Ask an Anglican/Episcopalian

[GKC]

Oh ok.

My aunt may have been this way alone but she was very much Anglo Catholic while also being very much anti Rome. I remember being at her house and she had a picture of the Blessed Mother and someone asked if she was Catholic and they got a very stern “NO”

She also did not like being “related” to the Episcopal Church either. Western NC is very much ANGLICAN and that is what you must call them.

Anglicans are variable; in some ways sometimes somewhat similar. Call me Episcopalian, I snark.

GKC

 

[aidanbradypop]

Anglicans are variable; in some ways sometimes somewhat similar. Call me Episcopalian, I snark.

GKC

I believe you would have really liked my aunt. She has been gone now for two years and I always miss her wonderful insight.

 

[GKC]

I believe you would have really liked my aunt. She has been gone now for two years and I always miss her wonderful insight.

I suspect we might have a point or two in common, some not so much.

GKC

 

[aidanbradypop]

I suspect we might have a point ir two in common, some not so much.

GKC

I remember a neighbor asked her one if Henry started her Church. She put her cig down and went to state…“that bastard started something that should have happened 1000 years before”

The Anglicans in the hills of western NC are very much still the “Church of England” type if there ever was one.

Her and I fought over Bishop Curry all the time.

Sure do miss her soul+

 

[GKC]

I remember a neighbor asked her one if Henry started her Church. She put her cig down and went to state…“that bastard started something that should have happened 1000 years before”

The Anglicans in the hills of western NC are very much still the “Church of England” type if there ever was one.

Her and I fought over Bishop Curry all the time.

Sure do miss her soul+

This is certainly the season to recall loved ones.

GKC

 

[David_Zampino]

David,

I stated “this” Episcopalian meaning myself. I cannot speak for all Episcopalians but I would not mind a united Church. Not one that is under one Bishop as in Catholicism.

Hi Dustin,

I’m not trying to be quarrelsome. And no one understands better than I (except for my friend GKC) that there is – and always has been – an extremely wide divergence of opinion within the Episcopal church and the Anglican Communion in general.

This I do know, however, having lived through more than I care to go into on a public forum, that the persecution against theological and historical orthodoxy has been going on for decades; that it has cost the careers and ministries of good bishops, priests, and deacons; and that it has caused scandal to hundreds of thousands of lay faithful.

That is not to say there are are not still faithful churches, clergy, and laity within the Episcopal church. Many of my classmates pastor such churches. But they are becoming enclaves – and they are fewer and fewer of them.

There is much good which has come from the Anglican tradition – things, honestly, many cradle Catholics don’t understand (and some don’t want to). Here’s a piece I wrote on the subject a few years ago: (GKC, this might interest you as well)

papaz.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html

I don’t despise my Anglican patrimony. I cherish it. But the fact remains that, barring a miracle, the Episcopal church is terminally ill – in most places – and much of the world-wide Anglican Communion seems to be following.

 

[GKC]

Hi Dustin,

I’m not trying to be quarrelsome. And no one understands better than I (except for my friend GKC) that there is – and always has been – an extremely wide divergence of opinion within the Episcopal church and the Anglican Communion in general.

This I do know, however, having lived through more than I care to go into on a public forum, that the persecution against theological and historical orthodoxy has been going on for decades; that it has cost the careers and ministries of good bishops, priests, and deacons; and that it has caused scandal to hundreds of thousands of lay faithful.

That is not to say there are are not still faithful churches, clergy, and laity within the Episcopal church. Many of my classmates pastor such churches. But they are becoming enclaves – and they are fewer and fewer of them.

There is much good which has come from the Anglican tradition – things, honestly, many cradle Catholics don’t understand (and some don’t want to). Here’s a piece I wrote on the subject a few years ago: (GKC, this might interest you as well)

papaz.blogspot.com/2010_05_01_archive.html

I don’t despise my Anglican patrimony. I cherish it. But the fact remains that, barring a miracle, the Episcopal church is terminally ill – in most places – and much of the world-wide Anglican Communion seems to be following.

It did interest me. You speak from the inside of things of which I have only heard rumors, but it matches. Something brings echoes of Screwtape to mind.

And as to the fate of TEC, you know my hesitation to prognosticate. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all. Not at all.

GKC

 

[David_Zampino]

It did interest me. You speak from the inside of things of which I have only heard rumors, but it matches. Something brings echoes of Screwtape to mind.

And as to the fate of TEC, you know my hesitation to prognosticate. But it wouldn’t surprise me at all. Not at all.

GKC

There are a couple of other posts which might interest you . . . the post on Catholicism and Fundamentalism and the post on Eastern Orthodoxy and the myth of the 5 Patriarchs.

Blessings, my brother. I have a great Jack McDevitt story to tell you . . .

 

[GBEnergy]

Our town in upstate New York is being considered for a gambling casino. The casino will be put somewhere in the six county region, i.e. within 30 miles. Our town has a history of horse racing going back 150 years, tourism and hospitality, and illegal casinos for much of that time. The proposed casino will bring hundreds of new jobs (union representation guaranteed), and provide financial support for both horse racing and local government (substantial). If the casino is not here, it will be no more than 30 miles from here, drawing away business and jobs. In addition to wagering on horse racing here, we have, like every other NY community, lottery outlets at every convenience store, and “Quickdraw” in the taverns. QUESTION: Should a Christian response include support for jobs and economic well being, since the gambling risks are going to happen anyway?

