Asking for a Latin NO

[Br.Rich_SFO]

I want to write my pastor (Fr. Larry Richards) and ask him if he is interested in offering a Latin NO mass.
How do you think I should go about writing this letter?

Danke!

It is not common but is available. We had one here on Sunday evenings. The N.O. in Latin.

 

[bear06]

I remember seeing in one of the missals, or perhaps it was a hymnal, a mass with Latin chant?
What is the name of that Mass, so I can request it by name?

Adoremus Hymnal: adoremus.org/Hymnal1.html

 

[Conservative]

May I ask why would you want the Novus Ordo in Latin? Keeping the Consecration as it was eliminated questions that have puzzled many for years now. Not to mention, traveling around the world, the Mass was “universal” no matter what country you were in. That no longer exists…I know since I’ve traveled extensively and found myself at a loss in foreign countries even where I know the languages.

I believe it was Pope John Paul II (who had institued the Indult for some parishes) who used a reference term similar to “sentimental” reasons for our desire for the Tridentine Latin Mass…May not be the word so please don’t quote me but the idea was that Catholics were asking for the TLM out of sentimental remembrance. It wasn’t the language we worried about but the change in meaning via translation to vernacular. While not theologians ourselves, we all became overnight apologetics after research! Educated and growing up pre-Vatican II, I had no problem with the Latin Mass since we always followed it in English in the Missal anyway. Further, I’ve noticed more inattention by some (one girl reading a novel) during the Novus Ordo, which in the vernacular should have brought more interest/attention to the English Mass. To me, it seems more people paid attention at Mass when they had to follow it in a Missal - and we must admit that since the changes - Church attendance has significantly diminished and church closings increased…So, did the English/vernacular help at all?

 

[rtconstant]

May I ask why would you want the Novus Ordo in Latin? Keeping the Consecration as it was eliminated questions that have puzzled many for years now. Not to mention, traveling around the world, the Mass was “universal” no matter what country you were in. That no longer exists…I know since I’ve traveled extensively and found myself at a loss in foreign countries even where I know the languages.

I believe it was Pope John Paul II (who had institued the Indult for some parishes) who used a reference term similar to “sentimental” reasons for our desire for the Tridentine Latin Mass…May not be the word so please don’t quote me but the idea was that Catholics were asking for the TLM out of sentimental remembrance. It wasn’t the language we worried about but the change in meaning via translation to vernacular. While not theologians ourselves, we all became overnight apologetics after research! Educated and growing up pre-Vatican II, I had no problem with the Latin Mass since we always followed it in English in the Missal anyway. Further, I’ve noticed more inattention by some (one girl reading a novel) during the Novus Ordo, which in the vernacular should have brought more interest/attention to the English Mass. To me, it seems more people paid attention at Mass when they had to follow it in a Missal - and we must admit that since the changes - Church attendance has significantly diminished and church closings increased…So, did the English/vernacular help at all?

I would like it in Latin because first it is the normative language. Second, if widely applied it would be a return to universal practice. Finally even Rome has acknowledged that the current English translation is flawed. So I would just feel better about Latin until that is adjusted.

As to rest I’m afraid that is anecdotal (not an attack just pointing it out). My first masses were TLM’s and most people didn’t follow along with missal or did other devotions which means they weren’t paying attention. Also Church attendance was in state of decline before a Vatican II. Obviously it is more obvious this many years latter just like it is all religious communities.

TLM seems unassailable to today in reverence because only those who want to be there and are serious about are currently going. If it was the normative mass it would suffer from the same casual attendance as the NO.

Still Church membership and conversions are rapidly growing and the vast majority of those go to NO masses. So if it is the NO that is responsible for a lack attention and attendance is it also responsible for increased conversions?

Western civilization is in a state of cultural decline the Church is being impacted by this. Nothing more.

 

[Cristiano]

May I ask why would you want the Novus Ordo in Latin? Keeping the Consecration as it was eliminated questions that have puzzled many for years now. Not to mention, traveling around the world, the Mass was “universal” no matter what country you were in. That no longer exists…I know since I’ve traveled extensively and found myself at a loss in foreign countries even where I know the languages.

I believe it was Pope John Paul II (who had institued the Indult for some parishes) who used a reference term similar to “sentimental” reasons for our desire for the Tridentine Latin Mass…May not be the word so please don’t quote me but the idea was that Catholics were asking for the TLM out of sentimental remembrance. It wasn’t the language we worried about but the change in meaning via translation to vernacular. While not theologians ourselves, we all became overnight apologetics after research! Educated and growing up pre-Vatican II, I had no problem with the Latin Mass since we always followed it in English in the Missal anyway. Further, I’ve noticed more inattention by some (one girl reading a novel) during the Novus Ordo, which in the vernacular should have brought more interest/attention to the English Mass. To me, it seems more people paid attention at Mass when they had to follow it in a Missal - and we must admit that since the changes - Church attendance has significantly diminished and church closings increased…So, did the English/vernacular help at all?

The NO is a liturgy of the Church, it was expected to be celebrated in Latin and vernacular, and it is expected to be as reverent as any other liturgy (TLM or other rites). We Catholics are not to treat the NO or any liturgy (TLM or other rites) as the bastard child that has lost any hope.