Assignment BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE. HELP!

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hey i have a religion speech due soon. im in year 11. i chose the topic
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE
im finding it rather hard to gather info that i can easily understand so id like to see some of your views and any info you may know. thankyou so kindly. HANNAH
 
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hannahj:
hey i have a religion speech due soon. im in year 11. i chose the topic
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE
im finding it rather hard to gather info that i can easily understand so id like to see some of your views and any info you may know. thankyou so kindly. HANNAH
Adversity tests character. There are some scriptural passages that deal with this…a loving father chastizes his son, etc. If I find them, I’ll be back.
 
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miguel:
Adversity tests character. There are some scriptural passages that deal with this…a loving father chastizes his son, etc. If I find them, I’ll be back.
Why Bad Things Happen to a Good God

For one who is struggling to understand why bad things happen in a world created by a good, all-powerful God, I recommend the following book by Rabbi Harold Kushner, When Bad Things Happen to Good People. It’s not what I believe to be the Catholic answer, but it may help prepare to better understand the Catholic answer. It helped me.

Then I recommend the book by Protestant writer, C.S. Lewis, called The Problem of Pain (C.S. Lewis Classics)

Both of the above books are very short and inexpensive, but very good.

Then I recommend this article from This Rock magazine: “WHY BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO A GOOD GOD (This Rock: May 1998)” by John Dowling.

I also suggest God’s Answer to Suffering , by Peter Kreeft.

In summary, I think the answer is that LOVE is so amazing, that REJECTION, PAIN, and SORROW are worth risking and enduring. Anyone who has ever been truly in love should be able to understand this.

God bless,

Dave
 
The prophet Malachias used the expression of refining gold and silver in the fire (3:3)…but there are a lot of versus in the Bible that tell of trying the good people “as through fire,” take for example Job - he lost everything!
 
well, i have a thought, this isn’t exactly the Catholic perspective
as much as a personal observation…

God tried giving people perfect lives, free of pain and suffering…
you see how long that lasted…

maybe if Adam and Eve had been required to ‘work’ their way to paradise, they would have appreciated what they had more…

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hannahj:
hey i have a religion speech due soon. im in year 11. i chose the topic
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE
im finding it rather hard to gather info that i can easily understand so id like to see some of your views and any info you may know. thankyou so kindly. HANNAH
HannahJ,

If you want a really Catholic perspective I would point you towards the Apostolic Letter Salvifici Doloris. It’s kind of heavy going, but gives you the straight scoop.

vatican.va/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/hlthwork/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_11021984_salvifici-doloris_en.html

The gist of the Catholic perspective, if I have it straight, is that by our sufferings God is allowing us to help in the redemption of the world. You’ll find a reference to it in Colossians 1:24–which is also the first reference in the Apostolic Letter. It’s an extremely high calling.
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And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
Romans 8:28

This verse has kept me through some very bad times. I know that everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason becomes clear, and sometimes not. But I know that graces and blessings come from suffering. I know that whatever suffering I endure now will be nothing in Heaven. I also know that every thing that has ever happened to me in my life (good and bad) has helped to create the person I am today.

I can also look back on some events that I would rather not have occured, but I know because of them, a chain of events unfolded that the gifts were beyond measure.

It’s about trust. It’s about submission to God’s will. Even Christ Himself submitted Himself to His Father’s will. As did Mary. It’s about faith, that God is working in your life, even though it seems that you have been abandoned.

We can offer our suffering for the intentions of other people. We can make our suffering a prayer. We can accept our suffering in union with Christ who also suffered.

We can look forward to everlasing life when there will be no suffering.

Arlene
 
There are many places in Scripture where God speaks about the suffering of mankind, but the ultimate example of Catholic thought rests in Jesus, himself. The Catholic Church was founded on the belief that Jesus Christ was the long awaited Messiah. He was not a warrior king, as the Jews had anticipated, but rather, was a good man. A perfect, holy man, born in a lowly place and having no worldly trappings of His true stature. He was not a scholar, and was not not even a member of the clergy of His own people. But He was learned, and very wise, and people listened to Him and followed Him. Then, after performing many miracles in order that these people might believe, He told them He would offer Himself up as a living sacrifice, to atone for sin and to free us that we might join Him in everlasting life. At hearing this, the people began to question Him, and despite all the good that He had brought to them, when He said that they must eat His body and drink his blood, many left, altogether.( John 6). At His trial, the people chose Barrabas, a murderer, over this innocent man, even His own devoted followers betrayed Him, and He was sentenced to die a cruel, merciless death. But…after He was buried, He rose from the dead and was seated at the right hand of God.

