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Is TEC formally a province of the Anglican Communion as there is no metropolitan (though I heard your PB wanted to be Archbishop Katherine 
)? In the Catholic church, a province, by definition, has a metropolitan.
Was there ever a metropolitan in TEC (or PECUSA)? Why none today? Does this mean ecclesiology in TEC differs from the rest of the Anglican Communion.
)? In the Catholic church, a province, by definition, has a metropolitan.Was there ever a metropolitan in TEC (or PECUSA)? Why none today? Does this mean ecclesiology in TEC differs from the rest of the Anglican Communion.
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jimkhong
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I wonder if the Anglicans/ Episcopalians who officially dialogue with Roman Catholics are like their counterparts in Lutheranism? Ecumenical work seems to be almost entirely the prerogative of the most “liberal” [for lack of a better word] churches in the Lutheran communion. The most catholic in worship and ecclesiastical polity are generally the most humanistic Lutherans .
By humanistic, you mean liberal? If I am not mistaken, Church of Sweden consecrated a lesbian bishop before TEC did.
What do you mean “liberal” [for lack of a better word]? You mean the equivalent of Low Church? The dialogue group still did pretty good work until the 80’s & 90s. Do you know what became of it?
If the LCMS did not sign the JDDJ but ELCA did, does it mean that LCMS and ELCA have different ideas on what it acceptable under Justification by Faith or is the disagreement more a juridicial thing?
Or am I in the wrong thread? Don’t want to take away Dustin’s and GKC’s stage!
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Not to rehash old discussions, but the website of the ALCC makes it clear that it is an organization for promoting conversion to Catholicism.
Of course, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he was wrong about a Lutheran ordinariate being in the works, but it *may *have been wishful thinking.
Of course, that doesn’t necessarily mean that he was wrong about a Lutheran ordinariate being in the works, but it *may *have been wishful thinking.
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TEC is formally a member of the Anglican Communion. The gracious Katherine is, via a stealth mode of operation, expanding the scope of the office of the PB far beyond its original and customary realm. TEC has historically been an hierarchical Church, up to the dioceses level only; a free association of independent dioceses, ab initio, pre-dating the existence of TEC, whose association was what the form of TEC was.The PB was originally merely the eldest bishop, and the office was conceived as an administrative one. While that role expanded, over the years, the latest moves, which makes it, in effect, a form of archbishopric, relates to the current troubles. The claims that TEC is and has been a formal hierarchy, with the PB at the peak of a pyramid of authority, figured in many of the legal cases that TEC has expended around $26 million on, to retain the property of those parishes/dioceses that leave, without regard to who holds formal title to same. The latest court case, in Illinois, is not going well for TEC on this point, as it did not in the case of the diocese of SC. All too often, it did prevail.Is TEC formally a province of the Anglican Communion as there is no metropolitan (though I heard your PB wanted to be Archbishop Katherine
Was there ever a metropolitan in TEC (or PECUSA)? Why none today? Does this mean ecclesiology in TEC differs from the rest of the Anglican Communion.
There has never been a metropolitan in the TEC, To that extent, TEC’s ecclesiology and polity differ from others in the Communion. But the current regime seeks to change that. Not for nothing does the gracious Katherine sport that metropolitan crozier. Or point out that TEC has a visible presence in 16 countries. Hardly the fiefdom of a mere PB, in New York, that realm.
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If she does not fully institutionalize the change, in her tenure (and it is not merely a personal aggrandizement that is going on), the process will continue under her successor. This is a structural power grab that is part and parcel of the morphing of TEC, in many dimensions, of theology, liturgy, polity, that occasioned the St. Louis statement and the origin of the first Continuing Anglican movement. It is not going away. It is not retreating. It will be the face of the Episcopalians, hence forth. None can call their power to account. Temporally.
Says me.
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Makes me grateful for Archbishops Justin and John over here…
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Ferde_Rombola
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From your keyboard to God’s monitor.
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GKC
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As with all predictions, one waits and sees. Perhaps the Parousia will intervene.
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I’d be grateful for a plenitude of orthodox Anglican bishops, myself. None in sight.
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A question for fellow Anglicans:
Assuming (a) that we hope and work for the visible unity of Christ’s Church on Earth, and (b) that we are not crypto-Papists (to use an old and not inoffensive term!):
What would the Bishop of Rome’s role be in a reunified Latin (or indeed universal) Christendom? What is his future in a reformed and catholic Church of the West? How would Anglican ecclesiology need to change/develop/reform/be restored to accommodate this?
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Assuming (a) that we hope and work for the visible unity of Christ’s Church on Earth, and (b) that we are not crypto-Papists (to use an old and not inoffensive term!):
What would the Bishop of Rome’s role be in a reunified Latin (or indeed universal) Christendom? What is his future in a reformed and catholic Church of the West? How would Anglican ecclesiology need to change/develop/reform/be restored to accommodate this?
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aidanbradypop
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The RCC has had its fair share of shaddy Popes in the past and they have emerged from it. I pray we do the same.
They are in sight…just hard to see right now.
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Oh, I doubt she would trigger it. Just that perhaps it might intervene in the progress of TEC’s evolution, based on Someone Else’s time line.I’m not the PB’s biggest fan, but if she’s the one who triggers the Apocalypse, well… I think that might be a tiny bit of a let down!
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