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MountCarmel
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Brendan - Islam, in some ways [rather like ‘Protestantism’] has no real tradition of central authority, other than the many and various interpretations of their Book(s) and main ‘historic’ personalities.
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Rozellelily
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Thanks for the response.
Sorry for the delay in replying,I didn’t know the thread was still going!
I understand and respect that this is your belief but I don’t understand how this is acceptable to you.
The Catholic religion also believes that men and women are inherently different and Catholics do not agree with the popular culture promotion of “sameness”/gender neutralness that you mentioned so Catholics and Muslims are in agreement on that.
What Catholics would disagree with though is the belief that due to those gender differences polygamy can ever be justified based on that.
In the Catholic religion the spouse with the higher sexual desire would have the same “options” (prayer and counselling,seeking medical treatment for the one with the low sex desire,practice love understanding and compassion,take up their cross,ask the partner to lift their game if the issue wasn’t medical but attitudal) regardless of whether it was the husband or the wife.
Ifs hard to fathom that someone would believe that God,the most highest and most moral,would give direct permission for a man to marry a second wife due to reasons such as menstruation,pregnancy,breastfeed etc…
A man of good character would humbly accept these times as periods of sexual abstinence,he wouldn’t be selfish or so focused on sex/his base “urges”.
If priests can go lifetimes without sex then it’s perfectly possible for “average men” to do so sometimes.
The Islamic “model” is also flawed because as far as I know it does not recognise that perhaps it is the husband (who is seeking second wife) sex drive which is disordered and not hers.
Ie:I don’t think that Islam recognises that some men (and probably some women too) are hypersexual and their sex drive is abnormal.
In this case,he should be the one who changes rather that being allowed a second or third wife.
Perhaps this allowance of extra wives comes about because it seems to me that in Islam there is a strong focus on romantic love between spouses however in Catholicism the catholic notion of love,while partly encompassing romantic love,is so much more than this.
A Catholic Marriage should be based on selfless love,doing the best for the other spouse,loving and giving like Jesus did not only when there is passion and attractiveness but also when there is none.
Ie:if your wife becomes unattractive,obese,has little sexual interest and becomes disabled or gets Alzheimer’s disease -that is “true” love.
Islam states that a man must able to provide for all wife’s equally-I’m sure that it is possible to provide for them equally financially and even with “romantic love
” and sex but can he provide for them equally with selfless true love?
No,I don’t think so because people struggle to do that with just one husband or wife!
Sorry for the delay in replying,I didn’t know the thread was still going!
I understand and respect that this is your belief but I don’t understand how this is acceptable to you.
The Catholic religion also believes that men and women are inherently different and Catholics do not agree with the popular culture promotion of “sameness”/gender neutralness that you mentioned so Catholics and Muslims are in agreement on that.
What Catholics would disagree with though is the belief that due to those gender differences polygamy can ever be justified based on that.
In the Catholic religion the spouse with the higher sexual desire would have the same “options” (prayer and counselling,seeking medical treatment for the one with the low sex desire,practice love understanding and compassion,take up their cross,ask the partner to lift their game if the issue wasn’t medical but attitudal) regardless of whether it was the husband or the wife.
Ifs hard to fathom that someone would believe that God,the most highest and most moral,would give direct permission for a man to marry a second wife due to reasons such as menstruation,pregnancy,breastfeed etc…
A man of good character would humbly accept these times as periods of sexual abstinence,he wouldn’t be selfish or so focused on sex/his base “urges”.
If priests can go lifetimes without sex then it’s perfectly possible for “average men” to do so sometimes.
The Islamic “model” is also flawed because as far as I know it does not recognise that perhaps it is the husband (who is seeking second wife) sex drive which is disordered and not hers.
Ie:I don’t think that Islam recognises that some men (and probably some women too) are hypersexual and their sex drive is abnormal.
In this case,he should be the one who changes rather that being allowed a second or third wife.
Perhaps this allowance of extra wives comes about because it seems to me that in Islam there is a strong focus on romantic love between spouses however in Catholicism the catholic notion of love,while partly encompassing romantic love,is so much more than this.
A Catholic Marriage should be based on selfless love,doing the best for the other spouse,loving and giving like Jesus did not only when there is passion and attractiveness but also when there is none.
Ie:if your wife becomes unattractive,obese,has little sexual interest and becomes disabled or gets Alzheimer’s disease -that is “true” love.
Islam states that a man must able to provide for all wife’s equally-I’m sure that it is possible to provide for them equally financially and even with “romantic love
” and sex but can he provide for them equally with selfless true love?No,I don’t think so because people struggle to do that with just one husband or wife!
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Damian
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There seems to be a discussion about Islam needing it’s own reformation, like the way christianity went through to civilize it. What is the current discussion in your world about this topic?
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