Asking Pro-Choicers "The Nuclear Question" by Mark Crutcher

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Should it be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely because there is genetic evidence that the child may turn out to be gay?
Yes.

Beyond manualman’s excellent answer, let me add this: you and Mr Crutcher are both missing the point. I don’t like abortion, and I don’t know of anyone who thinks of it as a fun weekend activity. I’d love to see all pregnancies successfully brought to term, and all the resulting infants properly cared for and brought up. Unfortunately, that isn’t happening. We don’t live in a perfect world; sometimes there’s no good way out of a situation. And I consider the mother more important than the child: she’s already a contributing member of society, a human person as opposed to a mere human being. This is why I want to keep the option on the table, not out of any sick desire to build myself a throne of bite-sized skulls.
Would You Support National Legislation Stating Abortion Clinics MUST Give Free Sonograms/Ultrasounds of the Woman’s Unborn Baby Before Performing an Abortion?
No. I would support them as a free option but not as a requirement.

In short, ‘nuclear questions’ my shinin’ heinie 😛
 
Yes.

Beyond manualman’s excellent answer, let me add this: you and Mr Crutcher are both missing the point. I don’t like abortion, and I don’t know of anyone who thinks of it as a fun weekend activity. I’d love to see all pregnancies successfully brought to term, and all the resulting infants properly cared for and brought up. Unfortunately, that isn’t happening. We don’t live in a perfect world; sometimes there’s no good way out of a situation. And I consider the mother more important than the child: she’s already a contributing member of society, a human person as opposed to a mere human being. This is why I want to keep the option on the table, not out of any sick desire to build myself a throne of bite-sized skulls.

No. I would support them as a free option but not as a requirement.

In short, ‘nuclear questions’ my shinin’ heinie 😛
So she is more fit and the pre-born less fit. Some are more equal then others, right?
 
Which annual reports do you mean?
Look at the source referrences in the Guttmacher Institute reports you link to. Historically, we rely on the CDC and the NIH for raw data for such studies. However, the Bush administration has suspended the publication of quite a few annual reports.

This is not limited to public health, but a wide range of subjects. For example, it now appears that government agencies have also been surpressing scientific findings that are at odds with current administration policies. To me the important issue is not rather the findings are correct (scientific findings should always be tested and challenged, that is the point of peer review), but that they were supressed.

In the case of abortion, I frankly fear the worst. We’ve had our first sustained period of stagnant and shrinking wages, and appear to be in denial about inflation in critical items like food, energy, and health care. In the tiny segments that we do have some data on, the picture is not good. For example, we can infer from applications for benefits that guardsmen and other reservists appear to have a surge in procurred abortions in their families. If we assume that, like euthanasia, financial stress is a factor in choosing death, than an increase makes sense. These families are facing dramatic drops in income during multiple, extended deployments. At the same time, we have either cut, or refused to expand, the support programs available to these families.

I cannot help but feel that the massive tax cuts that I have received at the same time, as well as being a citizen in a democracy, makes me partially responsible for these intrinsically evil acts. My wife and I have tried to address our guilt with action several ways, but prayer and reflection tells me I am not doing enough.
 
Equality doesn’t even enter into it. The unborn child is not a member of society.
It depends on how you define “neighbor”. Jesus was asked this question. You might want to read his answer.

True story. Years ago I was in my office at work and I received two calls in close succession. The first was from my doctor, confirming that, yes, I had a low survival rate form of cancer. The second regarded my son, who was a high risk pregnancy and is severely devolopmentally disabled. The principle at his elementary school called to tell me personally that they had fired his one on one aide for physical abuse.

I walked down the hall way and told my business partner I needed to go home. He didn’t argue, he just asked me if we should cancel a conference call that had taken weeks to arrange and involved a bunch of people on different continents. I asked if he could cover for me, and he agreed, but asked me to have one of the project engineers also attend to help with certain types of questions.

I walked down the hall to one such person’s office, a well educated woman in her mid thirties making what would now be a six figure salary. When I asked her to attend a conference call in the afternoon, she got a panic stricken look. She then explained to me that she had to leave work early. I must have had a twisted look on my face, because she went on to explain that she needed to spend more time with her dog. The dog had been spending a lot of time with her boyfriend and she was worried that “he might like him more than me”.

I must admit, I was briefly consumed with a feeling of rage, but then I recalled having a similiar feeling involving a cat and my sister when I was 3 or 4. I told her not to worry about it, went back to my own office, and got down on my knees and thanked God for all the blessings in my life. Including not being half way through life’s normal journey and worried about the fealty of my dog (who, BTW, has since passed, but worshipped me for no other reason than I routinely was the one to feed and walk her).

By secular standards my son could not compete with the lady in question in any the ways we normally use for gauge ‘success’. But there is no doubt in my mind that, simply by the virtue of freely giving love and being loved in return, he was and is a more successful human being.