The Church sees Christ’s victory over death as God’s ultimate statement about the status of this world and its sufferings: it is transitory, it is a place of testing and hardship, and that we can do anything, as long as we keep our eyes on the prize (everlasting life) and ask His mercy and strength through prayer throughout our long, and sometimes difficult journey. In Jesus, we have the ultimate example of sacrifice and courage, and His Passion in the Garden of Gethsemane speaks volumes about how God’s people should deal with even the worst of all misfotunes: to die solely for one’s love for God. Christ is allowed to rage against the unfairness of it all, for that is thoroughly human, but in the end, He makes the choice all believers are asked to make: Thy will, Lord, not mine.
I hope this might help you in your essay
 
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hannahj:
hey i have a religion speech due soon. im in year 11. i chose the topic
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE
im finding it rather hard to gather info that i can easily understand so id like to see some of your views and any info you may know. thankyou so kindly. HANNAH
I highly recommend this book.

There are No Accidents: In all things Trust in God

Interview with Father Benedict Groeschel, CFR, by: John Bisbop
 
Why do “bad” things happen to good people?

Ok, let’s see. Who were the best people? Jesus and Mary. Jesus was brutally tortured and executed. Mary watched her only Son be brutally executed and tortured in the prime of His life. That’s pretty “bad.”

But we all know that infinite good came from this “bad.”

Suffering may just be the easiest way to Heaven. So maybe, just maybe, in the end, good things do happen to good people.🙂
 
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hannahj:
hey i have a religion speech due soon. im in year 11. i chose the topic
BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO GOOD PEOPLE FROM A CATHOLIC PERSPECTIVE
im finding it rather hard to gather info that i can easily understand so id like to see some of your views and any info you may know. thankyou so kindly. HANNAH
Hi Hannah,

You really chose a great topic. I would like to share some thoughts that I wrote after my son became seriously ill and underwent a liver transplant. Please pardon the length of this, but maybe it contains some thoughts you can use:

It seems incongruous to speak of darkness and pain as gifts from a loving, merciful God. What kind of God, it is often asked, could permit such unspeakable tragedies to befall those whom he loves? Here again, our feelings rise up against our traditional belief in the eternal goodness of God, a notion many of us have accepted unquestioningly since childhood. It is natural to view pain and misfortune as punishments, or at least as evidence of God’s absence, even among sincere believers — many of whom will find they can no longer believe when confronted with a personal horror that seems to contradict their understanding of love. My own experience, however, although passing through the same feeling of betrayal, has led me to the opposite conclusion — that the darkness and suffering we encounter in life are actually evidence of the divine presence, indeed the very proof of God’s love and mercy.

It begins in the garden, where man and woman were created in the image and likeness of God — which is to say, endowed with intellect and free will, two capacities absolutely necessary in order to truly love. Have we not been taught that love, after all, is the essence of the divine nature? To be devoid of intellect would render one incapable of understanding love; and to have no freedom in the matter would make love nothing more than mere compulsory instinct. Humanity was created from love, in order to love. Without these two qualities, humanity could not reflect the divine essence.

Yet in their freedom, man and woman chose to trust in their own understanding, rather than to trust in the wisdom and goodness of their Creator. The “fall of man” was thus an act of pride, a refusal by man to acknowledge any higher authority than himself, a self-imposed exile from the loving will of God. By choosing himself, man acted against love (which by nature can never be self-centered) and cut himself off from God, the all-loving provider upon whom man depends for his life. Imagine an infant who refuses to recognize his dependence on his parents for sustenance, and insists that he doesn’t need their wisdom, care, or authority. Screaming with hunger which he cannot satisfy, lying in his putrid diapers overflowing with excrement — yet through it all refusing to acknowledge his dependence on the one who gave him life — such is the condition of man at the fall.

A loving God sees the pathetic plight which his beloved creation has imposed upon himself. Man, in choosing to be his own god, is no longer capable of attaining the destiny for which he was created. Were God to force man into submission and obedience, however, he would effectively strip his creation of its divine resemblance — the freedom to love as he loves. The only hope, the only salvation, for his self-focused creature is to recognize its utter dependence on God and return to him in trust. God will not compel humanity to acknowledge its dependence on him, but will invite our voluntary return by reminding us, time and again, of that dependence.

From my own experience, I know that when the events of my life are falling smoothly into place according to my liking, I do not consider myself very dependent on divine providence. If anything, I tend to feel more secure in my own self-reliance, more convinced that my own wisdom and abilities are sufficient for my well-being. Subconsciously, I reject my own need for salvation, and the God of love cannot abide such a senseless loss. God desires our salvation intensely — even more than we ourselves do — but not because it can add anything to his already infinite majesty. He desires our holiness for our sake alone — “that my joy may be yours, and your joy may be complete.” And so it is out of love that God gives us suffering, in order to shatter the self-reliant pride that keeps us from recognizing our need for him. The acknowledgment of our total dependence on God is the necessary precondition of faith, the “good soil” of which Jesus speaks in the parable of the seed, that enables us to receive the salvation he offers us. If he were not to remind us of this dependence, he would in effect be allowing us to drift into damnation — and that kind of god would not be the God of love.
 
Don’t forget that God doesn’t make the bad things happen, but He does give us the grace to deal with them when they do happen. And that’s a very comforting thought! ❤️
 
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