Asking for suffering?

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Thanks water.

I agree you need a good S.D. I finally found an Opus Dei priest that is really good and I go to confession with now. He knows about my “cig thing”.

I am trying really, and I will prayerfully read your post again. I will get there. One step on Jacob’s ladder at a time…
 
I believe that to love God is to love so that there is nothing left, so that He will put us with people that will be like sandpaper on us. Rubbing ripping that humanness until there is no more “I” factors left. Such as I want this that I need this that. I can understand those who have written that they have a problem with their humanness, such as cigarettes, etc. I was expected to die in my childhood days and I thrived to prove my worth. I became an excellent artist, musician, Youth teacher and Maori carver.
In all these I was not satisfied, I needed more I knew that God is Love and that is all I ever wanted above my abilities. Yet as a child I wanted to go to university but God had already showered His Love on me and that was to confuse my study of psychology. I studied for 10 years at the uni and gained two degree in higher levels and still they did me no good. I had already written the words Jesus gave me to write and in the trauma of my marriage I forgot them. “If you wish to love then throw away your learned books, let me show you from the heart”.
You know, two years ago I was told by Jesus that He wished me to throw away (put into boxes literally) all my books of study, I desired to follow His wish to the kilt and gave every encyclopedia to the St Vincent De Paul group and then He asked the same of my photos of family (take them down) and then all my music books. When I did this I stood back and was so shocked at how much of a hold they had on my life. Believe me I was starving my spirit of the Love Jesus wished to bestow on me. You see I only had them for a comfort zone.
Key point If you wish to love then throw away your comfort zones (cigarettes, drink, study, and what will you have left….Jesus! It is as easy as taking on the fornication that we have we only have to say I love Jesus this much! In the next thread I will give you my pattern I use, it is called “My hearts desire”.
God bless
littleone
 
littleone said:
I believe that to love God is to love so that there is nothing left, so that He will put us with people that will be like sandpaper on us. Rubbing ripping that humanness until there is no more “I” factors left. Such as I want this that I need this that.
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Littleone, thank you so much for posting this!
Wow, I am going to be pondering this for weeks.
I love the sandpaper metaphor–especially because I am all-too aware of my many rough edges that still need sanding.
 
In God’s garden we all have a place to play, which is why there is no difference between the big and the little flower. The glory goes to the gardener, not the flower. not to the sewer or the reaper only the manager or owner. I am very open about Jesus Christ being the owner, manager; what ever and I can only see myself as a little flower. But I have a way that might help others this is my stare case to Jesus that might help.

My hearts desire
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If I am to compare myself with anything, I must compare myself with Jesus.
If I compare myself to Jesus, then I will see the truth.
If I compare myself with truth, then I will see how little I love.
If I compare myself to Love, then I know my hearts desire.
If I compare my hearts desire at all, it is in loving God
If I wish to love God, I must love all God’s creation.
If I wish to love Gods’ creation, I must start with self.
If I wish to love self then I must look after me, I am a tabernacle of God.
If I wish to be a tabernacle of God, I must cleanse me always
If I wish to keep sin away, I must keep my eyes on Jesus.
If I keep my eyes on Jesus, I will think of the spirit of God.
If I keep my eyes on the Spirit of God, I accept that God made me to His likeness.
If I am the likeness of God, I have a spiritual family.
If I have a spiritual family then Jesus is my Father, Mary is my mother, and the saints are my brothers and sisters.
If I wish to accept spiritual brothers and sisters, then I will accept all people on earth as my brothers and sisters with out compromise.
If I accept each person as my brother and sister then my love for them will not diminish it will not differ.
If my love for all those on earth does not differ then my love for Jesus would be as He wishes it to be.
If I know that Jesus wishes our love to be perfect as His is, then I will seek that which is perfect.
If I seek that which is perfect, Gods’ spirit is in my heart.
If I seek that which is perfect, then I am one with God.
If I could do anything that would allow Jesus to smile, then I would have completed my hearts desire.
I can only Love that is what the spirit of God within me tells me to do.
I will be Love in God’s creation, giving love to folly to all the little ones.
God bless
littleone
 
water said:
Have you ever asked for physical suffering for the purpose of repentance and praying for others?

If you have, how does it help you spiritually?
and if you think it is not a good idea? could you list some reasons?

