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I’m sorry to the OP if this has already been asked and answered (I wasn’t able to find it).

Do you affirm the position that there is no God?

Or do you affirm the position that there is likely no God?
 
The bacterial flagellum (see basal body of Type III secretory system) and the eyeball (see photo-sensitive cells of just about any invertebrate) have been demonstrated to not be irreducibly complex. Its smaller components can function fine, howbeit different functions.
The proponents of Darwinian evolution just cannot say that the smaller components of the bacterial flagellum and human organs such as the ear and the eye can function fine on their own without providing actual scientific evidence of this.

For instance, in the case of the bacterial flagellum:

Scientists have known about the flagellum for some time. However, its structural details, which have only emerged over the last decade or so, have come as a great surprise to them. It has been discovered that the flagellum moves by means of a very complicated “organic motor,” and not by a simple vibratory mechanism as was earlier believed. This propeller-like engine is constructed on the same mechanical principles as an electric motor. There are two main parts to it: a moving part (the “rotor”) and a stationary one (the “stator”).

The bacterial flagellum is different from all other organic systems that produce mechanical motion. The cell does not utilize available energy stored as ATP molecules. Instead, it has a special energy source: Bacteria use energy from the flow of ions across their outer cell membranes. The inner structure of the motor is extremely complex. Approximately 240 distinct proteins go into constructing the flagellum. Each one of these is carefully positioned. Scientists have determined that these proteins carry the signals to turn the motor on or off, form joints to facilitate movements at the atomic scale, and activate other proteins that connect the flagellum to the cell membrane. The models constructed to summarize the working of the system are enough to depict the complicated nature of the system.


(click on image to read more)http://www.harunyahya.com/images_books/images_refuted/275.jpgAn electric motor-but not one in a household appliance or vehicle. This one is in a bacterium. Thanks to this motor, bacteria have been able to move those organs known as “flagella” and thus swim in water.This was discovered in the 1970s, and astounded the world of science, because this “irreducibly complex” organ, made up of some 240 distinct proteins, cannot


The bacterial flagellum is different from all other organic systems that produce mechanical motion. The cell does not utilize available energy stored as ATP molecules. Instead, it has a special energy source: Bacteria use energy from the flow of ions across their outer cell membranes. The inner structure of the motor is extremely complex. Approximately 240 distinct proteins go into constructing the flagellum. Each one of these is carefully positioned. Scientists have determined that these proteins carry the signals to turn the motor on or off, form joints to facilitate movements at the atomic scale, and activate other proteins that connect the flagellum to the cell membrane. The models constructed to summarize the working of the system are enough to depict the complicated nature of the system.

The complicated structure of the bacterial flagellum is sufficient all by itself to demolish the theory of evolution, since the flagellum has an irreducibly complex structure. If one single molecule in this fabulously complex structure were to disappear, or become defective, the flagellum would neither work nor be of any use to the bacterium. The flagellum must have been working perfectly from the first moment of its existence. This fact again reveals the nonsense in the theory of evolution’s assertion of “step by step development.” In fact, not one evolutionary biologist has so far succeeded in explaining the origin of the bacterial flagellum although a few tried to do so.

The bacterial flagellum is clear evidence that even in supposedly “primitive” creatures there is an extraordinary design. As humanity learns more about the details, it becomes increasingly obvious that the organisms considered to be the simplest by the scientists of nineteenth century, including Darwin, are in fact just as complex as any others.

The proponents of Darwinian evolution therefore need to refute the truth of the sound scientific evidence presented above by providing equally sound scientific evidence of their own that the bacterial flagellum is NOT irreducibly complex.

In the event that they are unable to do this, then they MUST concede that the bacterial flagellum has come into existence by being created and NOT evolved.
 
Hi **hopefully wild **, you have a lot of questions here , I hope I’ll have an answer for my simple questions and I’ll be truly thankful for your time .

**What do you believe that will happen after your life ends and what’s gonna happen with your soul ?
What was the meaning of your life, what did you live for ? **

All the best and maybe you’ll think about , you have all the time in the world to discover the Truth , to discover God even in the most tiny details of your life and surrounding nature/environment . Respectfully , AnneMary
 
Hello Friend, I see and hear God so clearly. What would it take you Personally to know and believe that there was A God? Please forgive my bad spelling. 🙂 Much love Deb
Would I take it personally? I’m afraid I don’t really understand your question.
 
have you studied ontological arguments? do you think you have a solid understanding of them? most (including myself) would find them rather complex and daunting.

plato.stanford.edu/entries/ontological-arguments/

you might enjoy reading through some of the threads in the philosophy forum. fascinating debates to be had … or enjoyed from the side lines like myself!

“A little philosophy inclineth man’s mind to atheism; but depth in philosophy bringeth men’s minds about to religion”. - Francis Bacon
I do understand that as well as all arguments for or against god. I studied philosophy heavily in school and particularly philosophy of religion.
 
For me, I started thinking about “What IF I was wrong and there really IS a heaven and a hell” If I had a choice in directions, which would I choose?

Have you ever had this thought cross your mind at any time? even Once?
Well sure, but then I also think that it could very well be that God actually would rather us use the intelligence and reasoning that he himself supposedly gave us instead of just blind faith.

“Blind faith is an ironic gift to give the creator of human intelligence.”
 
