Assault underscores tension as Congress weighs immigration reform

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LCMS_No_More:
John and Ken on afternoon drive radio here in Los Angeles are very into provoking people they disagree with
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Presumably you took notes.
 
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Lance:
No, deport him and his parents.
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Why deport him?
Yes it is relevent, the point is you cannot attack someone just because you don’t like what they are saying. If he is caught he should be charged with assault which in Illinois is a felony and can get you some hard time then after he has served his time if he is illegal deport him…
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It is not relevant because we’re talking about two completely different kinds of crimes.

Also, you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is “legal?” I guess just having a different opinion is enough? Good luck trying to deport ME!
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Also, you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is “legal?” I guess just having a different opinion is enough? Good luck trying to deport ME!
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The attribution “you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is 'legal?” is justified in what way exactly?

Moreover your reply as a whole is not flamebait how?
 
Ani Ibi:
You are expressing an opinion – as usual – about something for which you have no reason whatsoever to believe is probable. As for your qualifier being wonderful: it isn’t. Moreover it doesn’t change the fact that you have no reason to think your scenario is probable.
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I always thought that assuming the worst in others was uncharitable. I guess it’s okay for some to do that and not for others?
Exactly. Yet that did not deter you from stating a probability based on nothing.

“We”? Is that the Royal We?
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We as in all of us. Do you know whether or not Mr. Counter-Protester Victim was antagonizing and provoking the teen? Does anyone else here?

I think there’s a very good chance that he was doing exactly that in order to get a violent reaction. I’ve heard right-wing extremists do this on several occasions.
 
You want rude? Look in the mirror.
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LCMS_No_More:
How presumptuous and rude. We don’t have both sides of the story, do we?

What we know is a young latino teen attacked a counter-protester.

We don’t know what the counter-protester was doing, do we? I would no compassion if the counter-protester was provoking the teen to attack him. If he was just holding up a sign and chanting along with his band of anti-immigrant protesters, then things would be different.

Granted, assault is NEVER appropriate behavior, but I’ve heard right-wingers on the radio (KFI in Los Angeles…John and Ken like to hold right-wing rallies where they try to goad and provoke counter-protesters to violence) intentionally provoke people to get a negative reaction.
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Ani Ibi:
The attribution “you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is 'legal?” is justified in what way exactly?

Moreover your reply as a whole is not flamebait how?
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Lance said: “Deport him and his parents”

Then, in the very same post he said, “…then after he has served his time if he is illegal deport him.”

Don’t pretend that they weren’t in the same post!
 
If they are here illegally… deport them. Including thier kid.
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LCMS_No_More:
Why deport him?

It is not relevant because we’re talking about two completely different kinds of crimes.

Also, you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is “legal?” I guess just having a different opinion is enough? Good luck trying to deport ME!
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LCMS_No_More:
While I do not condone violence, I can understand the teens feelings. He probably feels that his mother and father are being attacked by these anti-immigrant protesters and got angry and thoughtlessly attacked. Not a wise thing to do to attack someone, though.

I would have expected this kind of behavior from the counter-protesters first.
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Of course you would – after all, you always expect the worst from anyone you dislike, such as people who live in the South, or people who would curtail illegal immigration.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
I always thought that assuming the worst in others was uncharitable.
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So why do you consistently assume the worst about people you have labelled “right wingers”?
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LCMS_No_More:
I guess it’s okay for some to do that and not for others?
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Are you suggesting that it is OK for you to do assume the worst about those you have labelled “right wingers”? If not, then why do you do it?
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LCMS_No_More:
We as in all of us. Do you know whether or not Mr. Counter-Protester Victim was antagonizing and provoking the teen?
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Do you? You’re the one who brought it up. You should be the one to justify bringing it up.
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LCMS_No_More:
I think there’s a very good chance that he was doing exactly that in order to get a violent reaction. I’ve heard right-wing extremists do this on several occasions.
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Which occasions? Links please. Calling people “right-wing extremists” is charitable how?

By the way, flamebait declined.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Lance said: “Deport him and his parents”

Then, in the very same post he said, “…then after he has served his time if he is illegal deport him.”

Don’t pretend that they weren’t in the same post!
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You were the one who excused this vicious assault by saying the criminal was protecting his parents.

If his parents are here illegally, they should be deported. Their son should first be tried for assault. Then, if he is also an illegal (he may have been born here) he should be deported after serving his time.

Don’t you think illegals who commit crimes should be deported?
 
Really? I always heard it was the left-wing extremists doing that.
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LCMS_No_More:
I think there’s a very good chance that he was doing exactly that in order to get a violent reaction. I’ve heard right-wing extremists do this on several occasions.
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LCMS_No_More:
Lance said: “Deport him and his parents”

Then, in the very same post he said, “…then after he has served his time if he is illegal deport him.”

Don’t pretend that they weren’t in the same post!
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The use of the word “if” is not purely conditional here. It means “because” he is illegal in the context of the sentence. Having a good grasp of the language allows me to avoid pretending. But thank you for checking.
 
Ani Ibi:
So why do you consistently assume the worst about people you have labelled “right wingers”?
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I don’t. Just those who are actually doing things that deserve criticism.
Are you suggesting that it is OK for you to do assume the worst about those you have labelled “right wingers”? If not, then why do you do it?
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See above.
Do you? You’re the one who brought it up. You should be the one to justify bringing it up.
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No, I’m asking a legitimate question. All we know is that a teen attacked a counter protester. Things like that just don’t happen at random. Why did the teen attack the other guy?
Which occasions? Links please. Calling people “right-wing extremists” is charitable how?
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You can’t link to audio from a radio show (they don’t archive their show online). Request denied.

Is the truth uncharitable? When someone’s opinion of way off to the extreme right, they’re not just “conservative” (the euphamism used by the Right for their point of view) they’re extreme right-wingers. What else would you have them referred to as?
By the way, flamebait declined.
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Cute.
 
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LCMS_No_More:
Why deport him?

It is not relevant because we’re talking about two completely different kinds of crimes.

Also, you’d deport a person whether or not you know a person is “legal?” I guess just having a different opinion is enough? Good luck trying to deport ME!
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Don’t try to be a wise acre, you know I said in my 1st post that if his mother and father are here illegally they should be deported. If he is legal and a minor dependant of theirs he should be deported along with them unless he has someone here who would become his guardian and support him until he becomes of age(perhaps you would like to do it). If he is legal, when he is 18 he could return here without his parents if he wished to do so.
 
vern humphrey:
Of course you would – after all, you always expect the worst from anyone you dislike, such as people who live in the South, or people who would curtail illegal immigration.
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Come on Vern, you know we are all gun totin’, racists, uneducated, toothless rednecks. 😉
 
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Lance:
Don’t try to be a wise acre, you know I said in my 1st post that if his mother and father are here illegally they should be deported. If he is legal and a minor dependant of theirs he should be deported along with them unless he has someone here who would become his guardian and support him until he becomes of age(perhaps you would like to do it). If he is legal, when he is 18 he could return here without his parents if he wished to do so.
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Regardless of whether he or his parents are legal or illegal, he should be arrested prosecuted and punished for this assault. I expect he would be 18 by the time he got out of jail – so if he’s legal, he can stay. If he’s not a citizen, we certainly don’t want violent criminals remaining in this country.
 
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