchy is un-Islamic. So any objection towards present Saudi Arabia and it’s official system is actual towards the un-Islamic system of monarchy/kingship.

Second, all Saudi population is muslim and then (especially) in this age of information technology alongwith the excessive oil wealth, Saudis are free to go out of their country any time they want, to embrace any other faith (such as Hinduism or Buddhaism or Judaism) or even become faithless people and live there too (outside the KSA). No one is stopping them.

BTW, if Catholics are allowed to build their Churches/have missionary offices in Saudi Arabia, then do you think all the rest of *30,000 different churches/denominations/sects ***of your Christianity should not be allowed to have their places of worship /offices/missionaries too, like Mormons, JWs, SDAs??
so what?! Who cares how many different sects of Christianity there are! They don’t want you dead, they won’t subjugate you, or enslave you like you do to them!

I never heard such a poor, lame excuse in my whole life.

They won’t allow others into saudi arabia because they might see the slave trade still going on, the executions of women and others via stoning, beheading and hanging, they will get their children kidnapped like muslims are doing in so many places - but, the reverse is not true - your children won’t be kidnapped, or be tortured in some way.

The toleration that muslims demand from us is not given - and instead we hear this type of an excuse. The real reason is their koran prohibits tolerance.
 
**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.

You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.

Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?

The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).**
I will answer your one comments only because many times i answered your all comments to different posters,so I do not want to repeat.And my answer is I am not a victim of anti islamic propaganda,because there are no such thing in my country,Ya I am also a victim but a victim of islamic child abuse.And anti islamic propaganda?no one can even write a word against islam here,but it is a moderate muslim country!!
 
**Those Quranic verses and Ahadith have context/historical background too which people like you usually ignore. If they are read/understood by keeping in view the whole background/context, they are not voilent.

You are an another victim of anti-Islam propaganda.

Is it proper/fair to know/learn Catholicism from those Jews who are victims of Inquisition/holocaust or from those who in thier childhood were abused by the Catholic priests?

The Old Testament and even New Testament too is voilent and order unbelievable things. Just read your version of Bible (I don’t know which version you follow/think is the word of God/Inspired by the Holy Ghost/Spirit).**
While the same lame excuses - bringing up centuries old things that we do not practice anymore, but muslims do indeed practice to this very day - torture, slaughter, enslavement, and pediphilia.

Your own imams marry children and excuse it off because mohammed did it. We have a very big difference - our laws will take perpetrators of pediphilia and give them a trial and mete out punishment, if necessary. In islam - they just marry the children off to old men. Or if they are non-muslim, and if they are little boys they will cut off the genitilia and enslave them, if they are little girls they will start getting them sexually aroused in order to please their muslim masters.

As for who is ignoring the historical context of the books, we do not. We are fully aware that the muslims are posting the abrogated (replaced) surahs instead of the ones that apply to islam.

The surahs of the koran

a quote since muslims don’t read websites:
**"The last two chapters of the Qur’an are chapter 5 and chapter 9, in their correct chronological order, Allah’s Last Call. The opinions of scholars differ over which is the last chapter, but they both contain the final orders for all Muslims. These laws abrogate, cancel ALL the earlier, ‘peaceful and tolerant’ verses of the Qur’an. These final and absolute orders demand Jihad, holy war against all non-Muslims forever. All non-Muslims must be killed, enslaved and controlled by Muslims. Islam must rule the world. Islam is in fact a License to Kill in the name of Allah. Holy War is the holy law of Islam. This unique law called Jihad gives all Muslims the right to attack and kill non-Muslims, to loot, rape and enslave them, and to rule the world in the name of Allah. **

violence, terror and islam

an excerpt:
**"How does one, especially a Muslim, look at the increasing use of violence and terror, whether to defeat the infidel or to make better Muslims out of otherwise ordinary Muslims? “What went wrong?”, a leading western scholar of Islam has asked in the title of his latest book and that question has probably been on many minds. One might even ask whether there is anything “wrong” at all. Among the Muslims themselves a systematic examination of such questions has, however, been rare. It is as if Muslim thinking has shelved itself in a cocoon, from which it is unable to extricate in order to have a better look at Islam in a changed world.