Thanks - I am just curious. 🙂
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If I am bessed to be asked to suffer and I refuse then I do not loge Jesus at all.
You know I could offer all the indulgences there are I could deny myself for ever and do all the penance there ever was to do in this time on this earth and I could offer it to Jesus as my offering to Him. And if I refuse to obey Jesus wishes of me. If I offer my abilities and gain all the highest education there could ever be and give all the money to the church.
But if I do not offer my availability to Jesus to do with what HE wants then… I have done nothing, I have offered nothing.
Jesus told the people and us, that there came those who cast out demons, calmed the seas, healed the sick, …they were turned away because if we do not become available in Gods eyes, if we do not put away our own abilities, put away our own forms of love, if we do not love how Jesus loved then we covert His wish of His people to love one another the way He loved all, gave all, until in the end He asked His Father to let Him give His last breath for all. Even for you and I.
When Jesus told us to do like wise what He has done then He ment it. If I love HIm then I cannot refuse to give up all to suffer How He would wish. It is not of me but of the Holy Spirit that this would come about.

God bless
littleone
 
this passage from St Francis de Sales is in the January issue of Word Among Us (which by the way, now has a Mass supplement with the daily prayers and readings of the Mass, as well as the meditations for each day’s readings).

Ask for nothing, refuse nothing
I have a very strong desire to engrave on your mind a saying that is incomparably useful: ask for nothing and refuse nothing. Recieve what is given to you, and do not ask for what is not offered to you … . . In this practice you will find peace for your soul (cf Matt 11:29). Keep your heart in this state of holy indifference, ready to receive all that will be given you and desiring nothing that will not. In a word, desire nothing. Rather, leave yourself and all yoru affairs completely and absolutely in the care of divine providence.
If divine providence allows you to experience trials or opportunities to die for yourself, you must not refuse; accept them courageously, lovingly and calmly. If [none] . . . .come to you, then don’t desire to ask for them. In the same way, if you are given comforting experiences of God’s presence, receive them in a spirit of gratitude, recognizing that they come from God’s goodness. If you have none, don’t desire them.
 
asquared said:
Ask for nothing, refuse nothing
I have a very strong desire to engrave on your mind a saying that is incomparably useful: ask for nothing and refuse nothing. Recieve what is given to you, and do not ask for what is not offered to you … . . In this practice you will find peace for your soul (cf Matt 11:29). Keep your heart in this state of holy indifference, ready to receive all that will be given you and desiring nothing that will not. In a word, desire nothing. Rather, leave yourself and all yoru affairs completely and absolutely in the care of divine providence.
If divine providence allows you to experience trials or opportunities to die for yourself, you must not refuse; accept them courageously, lovingly and calmly. If [none] . . . .come to you, then don’t desire to ask for them. In the same way, if you are given comforting experiences of God’s presence, receive them in a spirit of gratitude, recognizing that they come from God’s goodness. If you have none, don’t desire them.
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Wow. Thank you for sharing this.
 
asquared said:
this passage from St Francis de Sales is in the January issue of Word Among Us (which by the way, now has a Mass supplement with the daily prayers and readings of the Mass, as well as the meditations for each day’s readings).

Ask for nothing, refuse nothing
I have a very strong desire to engrave on your mind a saying that is incomparably useful: ask for nothing and refuse nothing. Recieve what is given to you, and do not ask for what is not offered to you … . . In this practice you will find peace for your soul (cf Matt 11:29). Keep your heart in this state of holy indifference, ready to receive all that will be given you and desiring nothing that will not. In a word, desire nothing. Rather, leave yourself and all yoru affairs completely and absolutely in the care of divine providence.
If divine providence allows you to experience trials or opportunities to die for yourself, you must not refuse; accept them courageously, lovingly and calmly. If [none] . . . .come to you, then don’t desire to ask for them. In the same way, if you are given comforting experiences of God’s presence, receive them in a spirit of gratitude, recognizing that they come from God’s goodness. If you have none, don’t desire them.
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Thank you for that, although I’m not too sure what youmeenat the begining, (I have a strong…). I understand the rest though and can relate to it from my past, having asked for nothing because God gave me love and that was all I ever wanted. But He asked me to ask for some things I never wanted to ask for.
God bless
littleone
 
littleone said:
Thank you for that, although I’m not too sure what youmeenat the begining, (I have a strong…).
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I am quoting from Francis de Sales, the quote comes from a collection of his writings given in spiritual direction to others, in this case where he is writing to an individual who has asked his advice on the topic, so the intro probably means he is not giving general advice, but a specific response to a specific question. just my guess, I don’t know why he chose those words.
 
puzzleannie said:
I am quoting from Francis de Sales, the quote comes from a collection of his writings given in spiritual direction to others, in this case where he is writing to an individual who has asked his advice on the topic, so the intro probably means he is not giving general advice, but a specific response to a specific question. just my guess, I don’t know why he chose those words.
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Thank you for that also, I feel as though I am a real dumb one I havent read any of these books you people quote.

God bless
littleone
 
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