 

[GKC]

There are a couple of other posts which might interest you . . . the post on Catholicism and Fundamentalism and the post on Eastern Orthodoxy and the myth of the 5 Patriarchs.

Blessings, my brother. I have a great Jack McDevitt story to tell you . . .

I last saw Jack last summer. I await the tale.

Will read the other posts.

GKC

 

[Ferde_Rombola]

Our town in upstate New York is being considered for a gambling casino. The casino will be put somewhere in the six county region, i.e. within 30 miles. Our town has a history of horse racing going back 150 years, tourism and hospitality, and illegal casinos for much of that time. The proposed casino will bring hundreds of new jobs (union representation guaranteed), and provide financial support for both horse racing and local government (substantial). If the casino is not here, it will be no more than 30 miles from here, drawing away business and jobs. In addition to wagering on horse racing here, we have, like every other NY community, lottery outlets at every convenience store, and “Quickdraw” in the taverns. QUESTION: Should a Christian response include support for jobs and economic well being, since the gambling risks are going to happen anyway?

Casinos gobble up money much faster then convenience stores and race tracks. A lot of the money comes from those least able to afford it, who are chasing a dream. Casinos attract shady characters of both sexes; the crime rate will go up as well as instances of embezzlement in your area. The jobs will be low paying jobs. Wait staff will do well but not too many more. Atlantic City is said to be close to a slum today I have no personal knowledge of that but it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve been to Vegas many times. The slum begins 5 blocks from downtown.

 

[GKC]

Casinos gobble up money much faster then convenience stores and race tracks. A lot of the money comes from those least able to afford it, who are chasing a dream. Casinos attract shady characters of both sexes; the crime rate will go up as well as instances of embezzlement in your area. The jobs will be low paying jobs. Wait staff will do well but not too many more. Atlantic City is said to be close to a slum today I have no personal knowledge of that but it wouldn’t surprise me. I’ve been to Vegas many times. The slum begins 5 blocks from downtown.

Good points to ponder.

GKC

 

[Peter_J]

Well, it has to be under one bishop or another. TEC is under the PB, Anglicans under Canterbury, Orthodox under EP and Lutherans under … . (Well three out of four ain’t bad). So, if not Rome, which bishop.

“Orthodox under EP”?

Agree that Elizabeth did a good job even though her motivation was primarily religious.

Did you mean “even though her motivation *wasn’t *primarily religious”? (If so, I made the same mistake last night – wrote “I would” when I meant “I wouldn’t”.)

 

[EvangelCatholic]

The Lutheran position is that Church Orders are optional. And why the ELCA is in full Communion with Episcopalians and the Reformed.

So the validity of the Sacraments is based on Scripture as defined in the Augsburg Confession.

 

[Peter_J]

Anglicans have faithfully maintained the Catholic faith and tradition that led to the Ordinariates; the first to return.

Hmmm … you might want to brush up on history. Anglicans, and Anglican parishes, have been coming into the Roman Communion since well before the Ordinariates. (Or am I misunderstand what you said?)

 

[jimkhong]

“Orthodox under EP”?

Did you mean “even though her motivation *wasn’t *primarily religious”? (If so, I made the same mistake last night – wrote “I would” when I meant “I wouldn’t”.)

Sorry, I stand corrected there. She was personally quite religious though.

 

[GKC]

Sorry, I stand corrected there. She was personally quite religious though.

But she only marginally exerted that in terms of what her policy for the nation was, unlike Henry and his 6 Articles. The aim was an even keel for the state, and no sectarian divides, in the CoE.

GKC

 

[jimkhong]

But she only marginally exerted that in terms of what her policy for the nation was, unlike Henry and his 6 Articles. The aim was an even keel for the state, and no sectarian divides, in the CoE.

GKC

Wouldn’t that be the same for any leader we have today? Whatever your personal views are, it is the interest of the nation that counts, though you can infuse your policies with your values, including religious ones.

 

[GKC]

Wouldn’t that be the same for any leader we have today? Whatever your personal views are, it is the interest of the nation that counts, though you can infuse your policies with your values, including religious ones.

Today is not 1500-ish. When Hank said that the consecrated elements were, indeed, the very Body and Blood of our Lord, that was not to be trifled with. Not for nothing were the Six called the Whip with the Six Bloody Cords.

Elizabeth invented the via media, of which her Articles are the visible face. Normative for the clergy only, but she accounted that sufficient.

GKC

 

[commenter]

Hi Dustin,
…
There is much good which has come from the Anglican tradition – things, honestly, many cradle Catholics don’t understand (and some don’t want to)…

This Cradle does not understand a lot of it. But he does want to, and I think many others would too, if they could see truth and beauty in it. (“Lessons and Carols” nights are sneaking into Catholic parishes now; in 5 years you will find Catholic traditionalists
claiming we invented it).