How have Muslims reacted to some of the most recent acts of terror and violence? In most cases, in must be acknowledged, the silence was deafening. Apart from official condolences and assurances that the culprits would be brought to book, few voices have been raised against atrocities committed on innocent non-Muslims and non-observant Muslims.

Newspapers have certainly not filled with protests. People have not demonstrated in the streets, either in the country where the violence was committed or elsewhere. Massive street demonstrations to protest oppression and injustice are a normal feature of the political landscape in most non-Arab Muslim countries.

How many people took to the street in protest in Pakistan, for example, when the Christian worshippers were gunned down or when Sunni fanatics butchered Shias or when Shia extremists murdered Sunnis? Or in Kashmir, when the three women were murdered?"**
 
Analyzer
The link you provided does not say ANYWHERE there are 2 billion muslims in the world today.
Click on it and look for yourself, it leads to that poor misled woman.
In that link, there is a seperate column by the BBC with a header:ISLAM FACT FILE. Under this FACT FILE header by the BBC, the first sentence is:

There are two billion Muslims world-wide.

It doesn’t say there were two billion Muslims nor does it say there will be two billion muslims world-wide.

It says ‘there are’ two billion Muslims world-wide, which means presently there are TWO BILLION MUSLIMS WORLD-WIDE.

bbc.co.uk/insideout/north…ley_iraq.shtml
 
so what?! Who cares how many different sects of Christianity there are! They don’t want you dead, they won’t subjugate you, or enslave you like you do to them!
**When Christian fundamentalists when had the opportunity to rule, they subjugated their own Christian subjects and gave hard time even to their own scientists/intellectuals. There was no freedom of thought/speach. People in those days lived a life worse than the animals.

Thanks to Islam/Muslim scientists and intellectuals, whose contribution/influence eventually caused West’s Renaissence. And now you are living in a sociey whose rule is free from any trace of Christianity. State and relgion are seperated ever since because of the past horrible experiance Western Christians have had from the hands of their own Christian fundamentalists in the name of God.**

For more info:
muslimheritage.com/timeline/default.cfm
 
In that link, there is a seperate column by the BBC with a header:ISLAM FACT FILE. Under this FACT FILE header by the BBC, the first sentence is:

There are two billion Muslims world-wide.

It doesn’t say there were two billion Muslims nor does it say there will be two billion muslims world-wide.

It says ‘there are’ two billion Muslims world-wide, which means presently there are TWO BILLION MUSLIMS WORLD-WIDE.

bbc.co.uk/insideout/north…ley_iraq.shtml
This is what came up:
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Page not found

It seems God does not want me to view this so called page. It must contain lies, he does not want my eyes to view these lies. 😉
 
Salaam/peace
… why do muslim women have to cover their heads when they go into public?
All believing women must cover themselves properly. It’s a misconception that only Muslim women are supposed to do that. Or there is not any rule for men etc etc.

Both men & women must lower gazes & guard their private parts .

God says in His final book that :

“Say to the believing men to lower their gazes and guard their chastity,”

“And say to the believing women to lower their gazes and guard their chastity, and let them not display of their charm - except what is apparent.” (An-Nur: 30-31)

Allah Almighty knows best.

U may read these links:

Hijab: Always A Woman’s Business?

Hijab, Why?

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544268

The Veil in Christianity


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muhajabah.com/christianveil.htm
 
**When Christian fundamentalists when had the opportunity to rule, they subjugated their own Christian subjects and gave hard time even to their own scientists/intellectuals. There was no freedom of thought/speach. People in those days lived a life worse than the animals.