One recurring theme in the Gospels is that all our earthly distinctions are largely meaningless. Fertilized egg, convicted felon, ruler of an empire… We are all unique creations of a God who can, and does, love us each infinitely. It is a simple rule of mathmatics that you cannot make meaningful comparisons when both terms include infinite values.
 
Perhaps that is why Jesus did not waste any time talking about it during his ministry?
First of all, we don’t have a clue whether Jesus talked about it or not, since we only have a record of a tiny fraction of the things Jesus said.

In the second place, it wasn’t much of a problem for first-century Palestinian Jews, I suspect. It’s more puzzling why the Apostle Paul never talks about it. But I don’t recall him talking about post-partum infanticide either. However, the Didache does, and the record of early Christians was clear from then on.

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First of all, we don’t have a clue whether Jesus talked about it or not, since we only have a record of a tiny fraction of the things Jesus said.

In the second place, it wasn’t much of a problem for first-century Palestinian Jews, I suspect. It’s more puzzling why the Apostle Paul never talks about it. But I don’t recall him talking about post-partum infanticide either. However, the Didache does, and the record of early Christians was clear from then on.
The Talmud (including the Mishnah–from the first centuries of the Common Era) address birth control and abortion, so it is not a modern issue.

myjewishlearning.com/ideas_belief/sex_sexuality/Overview_Judaism_And_Sexuality/Purpose_And_Meaning/Sex_Contraception_Isaacs.htm

and on abortion
caae.phil.cmu.edu/Cavalier/Forum/abortion/background/judaism1.html
 
Mark Crutcher’s new post begins by asking, “How would you like to ask the pro-choice mob a question that is guaranteed to have them jumping around like worms on a hot rock? Well, read on.” Well, read on.

Should it be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely because there is genetic evidence that the child may turn out to be gay?

MORE…

markcrutcherblog.com/index.cfm/2007/8/17/Gays-and-Baby-Killers-A-Shaky-Alliance#comments

A new study suggests political persuasions may be partially genetic in origin.

If this proves true, would you support or oppose aborting babies with a liberal genetic marker?

jillstanek.com/archives/2007/08/weekend_questio_14.html#comments
I do think the question is unfair. I’m sure that abortions have been obtained for lots of reasons that most people would find offensive. Any number of questions could be formulated this way. It becomes nothing but a loaded question.
Someone genuinely pro-choice would simply answer:

“I’d be appalled at the close-minded sickness that might lead someone to choose to abort their child out of homophobia. But I do not support the creation of any sort of ‘inquisition’ to determine what basis a woman is using to make her choice. I maintain that abortion is a decision that a woman must make by herself via her own conscience and that the government must stay out of it.”

Any pro-choice pol wouldn’t lose a thing with a response like that, even from the gay rights crowd.
I agree. Of course I have a personal opinion here. and that opinion is guided by my faith. It becomes an enormous eithical issue to me whether I can attempt to enforce that on someone who does not believe as I do. I recognize what is at stake, but the reason we CHOSE to create and live in a democracy is because we KNOW the frailties of a CHURCH-STATE system. It seems to me we are in serious trouble when we start to legistlate what others may or may not do based upon our beliefs of faith. I have known a fair number of nuns who agonize over this issue for just these reasons. I don’t take it lightly, but I am sorely afraid I cannot find a reconciled position that protects life and freedom.
 
Yes.

Beyond manualman’s excellent answer, let me add this: you and Mr Crutcher are both missing the point. I don’t like abortion, and I don’t know of anyone who thinks of it as a fun weekend activity. I’d love to see all pregnancies successfully brought to term, and all the resulting infants properly cared for and brought up. Unfortunately, that isn’t happening. We don’t live in a perfect world; sometimes there’s no good way out of a situation. And I consider the mother more important than the child: she’s already a contributing member of society, a human person as opposed to a mere human being. This is why I want to keep the option on the table, not out of any sick desire to build myself a throne of bite-sized skulls.
Wow!

Do you work for Planned Parenthood?

“Bite-sized skulls?”

Who would even think to use that analogy?!?!?
 
Should it be legal for a woman to kill her unborn child solely because there is genetic evidence that the child may turn out to be gay?
This would be an amazing question to ask the political candidates during a debate. Its possible that it could happen considering the introduction of the youtube debates where anyone can submit a question for the candidates. The Republican version of the debate is this wednesday on cnn, the Democrats already had their version of it a few months ago (this would be the interesting debate), but this question would have blown them away. If these types of debates happen again, i hope that a few people send a video on youtube to cnn with this question.
 
Here’s another great question for our Presidential Candidates, Pro-Abort Politicians or any Pro-Aborts…

There are over 1200+ Detrimental Effects of Abortion…

unfairchoice.info/unsafe.htm

Can you name me 3 other types of surgery performed exclusively on women which is “legal” and has over 1200 detrimental effects on them?

Not to mention each abortion kills a baby in the mother’s womb (Although I would not mention this last portion in a Presidential Debate or else you know they won’t ask the bolded question).

PLAL
 
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