Break that up into it’s various propositions, or perhaps even put those propositions into question form, and we can deal with it piece by piece, and annihilate each part of it in sequence.

But, it’s your job to ask us questions, or make propositions, and not our job to read your “tracts”.
Um no. If you read the title of this thread I believe it reads “Ask an Atheist”, not “Answer an Atheist”.
 
I’m sorry to the OP if this has already been asked and answered (I wasn’t able to find it).

Do you affirm the position that there is no God?

Or do you affirm the position that there is likely no God?
No matter how much an atheist affirms that there is no God, or a theist affirms that it is, no one is certain. Pretended to be certain about things that have no way of being revealed is just foolish. But I do not believe in the existence of God equally as much as I don’t believe in Zeus, or santa clause or the tooth fairy. They could exist, but I wouldn’t bet on it.
 
Hi **hopefully wild **, you have a lot of questions here , I hope I’ll have an answer for my simple questions and I’ll be truly thankful for your time .

What do you believe that will happen after your life ends and what’s gonna happen with your soul ?
What was the meaning of your life, what did you live for ?


All the best and maybe you’ll think about , you have all the time in the world to discover the Truth , to discover God even in the most tiny details of your life and surrounding nature/environment . Respectfully , AnneMary
I don’t believe in a soul. So in the same respect I don’t believe in any sort of after life. I believe that after you die, “you” cease to exist. The reason that this isn’t so hard to deal with is because once you die, you won’t even know that you have died. So it’s not all that bad.
 
I have one question. Are you going to answer any of these questions?
 
I have one question. Are you going to answer any of these questions?
I actually thought he/she was doing a good job of answering our questions. I don’t agree with the answers but answers were given to most if not all the questions. If you had a question that was not answered why not just bump it up and re-ask it. I did and got an answer fairly fast. I believe by keeping a civil discourse here we have a much better chance of bringing hopefully wild to see our side of the argument than if we become uncivil an drive him/her away. Just my opinion.
 
Under certain circumstances, yes I would. If it were for the life of my child, or any child, then yes. Things of that nature.
Christ laid down his life so that all mankind could be saved. Too bad you don’t believe in Him.
 
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Break that up into it’s various propositions, or perhaps even put those propositions into question form, and we can deal with it piece by piece, and annihilate each part of it in sequence.

But, it’s your job to ask us questions, or make propositions, and not our job to read your “tracts”.

Um no. If you read the title of this thread I believe it reads “Ask an Atheist”, not “Answer an Atheist”.
Touché! 🙂

I suppose I’ll have to break up that nihilistic tripe into it’s various propositions myself, then, and toss them at you to answer.

Though, I’m really not that sure I’m that interested in GETTING answers to them, as the answers are so very obvious.

They all boil down to, “Life sucks, but life is better than no life, so I’ll do pretty much whatever keeps me alive that doesn’t make me suffer such that that suffering is preferable to killing myself.”
 
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I suppose I’ll have to break up that nihilistic tripe into it’s various propositions myself, then, and toss them at you to answer.

Though, I’m really not that sure I’m that interested in GETTING answers to them, as the answers are so very obvious.

They all boil down to, “Life sucks, but life is better than no life, so I’ll do pretty much whatever keeps me alive that doesn’t make me suffer such that that suffering is preferable to killing myself.”
:clapping: Well put!
 
I have one question. Are you going to answer any of these questions?
I have done my best to answer all the questions. I do realize that I have skipped some, but that was either because they were questions that I have already answered or because they were questions asking me to defend my beliefs, which wasn’t really the point in this thread. I’m not here to defend what I believe, I just wanted to provide insight to people who may have questions regarding what it’s like to be an atheist and things of that sort.
 
I actually thought he/she was doing a good job of answering our questions. I don’t agree with the answers but answers were given to most if not all the questions. If you had a question that was not answered why not just bump it up and re-ask it. I did and got an answer fairly fast. I believe by keeping a civil discourse here we have a much better chance of bringing hopefully wild to see our side of the argument than if we become uncivil an drive him/her away. Just my opinion.
Yes you are right. For some reason I was not displaying responses when I wrote it and I was interested in the answers. Don’t know what happened there.
 
Please understand that I never implied this directly, nor do I agree with it.
I am curious to know how you (if you have read the Bible in any depth) explain to yourself the following;
  1. Through the profits, the OT in several instances speaks of the coming of our Lord, how He would be conceived, and much of what would happen to Him in His ministry often to specifics. The documentation has been scientifically and historically verified and much of the prophecies were made over many centuries before His Birth.
  2. In the NT gospels, Jesus Himself not only knew what His purpose was but asserted just about everything including those things that would happen before His return in His Church and among His followers, from the betrayals to the sifting of wheat compared to the splintering of the Christian faiths and much more.
  3. Now, if you consider that the apostles after Jesus was crucified went into hiding behind locked doors in total fear of their lives, then a very short time later took on the ministries (He returned from the dead) He sent them on, of which they remained dedicated through the most horrid tortures, sufferings and horrible deaths imaginable. What possible explanation is there for what could have occurred to change them from total fear to such martyrdom? There can be no other explanation other than He did in fact return from the dead when and as written, witnessed by the apostles and providing enough assurance in their minds and hearts of eternal life that they were eager to spread the truth to the point of sacrificing their own lives.
Perhaps you have some explanation for these things and of course your opinion is invited. If not, hopefully you will give it further thought.
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