Thanks to Islam/Muslim scientists and intellectuals, whose contribution/influence eventually caused West’s Renaissence. And now you are living in a sociey whose rule is free from any trace of Christianity. State and relgion are seperated ever since because of the past horrible experiance Western Christians have had from the hands of their own Christian fundamentalists in the name of God.**

For more info:
muslimheritage.com/timeline/default.cfm
And subjugation is still going on in the muslim lands. What is your point? As we gave that up centuries ago - one more point that isn’t even valid.

muslim science and intelligence? Ironic. Once again - pushing something that is make believe.

believers vs unbelievers contributions

Fjordman: islam, the Greeks and the Scientific Revolution, Part 1
Part2
Part3

NAME THREE MUSLIMS WHO ARE FAMOUS FOR THEIR SCIENTIFIC CONTRIBUTIONS.

Make sure they were not forced to convert to islam, or were slaves!

The above video goes into the myths and lies that muslims concoct in rewriting history and by repeating those myths and lies. (sort of like Stalin saying - say a lie often enough and it becomes the truth - the muslims do the same). Since mohammed and Arabs were nomads - there is no science and intelligent thought that comes from those groups. They plundered, conquered the greatest civilizations and stole from them.

So, your assertions are false - as usual. Keep listening to the video - the articles by Fjordman are lengthly, but good sources to figure out that when a muslim asserts that islam has great thinkers and scientists - it is only in their own minds. They are a very huge group of people with the lowest numbers even to this day getting Nobel prizes for anything. And the muslims made a joke out of the Nobel peace prize by Arafat getting one. He was a terrorist and a liar with nothing about him being peaceful.
 
Salaam/peace

All believing women must cover themselves properly. It’s a misconception that only Muslim women are supposed to do that. Or there is not any rule for men etc etc.

Both men & women must lower gazes & guard their private parts .

God says in His final book that :

“Say to the believing men to lower their gazes and guard their chastity,”

“And say to the believing women to lower their gazes and guard their chastity, and let them not display of their charm - except what is apparent.” (An-Nur: 30-31)

Allah Almighty knows best.

U may read these links:

Hijab: Always A Woman’s Business?

Hijab, Why?

islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503544268

The Veil in Christianity

http://www.muhajabah.com/images/mary.jpg
http://www.muhajabah.com/images/nun.jpg

muhajabah.com/christianveil.htm
Firstly, God’s final book is the bible.😉
Secondly, Christian women do not have to cover their hair. But it is good if we do dress respectfully.
My personal view why Muhammad made up this rule is because he couldnt control his ‘male urges’. I think if a man cant control himself, its not my fault. We all have the choice of control or not to control our urges. We pray for the strength if we lack it, and God provides.
 
I’d just like to point out that the proposal of a church in SA is meant for the primarily Christian foreign workers from places like the Philippines that are primarily Catholic. It is meant for those people who are Catholic Christians and do not have a place to pray (they can pray in their homes, but even my Saudi friends admit that sometimes the religious police will break up those meetings and mistreat the believers, too). The Vatican entered into talks with the government of KSA about possibly building the church. How this is “propagating” Christianity by going door to door or anything like that, I have no idea.

It is a lie that all Saudis are Muslims, anyway. Legally, they are of course required to be Muslims, but that is only because KSA is a discriminatory and intolerant society. And yet still people come to Christianity there, where there are no door-to-door missionaries like the ones you decry.

Maybe they are not many due to the incredibly harsh treatment they receive, but they are still there! They should still be recognized, but Saudi, the guardian of Islam’s holy sites, instead abuses them and tortures them. Foreign Christians (the overwhelming majority) are lucky if they are only expelled, and some report being tortured beforehand.

Treatment of Christians (converts and foreigners) in KSA:

Saudi Christian convert arrested and jailed

Catalogue of abuse and expulsion of foreign Christians, including for meeting in their own homes with fellow foreign Christians

Indian Christian hospital worker and others arrested, told conversion to Islam is the condition for release

More foreign Christians arrested, deported for worshipping in their own homes with other foreign believers

Saudi Christian girl mutilated and burned to death by her own father for converting from Islam (I think Sam posted it about this when it first happened about a month ago…what complete and utter depravity and cruelty)

Etc, etc.

And this is condoned by a government that claims that it respects private worship of any faith! What a bunch of nonsense.

We should all pray for the persecuted Christians of Saudi Arabia, whether indigenous or foreign. They are all extremely persecuted and endangered simply for not leaving or denying their faith. May God and all His saints protect and fortify them all.
 
Question: how do muslims prove that the Bible was corrupted? Please show the proof of the corruption and the original Bible.

Please do NOT use the koran or hadiths to prove your point. There should be an original document, or text, that they draw this assertion on.

Make sure to include the following:
-Exactly what passages, or chapters, were corrupted.
-Who corrupted the Bible and please don’t use a sweeping statement such as, ‘Christians and Jews corrupted the Bible’.
-provide the proof other than the koran and hadiths because they only have mohammed saying they are corrupted without giving any proof.
 
I’d just like to point out that the proposal of a church in SA is meant for the primarily Christian foreign workers from places like the Philippines that are primarily Catholic. It is meant for those people who are Catholic Christians and do not have a place to pray (they can pray in their homes, but even my Saudi friends admit that sometimes the religious police will break up those meetings and mistreat the believers, too). The Vatican entered into talks with the government of KSA about possibly building the church. How this is “propagating” Christianity by going door to door or anything like that, I have no idea.

It is a lie that all Saudis are Muslims, anyway. Legally, they are of course required to be Muslims, but that is only because KSA is a discriminatory and intolerant society. And yet still people come to Christianity there, where there are no door-to-door missionaries like the ones you decry.

Maybe they are not many due to the incredibly harsh treatment they receive, but they are still there! They should still be recognized, but Saudi, the guardian of Islam’s holy sites, instead abuses them and tortures them. Foreign Christians (the overwhelming majority) are lucky if they are only expelled, and some report being tortured beforehand.

Treatment of Christians (converts and foreigners) in KSA:

Saudi Christian convert arrested and jailed

Catalogue of abuse and expulsion of foreign Christians, including for meeting in their own homes with fellow foreign Christians

Indian Christian hospital worker and others arrested, told conversion to Islam is the condition for release

More foreign Christians arrested, deported for worshipping in their own homes with other foreign believers

Saudi Christian girl mutilated and burned to death by her own father for converting from Islam (I think Sam posted it about this when it first happened about a month ago…what complete and utter depravity and cruelty)

Etc, etc.

And this is condoned by a government that claims that it respects private worship of any faith! What a bunch of nonsense.

We should all pray for the persecuted Christians of Saudi Arabia, whether indigenous or foreign. They are all extremely persecuted and endangered simply for not leaving or denying their faith. May God and all His saints protect and fortify them all.
In the article about the Christian girl who was slaughtered in saudi arabia - I read this paragraph:

Under the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islamic law, apostasy is punishable by death if the accused does not recant. According to International Christian Concern (ICC), Saudi Arabia deported 15 Christians last month for holding private worship meetings in a house. The deportation runs contrary to recent attempts to portray the kingdom as a beacon of reconciliation among Christians, Muslims and Jews. Saudi Arabia recently hosted an interfaith conference in Madrid, when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia called for reconciliation among various religions.

Here is why all discussion by muslims, especially these saudi princes (who are the biggest funders of jihadist training in Pakistan and also fund the palestinians and hamas in the Gaza - lobbing bombs into Israel daily) is just full of donkey dung. What their intent is to demand that WE tolerate muslims while they do nothing in return. This is a very, common tactic used by muslims. They demand while doing nothing in return.

IF they were serious about religious tolerance - they would have hosted the conference in their country and allowed ALL representatives of ALL religions to attend if they wanted to attend.

In other words, this conference was probably another way for the saudi princes to get out of saudi arabia so they could behave poorly and get their protitutes and drink it up, and do other things not allowed in saudi arabia. They get tired of doing it behind their palace walls, they are probably tired of the same slave girls and boys day after day and needed a change, and sneaking around and just have to stretch their feet. And then putting on a good show of it.
 
My point was more that the Saudi govt claims only to forbid public displays of religions other than Islam, but all but the first and last of those stories concern only foreign Christians worshipping in private with other foreign Christians, yet they are routinely abused just as if they had gone out of their houses wearing Papal regalia and carrying large crosses. It’s an utter disgrace and a terrible nightmare for those poor souls who were actually decieved by the Kingdom’s lies.

There are many Saudis where I am living now, and among them I have met several who seem to have a broader view of the world han their country’s official religious orientation would suggest(probably precisely because they are not in KSA!). Are they the future of Saudi Arabia? I have no idea, but I hope at least that they will return to their home country with a better idea of the outside world, because Lord knows they do not get an accurate picture of the non-Muslim world from inside their Islamic kingdom.

As to the actual question of holding any religious tolerance conference on Saudi soil…any such conference would be a mere propaganda tool anyway, so I actually don’t think it means much that it was in another country. You can hold conferences until the end of the world for all I care, what matters is your commitment to upholding the rights of all people and the actions that accompany that commitment. The Saudi state by its very definition has undertaken no such commitment, and instead commits many, many actions that violate its stated principle of (private) religious tolerance. Too bad all the oil money in the world cannot make a lie the truth, huh?
 
Salaam/peace

Q. Does the Quran Hate People of the Book?

Why are there so many references in the Qur’an and in the Hadith of hate and destruction specifically toward Jews and Christians?

ans : Shahul Hameed

…If we read the Books of the Old Testament, we find the prophets (and through them God) making very scathing attacks on the people who defied or ignored the teachings of the earlier prophets.

For example, we find these verses rebuking the transgressions of the Children of Israel in the Book of Jeremiah 3:8–10:

“And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery, I had put her away…And again, Jeremiah 5:7-8: “How shall I pardon thee for this? Thy children have forsaken me…

**
And now listen to Jesus rebuking the Israelites of his day in Matthew 23:25-33:

“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites** :eek: :eek: :eek:

Can any sensible reader accuse God or His prophet here of hating Jews and Christians in the above verses?

If not, how then can we point a finger at God, claiming He hates Jews and Christians in the Qur’an when He is rebuking the transgressors among the Children of Israel?

And Allah knows best.

Useful Links:

Misinterpreted Verses and Hadiths About Violence

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Salaam/peace

Q. Does the Qur’an Teach Violence?

John - United Kingdom

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I hope you scholars will help me get rid of these confusions I have been having since the Sept 11 incident, especially as regards some Qur’anic verses. These verses totally contradict what Muslims say that their religion calls for peace and denounces violence.

ans. Muzammil Siddiqi

I want to assure you that we Muslims also do not hate non-Muslims, be they Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhist or followers of any religion or no religion.

The Qur’an says about the prohibition of murder, (…Take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus does He command you, that ye may learn wisdom.)

(Al-An`am 6: 151) and Allah says in the Qur’an, (Nor take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, We have given his heir authority (to demand Qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the law)) (Al-Israa’ 17: 33).

According to the Qur’an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity. (See Al-Ma’idah 5: 32)

your question is valid, then how come the Qur’an says, (kill them wherever you find them…) as it is mentioned in Surah Al-Baqarah 2: 191 and Surah An-Nisaa’ 4: 89. The answer is simple and that is, **you should read these verses in their textual and historical context. **

…but if they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression.

…do these verses give a free permission to kill any one anywhere?* These verses were revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), at the time when Muslims were attacked by the non-Muslims of Makkah on a regular basis.*

They were frightening the Muslim community of Madinah. One may say using the contemporary jargon that there were constant terrorist attacks on Madinah and in this situation **Muslims were given permission to fight back the “terrorist”. **
These verses are not a permission for “terrorism” but they are a warning against the “terrorists.” But even in these warnings you can see how much restraint and care is emphasized.

…Let me mention just a few verses from the Old Testament and New Testament and tell me what do you say about them:

… show no favor to them. (Deutronomy 7:1-2) :eek:

…you shall not leave alive anything that breathes (Deutronomy 20:10-17) :eek:

… kill every male among the little ones,… (Numbers 31:17-18) :eek:

Even in the New Testament we read the following statement attributed to Jesus saying to his disciples:

… But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence." (Luke 19:26-27) :eek: :eek: :eek:

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Allah Almighty knows best.

External Links

Islam, Muslims and Violence (Special File)

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